Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (60 Viewers)

[Seven]

im all for universal health insurance in the states.

Anyone who is honest and knows how insurance works knows that single-payer healthcare is the only way healthcare can remain affordable.

This pandemic will change how we think about certain things imo. As a society we're providing 85 year olds with the best healthcare possible, as long as they are rich. Unfortunately 85 year olds are going to die anyway and they will die soon. You're just prolonging the inevitable. As harsh as it sounds a lot of money that is spent on old people, who will die soon whether or not you cure whatever current illness they have, should be spent on young people.

 

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[BayernFan]

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[Bjerknes]

Getting naked is trivial in itself, but it represented a gross over-consumption point of travel: that people were so bored sh*tless with the commodification of everybody traveling everywhere that the only way they could top themselves for FOMO attention was to splay their gonads on holy mountains and fook on temples.

This apex moment paralleled the peak Dot-com 1.0 before the bubble for me. I remember standing on the balcony of some dot-com company, watching workmen removing the entry doors so they could wheel a Porsche into the office. The idea was that every 20 new employee referrals would give away the key to the new Porsche in a draw.

That moment told me right then and there: this has peaked, this is not going to end well.

I had the same experience when influencers and the like got naked on tourist sites as the only way to top their commoditization of these places that they basically acted like they could wipe their asses with them.

But yeah, AirBnB is about gentrification. All great ideas seem to turn to crap with scale. When people started managing 47 AirBnB units and not calling it a hotel, it was beyond bogus and just a way of escaping regulations and taxes. But the more AirBnBs in a neighborhood, the less the locals can afford them. And the less locals, the less the local shops (markets, etc.) cater to them instead of selling tourist crap. This guts the very neighborhoods of the very culture that made them attractive to tourists in the first place.

Where do you see the travel industry heading in the next 5, 10 years after this pandemic is over (hopefully)?

 

[Post Ironic]

I hate the insurance system in this country, but those companies are not doing anything wrong WITHIN the rules of the system. They report a massive loss this year and shareholders will demand that they offset it next year. And I’m pretty sure they will get away with it.
I was living in Texas in 2017 when hurricane Harvey hit the state, and even though it primarily hit Houston area my homeowners insurance spiked 80% the year after. It happens on all disasters.

And this illustrates the entire issue with for-profit, privatized health care. The rules and very nature of it place the health and well-being of the nation’s citizenry far down the list of priorities.

 

[Seven]

And this illustrates the entire issue with for-profit, privatized health care. The rules and very nature of it place the health and well-being of the nation’s citizenry far down the list of priorities.

Not to mention the effect this in itself will have on the economy.

You'll have young people who survived covid 19, but are faced with hospital bills or have long lasting effects (if their lungs are that damaged, something tells me they'll have scar tissue). And these people have to recover within an economy that is suffering, because everything has been brought to a standstill.

Honestly I'm surprised (albeit in a good way) that no one is mentioning the very real possibility that this will bring out the worst in people and cause war.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Not to mention the effect this in itself will have on the economy.

You'll have young people who survived covid 19, but are faced with hospital bills or have long lasting effects (if their lungs are that damaged, something tells me they'll have scar tissue). And these people have to recover within an economy that is suffering, because everything has been brought to a standstill.

Honestly I'm surprised (albeit in a good way) that no one is mentioning the very real possibility that this will bring out the worst in people and cause war.

I wouldn't say war. Nah, that's a bit too much since everyone has the same enemy at this point.

But while majority focuses on the disease itself, I think a much bigger threat hides not behind war, but behind economic meltdown that's yet to follow. I think we can expect big countries to totally shut down their economy in the upcoming weeks, even the US, which is gonna collapse everything. People will lose not only their savings but jobs too. The impact is gonna be a lot bigger than the one in 2008.

 

[Bjerknes]

And this illustrates the entire issue with for-profit, privatized health care. The rules and very nature of it place the health and well-being of the nation’s citizenry far down the list of priorities.

Is there a guarantee that actual costs will come down with a shift to centralized, or single-payer system in the US? The government can impose price ceilings for everything, but that doesn't drive any efficiency for various reasons. Look at higher education -- 10 years ago when I was in college my tuition was like 10k a semester. Now it's 20k. Government loans and grants have only caused massive inflation despite having a market that is saturated with institutions.

 

[Seven]

I wouldn't say war. Nah, that's a bit too much since everyone has the same enemy at this point.

But while majority focuses on the disease itself, I think a much bigger threat hides not behind war, but behind economic meltdown that's yet to follow. I think we can expect big countries to totally shut down their economy in the upcoming weeks, even the US, which is gonna collapse everything. People will lose not only their savings but jobs too. The impact is gonna be a lot bigger than the one in 2008.

Jeez, I think there was an instance in which a country revitalized its economy through a nationalistic war effort. But which was it again?

 

[Dostoevsky]

Jeez, I think there was an instance in which a country revitalized its economy through a nationalistic war effort. But which was it again?

It was always the case. But I just don't see war happening this time but rather de-globalization and changing the system with a huge shift of political and economic power.

 

[Seven]

It was always the case. But I just don't see war happening this time but rather de-globalization and changing the system with a huge shift of political and economic power.

And you think power shifts are going to happen softly?

 

[Ronn]

Did Spanish flu result in a power shift?

 

[Bjerknes]

Jeez, I think there was an instance in which a country revitalized its economy through a nationalistic war effort. But which was it again?

Broken windows fallacy.

 

[Dostoevsky]

And you think power shifts are going to happen softly?

No, once it starts happening I see it happening fast. I think economic meltdown will shrink plenty of countries will others will rise. The situation for this is rather perfect as even borders are pretty much closed. I also expect many companies to bring business back in their country.

 

[Post Ironic]

Is there a guarantee that actual costs will come down with a shift to centralized, or single-payer system in the US? The government can impose price ceilings for everything, but that doesn't drive any efficiency for various reasons. Look at higher education -- 10 years ago when I was in college my tuition was like 10k a semester. Now it's 20k. Government loans and grants have only caused massive inflation despite having a market that is saturated with institutions.

Oh please. The costs on the average citizen will absolutely come down. Only the rich will pay more. Of course it will take time given lack of familiarity with creating an efficient and effective universal public health care system, but your system doesn’t provide for a huge percentage of your population already, so the cost of your current system isn’t a true measure of the cost of privatized health care.

Just because you are a corporate, for-profit, privatized everything shill, doesn’t mean everyone is. My health care system doesn’t cost me or anyone a dime out of pocket and everyone has access to it. Taxation pays for it, like it should, as an equalizer, and the vast majority of Canadians get more than what they put in through taxation.

Your country has such health problems because you have a shit public education system and a shit health care system, that combine to create a huge population of under educated and uncared for people. But the right in ‘Murica doesn’t care, because fuck the poor, they’re just lazy SOBs trying to game the system.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Fuck the PRC, i am down with any measure to bring those red fucks to their knees

 

[Ronn]

I read somewhere that people deal with disasters the same way they deal with grief: in 5 stages. Y'all gotta get out of this anger stage.

 

[duranfj]

I hate the insurance system in this country, but those companies are not doing anything wrong WITHIN the rules of the system. They report a massive loss this year and shareholders will demand that they offset it next year. And I’m pretty sure they will get away with it.
I was living in Texas in 2017 when hurricane Harvey hit the state, and even though it primarily hit Houston area my homeowners insurance spiked 80% the year after. It happens on all disasters.

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Fuck the PRC, i am down with any measure to bring those red fucks to their knees

IMO that's just wishful thinking. In some decades we are going to be first row spectator of how they become the clear leaders in the world.

 

[Bjerknes]

Oh please. The costs on the average citizen will absolutely come down. Only the rich will pay more. Of course it will take time given lack of familiarity with creating an efficient and effective universal public health care system, but your system doesn’t provide for a huge percentage of your population already, so the cost of your current system isn’t a true measure of the cost of privatized health care.

Just because you are a corporate, for-profit, privatized everything shill, doesn’t mean everyone is. My health care system doesn’t cost me or anyone a dime out of pocket and everyone has access to it. Taxation pays for it, like it should, as an equalizer, and the vast majority of Canadians get more than what they put in through taxation.

Your country has such health problems because you have a shit public education system and a shit health care system, that combine to create a huge population of under educated and uncared for people. But the right in ‘Murica doesn’t care, because fuck the poor, they’re just lazy SOBs trying to game the system.

No reason to get upset, I was simply asking a question. For some reason the typical model of supply and demand is suspended when discussing healthcare, and I'm not sure why. I'm open to other ideas, but I need to ascertain the costs and benefits in a language I can understand. If we are going to do something like that here, then a lot of things need to be cut. Then again, seems like the only remedy for everything is printing money, so why not just do it for everything.

 

[Post Ironic]

No reason to get upset, I was simply asking a question. For some reason the typical model of supply and demand is suspended when discussing healthcare, and I'm not sure why. I'm open to other ideas, but I need to ascertain the costs and benefits in a language I can understand. If we are going to do something like that here, then a lot of things need to be cut. Then again, seems like the only remedy for everything is printing money, so why not just do it for everything.

That’s simply not true. There are effective, universal public health care systems in almost the entire first world outside America. The cost in taxes can be high as fuck for all I care, a healthy, well-cared for populace is a happier, more satisfied, more productive populace. And yes, health care should be a basic human right.

Your country spends some $2000 more per person on heavily privatized health care than any other nation in the OECD, while millions still go without. So let’s call a spade a spade. Private health care is shit.

 

[Ronn]

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