Claudio Ranieri (57 Viewers)

[Stephan]

Are inter that strong like people try to make them?

I think they have a fairly old squad just like some others, its just that other big clubs are either not consistent (roma) or are still rebuilding (us).

Id say Inter have a big squad, but i dont think they are as strong as some try to label them. Aside from Zlatan, who really is their other great, fantastic game winning player???

Watching inter-manu makes it even more obvious how "bad" inter are compared to other big clubs in europe. Inter were lucky not to loose at home. Manu was all over them.

Inter have many aging players and soon they need to start replacing them (Zanetti, Figo, Viera).

Sure Serie a is getting better, but right now its still not that good, i mean inter can afford buying flops like Quaresma and Mancini and still lead the league.

 

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[only-juve]

Are inter that strong like people try to make them?

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Inter "ALWAYS" sucked. It's not an issue of the quality of their players even back in the days of Ronaldo, vieri and the rest of that team they were really poor. Inter's problem is a mental one not a quality one. Inter as a club don't have a strong personalty (something "thank god" we always had).....

 

[Hambon]

Are inter that strong like people try to make them?

I think they have a fairly old squad just like some others, its just that other big clubs are either not consistent (roma) or are still rebuilding (us).

Id say Inter have a big squad, but i dont think they are as strong as some try to label them. Aside from Zlatan, who really is their other great, fantastic game winning player???

Watching inter-manu makes it even more obvious how "bad" inter are compared to other big clubs in europe. Inter were lucky not to loose at home. Manu was all over them.

Inter have many aging players and soon they need to start replacing them (Zanetti, Figo, Viera).

Sure Serie a is getting better, but right now its still not that good, i mean inter can afford buying flops like Quaresma and Mancini and still lead the league.

Zlatan went through JUVE Boot camp thats why he is badass...

Inter "ALWAYS" sucked. It's not an issue of the quality of their players even back in the days of Ronaldo, vieri and the rest of that team they were really poor. Inter's problem is a mental one not a quality one. Inter as a club don't have a strong personalty (something "thank god" we always had).....

its all mental baby...

 

[Cronios]

"Mental" may be enough to make the difference, but not enough to make miracles. As Inter is proving all those years...
Inter are a losers team. They do have have the material to compete with the bests out there. Manure and Barca atm are the worlds very finest! It doesnt mean that Inter is bad team and certainly doesnt mean we are any place near them. Their subs are better than our starters. Yes, some of them are getting old, but Jose will have about 100mil to spend, so i doubt we have any chance to catch up.

Our only hope is not to let them maximize their difference from us.
Inter always had more and better subs than we did, but they coulnt face our first eleven, because we were as tough/good as they were (if not better) and being competitive enough, the mentality of our champions could make the difference.

Right, the percentage of those difference players in our starter formation has been greatly reduced and boards seems to worry more of our subs in the offense, rather than the overall quality of our teams starters.
Thats the only thing that keeping us bellow the highest levels and to return this thread on topic, the incompetence of our coach, due to cowardly. He is afraid to risk playing the scheme and players we need to at times,
he is getting panicked and his lack of coolness makes him unable to make the correct on the spot decisions. Thats why his subs suck so much and he orders our team to fall back and lose wins/points when we will lead/dominating...

 

[- vOnAm -]

Vonam, i honestly dont understand what exactly are you defending here and what do you want to say. You admit the mistakes of our management, but you seem to defend the concept behind them. I think you want to say, that those "gents" had a solid plan, but it was poorly executed.
For one thing we can be certain, that it was poorly executed. The timing and the way they handled every single detail, proves how amateur they are.

In short, yes Cronios, that is what I am saying. I can understand the boards summer strategy, but we did a poor job of executing. Nonetheless, I don't think we did terribly in the second season in serie A.

And regarding Xabi Alonso, we could have pushed for him and I am very upset that we didn't spend on him. I can only think we really didn't have enough resources without selling Tiago.

Instead we bought a backup to Sissoko.

Again, I never denied poor execution, just believed Ranieri actually had a long term transfer strategy for this. And his team building skills are not poor.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Are inter that strong like people try to make them?

I think they have a fairly old squad just like some others, its just that other big clubs are either not consistent (roma) or are still rebuilding (us).

Id say Inter have a big squad, but i dont think they are as strong as some try to label them. Aside from Zlatan, who really is their other great, fantastic game winning player???

Watching inter-manu makes it even more obvious how "bad" inter are compared to other big clubs in europe. Inter were lucky not to loose at home. Manu was all over them.

Inter have many aging players and soon they need to start replacing them (Zanetti, Figo, Viera).

Sure Serie a is getting better, but right now its still not that good, i mean inter can afford buying flops like Quaresma and Mancini and still lead the league.

Inter is strong, but mentally they have always been weak, Ibra has a stronger mentality from his time here IMO. But I think deep down, many of them know that Inter only became strong via Juve's demotion and also Milan's penalized season which took away 1 season of improvement.

That's why they seem to be less consistent and confidant in Europe, I mean as bad as we were in CL when we dominated Serie A, Inter is just worse.

But also remember, Inter lost to Man Utd, who really have the best squad in europe with Barca challanging. So you can't say they aren't that strong.

Julio Cesar (best goalkeeper at the moment), Cambiasso, Cordoba and Maicon (game winner) are a strong backbone behind Ibra. Add Zanetti's experience and versatility and you have a solid squad. I believe those are the real stars of the team perhaps u can include Stankovic and Chivu.

The rest are still solid players who don't just fill the bench. They really needed a winger/creator this season, and their disastrous transfer was probably the main reason they lost in CL.

 

[Cronios]

In short, yes Cronios, that is what I am saying. I can understand the boards summer strategy, but we did a poor job of executing. Nonetheless, I don't think we did terribly in the second season in serie A.

And regarding Xabi Alonso, we could have pushed for him and I am very upset that we didn't spend on him. I can only think we really didn't have enough resources without selling Tiago.

Instead we bought a backup to Sissoko.

Again, I never denied poor execution, just believed Ranieri actually had a long term transfer strategy for this. And his team building skills are not poor.

I see, i remember you were a logic and objective member, so i expected no less from you

Considering all the mistakes and the handicap he wad to face, i also agree that our players have performed very well.
But looking at the future, when our remaining champions will no longer be with us, to make the difference i am worried, that those mistakes and the future mistakes our board will commit, will not let us to reach our announced target and rightful place.

Therefore, i do hope that those 3 youngsters will be proved as good as their talent promises. Our old boards legacy, will save our future!
Because this board seems incapable of bringing a real champion, let alone a whole load of them to replace our old guard
and most important, for the places we actually need them and with the order, their signing would have an optimal effect...

 

[JCK]

I am still intrigued to know what is the board's personal agenda.

 

[Snoop]

You're talking about competition for the 1st place. There isn't one. I'm talking about the overall quality in the league. Obviously the top 3 teams lack quality to fight with the English, as for all the others, the league isn't weaker than it was back in 2005 and 2006.
Denco was actually downplaying the quality of the mid-table teams while in reality they are even better than they were 4 years ago.

If you also think that the smaller teams were stronger back then, i'd like to hear your explaination why is it that you think that way.

I was talking about the competition for the first place (in which like you said there isn't one), and for the CL spots. Milan and Juventus we have as the second level, maybe Roma too. But all these 3 teams are weak. Not good enough to compete in CL. As for the small teams, I don't agree with Denco at all, there is huge competition among the small teams and for the UEFA cup spots (the quality of each teams are close to others), but these teams doesn't mean that they are good, or have the quality to compete with other teams in Europe. The sad thing is, we are making Inter look like a huge team comparing to others in serie A, but we saw what Inter is exactly in CL, that's the sad part, that's the main reason that convinced me how bad is this league, when that sad pathetic Inter of CL dominates the Serie A easily..

I am not blaming anyone or anything, the old great serie A doesn't exist anymore, this is the truth. There are very few stars or quality players in serie A, and most of them are over-aged players, or past their best.

Edit: Speaking of small teams, I agree with you, I actually think the opposite of what Denco claimed, smaller teams are much better than they were 5 or more years ago, but the bigger teams, you can't deny that it is the opposite, as Inter being exception. Milan, Juve, Roma, Lazio are not like before. Even Fiorentina (remember they had legends like Rui Costa and Batistuta). This big teams make the league more quality imo, and not the smaller teams.. Heck not to forget, we even had great team like Parma of Cannavaros Thurams Buffon Almeyda and Buffons, you can't find these kind of players in mid table teams in Serie A these days..

Serie A is not as strong as it once was thats for sure. But i don't think serie A is "miles" behind the english and specially not the spanish la liga. The top 4 teams is serie A is not as strong as they once were but the rest of the league are pretty good.

IMO serie A was declining even before the calciopoli (with the bankruptcy of parma, lazio, fiorentina and the financial problems that hit Roma) The final nail in the coffin was the calciopoli.

Currently there is a new fresh start for the italian game and i think things looks pretty encouraging. I read somewhere that this summer italian clubs were the second highest spenders in europe 80 mil euros shorter than the EPL (clubs in italy haven't spend that much since 2000-01 season). It might take a while but if nothing bad will happen in the next few years (another calciopoli or clubs get bankrupt) then things IMO will get better and clubs will start to win again in europe.

Possible, maybe, but as for this year and the past few years, they image was that bad, don't know if next years will be better or worse, or if the league is in rise, but I still insist that this year and the past few years, Serie A was miles behind the other two. Serie A teams need to bring young and the best players and make them stars, they keep bringing old players, that won't help the future of this league..

 

[Alen]

Snoop, i'm thinking of banning you for even trying to compare this poor excuse of a great football league with the serie A from the 1990's and early 2000's.
There never was and there never will be a league as strong as serie A in those days. :smile:

Super strong Juve and Milan, amazing Lazio and Parma, Inter with stars like Ronaldo or Vieri, Fiorentina with Rui Costa and Batistuta, very strong Roma, fantastic Sampdoria in the early 90's that almost won the CL. There were 7-8 teams that could easily compete and do great in the Champions League. The Italians had all the money, bought all the players, had the best teams. The English now, even though they're the richest by far, can only dream about having such a strong league as serie a was back in those days. It's a criminal to even think about comparing this serie A with that old one.

 

[Snoop]

True that, the golden age of Serie A. I didn't meant to go that earlier thou lol, try 5 to 6 years earlier, things were much better then.

Think about it this way, Italians are getting weaker year by year, and the English getting stronger year by year. They have 4 super teams, they have rich Manchester city, and they have the likes of Tottenham, Newcastle who have the potential (weirdly they don't perform), and many good teams like Aston Villa, Everton, West ham, Portsmouth and the likes. Today's EPL is not that far from early 2000's of Serie A, don't underrate EPL that much.

 

[Guardian]

I see, i remember you were a logic and objective member, so i expected no less from you

Considering all the mistakes and the handicap he wad to face, i also agree that our players have performed very well.
But looking at the future, when our remaining champions will no longer be with us, to make the difference i am worried, that those mistakes and the future mistakes our board will commit, will not let us to reach our announced target and rightful place.

Therefore, i do hope that those 3 youngsters will be proved as good as their talent promises. Our old boards legacy, will save our future!
Because this board seems incapable of bringing a real champion, let alone a whole load of them to replace our old guard
and most important, for the places we actually need them and with the order, their signing would have an optimal effect...

I agree here I've been following this team since I was a schoolboy in the early 90's , that makes more than 15 years. Juve had always had a great transfer policy, they signed relatively unknown players who were developed into big players and that was the MAIN reason for liking them. In contrast, the other big teams like Milan, Inter, Napoli and later Roma, Lazio, Parma were signing expensive players and spending big money, while Juventus was probably the only team with a positive transfer balance from them all. The revenues exceeded the expenditures. How many people remember it?

I mean Zidane was bought for 4M and then sold to Madrid for 66M euro! And then you have Inzaghi who arrived at Juve for less than $10M and later he was sold to Milan for $35M. These two transfers financed the deals for Nedved, Buffon, Thuram etc.
But that's not all. Vieri, Dino Baggio, Peruzzi, Ravanelli were bought for cheap and all of them were valuable players and after few seasons at the club they were sold for good money. For instance Vieri cost Juve less than $1M and later he was sold to Atletico for approximately 11M pounds.
And how many of you remember the beautiful story of Torricelli. From a simple woodworker and semi-professional player he turned to one of best backs in Europe, and probably of of most underrated. Juve got him from an amateur team. And Marc Juliano who was bought for $300 K? Paolo Montero, the hard tackler, who was my fav player imp: at that time and he was Zidane's best friend, he also was unknown before joining Juventus.

Thanks to their very good transfer policy and great scouts net, Juve was probably the most consistent team in Italy and Europe and by contrast with the glamorous free-spending Milan, Inter, Roma they always had a good balance, while the mentioned above survived only thanks to their fishy owners, while other teams,which were free-spending, like Parma, Napoli, Fiorentina and Lazio went ar almost went bankrupt because of their improvident and short-sighted policy.

This was the main reason for liking Juve, they were the good guys, the were the Moreno Torricelli of Serie A and Europe.

And now we have Secco the pretty boy, I wish he was as talented as the previous managerial staff

 

[Alen]

True that, the golden age of Serie A. I didn't meant to go that earlier thou lol, try 5 to 6 years earlier, things were much better then.

Think about it this way, Italians are getting weaker year by year, and the English getting stronger year by year. They have 4 super teams, they have rich Manchester city, and they have the likes of Tottenham, Newcastle who have the potential (weirdly they don't perform), and many good teams like Aston Villa, Everton, West ham, Portsmouth and the likes. Today's EPL is not that far from early 2000's of Serie A, don't underrate EPL that much.

No, i'm certanly not underrating it. I can see the huge potential. But the English don't have that advantage the Italians had back then. English football was banned from Europe for some 5 years and it took them even longer to stand back on their feet after that. Spain had only Real and Barcelona (now there are at least 2-3 more spanish teams who have good and quality players and who can invest money in the market) and Germany had Bayern.
Italians had absolutely no competition from England, very little competition from Spain and Germany and they could buy all the best players.

Now teams like Inter and Milan, teams like Barcelona, Bayern and especially Real Madrid, can spend a lot and even allow a bidding war with the English, so they can "steal" some great players. Back in the old days all the best ones went to Italy. That's the only reason why i think that no other league will be as strong as serie A was back in the days, which of course doesn't mean that EPL can't get at least close to that quality.

 

[Snoop]

That is true, but I think it's only Barcelona and Real Madrid who are competing the EPL league in terms of transfers. If you look at Inter, they don't have the likes of Messi, C.Ronaldo etc.. As stars, they only have Zlatan, and that's our fault (Remember what Moggi said about the Zlatan transfer, that he wouldn't allow that to happen). Even Inter can't buy the bests in the market, those will prefer Man utd, Chelsea, Real or Barcelona. The Italian system is the most one to be blamed about this, like you mentioned months ago about the tax system, well with high taxes like that, they (clubs) can't do anything about it.

 

[CalcioJuventus]

That is true, but I think it's only Barcelona and Real Madrid who are competing the EPL league in terms of transfers. If you look at Inter, they don't have the likes of Messi, C.Ronaldo etc.. As stars, they only have Zlatan, and that's our fault (Remember what Moggi said about the Zlatan transfer, that he wouldn't allow that to happen). Even Inter can't buy the bests in the market, those will prefer Man utd, Chelsea, Real or Barcelona. The Italian system is the most one to be blamed about this, like you mentioned months ago about the tax system, well with high taxes like that, they (clubs) can't do anything about it.

I dont think Inter are as inept at luring stars as you suggest. Especially with Mourinho at the helm. I can see lots of players wanting to join them. They did sign 2 big names stars over the summer in Quaresma and Mancini... no one could have predicted what happened with them though. Last season Lippi came out and said if there was one player he would sign if he returned to coach a big club it would be Quaresma.

Last summers tranfers inter made flopped but I think they will lose some of their high salary superstars who don't play (Crespo, Matrix, Vieira, Cruz and Figo will retire) and will replace them with new younger stars.. i doubt we will get lucky again and see all their transfers flop for a second time.

I think Inter could easily land Tevez or Kun given their financial strength and Argie core. Plus some EPL stars seeing that they have Mourinho and he can attract top EPL talent ...

 

[Red]

And we will do nothing except recall Almiron and make the Knezevic deal permanent...

 

[HelterSkelter]

And give Ranieri an extension...

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

yo sallyman, how's shit in lahore? heard something about some protests?

 

[CalcioJuventus]

And we will do nothing except recall Almiron and make the Knezevic deal permanent...

I am sure those are the 2 things we will NOT do

At least we are on the right track by looking at players like Silva, Diego and what not.

Could you imagine if we signed Diego when we came up from Serie B instead of Almiron .. my god

 

[HelterSkelter]

yo sallyman, how's shit in lahore? heard something about some protests?

Yeah the Lawyer's long march,to make the government reinstate the deposed Chief Justice.And the lawyers got what they wanted.