Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (45 Viewers)

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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You’re right actually about the FDA not addressing prescription but only basic efficacy and safety. So I am wrong there on off-label use being illegal.

But that’s because I’ve been biased by many people I know who work in pharma, because there suggesting off-label use is illegal, I.e.:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_of_off-label_use
meh, still open yourself to litigation should the result not go in the patients favor
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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It’s like the study in France of the malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, which Trump keeps saying is a miracle drug he might take even if doctors don’t tell him to. :lol:

The study had no control group and was of patients with mild Covid-19 who all generally recover anyways. It was also led by that Dr Raoult guy who in January said Covid-19 wasn’t concerning at all, and not a serious danger, the product of bored minds looking for something to worry about. And in February said he doubted it would cause a significant increase in pneumonia deaths in France. He also tried to argue (after criticism of study) that the smaller the group size of a clinical test, the more significant the result:sergio:

https://www.france24.com/en/2020032...dy-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

Some info on Dr Raoult, who Trump, Giuliani, Navarro and others keep referencing his studies when promoting this drug.

https://www.les-crises.fr/who-is-fr...hment-rebel-or-unethical-megalomaniac/#ancre6

The drug may end up being shown to be effective once the proper large scale studies underway now are finished, but no thanks to quacks promoting it as a universal panacea with little to no evidence yet.
 
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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It’s like the study in France of the malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, which Trump keeps saying is a miracle drug he might take even if doctor’s don’t tell him to. :lol:

The study had no control group and was of patients with mild Covid-19 who all generally recover anyways. It was also led by that Dr Raoult guy who in January said Covid-19 wasn’t concerning at all, and not a serious danger, the product of bored minds looking for something to worry about. And in February said he doubted it would cause a significant increase in pneumonia deaths in France. He also tried to argue (after criticism of study) that the smaller the group size of a clinical test, the more significant the result:sergio:

https://www.france24.com/en/2020032...dy-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

Some info on Dr Raoult, who Trump, Giuliani, Navarro and others keep referencing his studies when promoting this drug.

https://www.les-crises.fr/who-is-fr...hment-rebel-or-unethical-megalomaniac/#ancre6

The drug may end up being shown to be effective once the proper large scale studies underway now are finished, but no thanks to quacks promoting it as a universal panacea with little to no evidence yet.
No control? That’s a classic collection bias case.

Even randomized control trials suffer from randomness, ie:
https://xkcd.com/882/

And here there wasn’t even a control! :lol:
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Reading the study, the conclusion doesn’t match the data and analysis.
A mask (even the diy ones) limits the spread when you cough and therefore lowers the risk for others to catch the virus, that's good enough for me.

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The RKI released an app for fitness armbands/smart watches.

"The algorithms behind the app detects symptoms associated with coronavirus infection, these include, for example, an increased resting pulse and a change in sleep and activity behaviour. The donated data will be used exclusively for scientific purposes. After careful processing, the data flows into a map that visually represents the distribution of potentially infected persons up to the postcode level. This map should be regularly updated and published on this website."


How many use fitness armbands? And how many of them are gonna download the app? Pointless.
 
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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You’re right actually about the FDA not addressing prescription but only basic efficacy and safety. So I am wrong there on off-label use being illegal.

But that’s because I’ve been biased by many people I know who work in pharma, because there suggesting off-label use is illegal, I.e.:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_of_off-label_use

The problem is that basic efficacy and safetey depend on the medical condition of the patient. Blood thinners may be perfectly safe and even necessary for certain people, but give them to a hemophiliac and the end result may not be pretty. They're not a particularly good idea for healthy people who don't need them either.

Randomly giving people antimalaria medicine does not seem very prudent.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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There are different types of transmission, it definitely keeps the droplets inside when you are infected without knowledge and sneeze or coof
The funny part is, inner side of most masks were tested negative, so I don’t know where masks keep those droplets.

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I get that 4 seems low, but this is not a drug trial. The main difference between those 4 is how they cough. How different do people cough from each other?
 
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lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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The funny part is, inner side of most masks were tested negative, so I don’t know where masks keep those droplets.
maybe soaked into the fabric or maybe they tested wrong or not enough, maybe tests were faulty, or maybe they are right and and the paradigma on masks switches for the 8547th time

Factually South Korea and Hong Kong had success with these simple anti droplet masks

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