del piero is the symbol of true football and the passion and loyalty associated with it. CR7 is some phuckin showboy, he's overrated and a big game flop
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CR7 is no longer a big game flop IMO, although he isn't yet able to raise his game for the big ones like DP normally does, but he certainly doesn't flop in them.
DP is a champion in every way possible, but his star will fade, certainly sooner than CR7.
There will b a time when our youth will be our new flag bearer, soon. But as long as DP can still produce magic, I don't think we should question his influence.
DP is a champion in every way possible, but his star will fade, certainly sooner than CR7.
There will b a time when our youth will be our new flag bearer, soon. But as long as DP can still produce magic, I don't think we should question his influence.
They are 34 and 36/37 respectfully while the ones I mentioned are 23 or less and you are bringing past glories into it.
We are not talking about a 24 to 31 year old player, we are talking about a 34 year old. It is not possible for him to play 38 influential matches in a season.
I do not want to be unkind to in my view the greatest player in Juventus history but he looked slow and ponderous in the 2 matches against Chelsea because he is 34, nothing to do with his ability.
He should not be carrying the club on his 34 year old shoulders, a much younger person should be the go to guy with DP's job made so much less as he should not be playing in midfield, trying to win balls from opponents and carrying the burden of creativity, heck younger players do not have that responsibility so why should an older person be?
Quite what Ronaldo's showing off and whether he would have stayed with a team relegated has got to do with this discussion, I have no idea but the fact is that the so called show pony has played in over 90% of United's games in the past 3 seasons and has won 2 premiership titles, 1 cl, scored 42 goals in a season, scoring in the final, won the world club cup, carling cup, leading the premiership, semis of the fa cup, quarters of the cl.
Did I mention that he is 24?
Barcelona are breaking goal scoring records and most will tell you that if Messi is not playing or playing well, they are a different team even with all those stars in their squad.
Did I mention that he is 22?
United will not be in the frame of winning 5 cup this season if the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Neville were allowed to play in all their matches not because of their quality but because age catches up with everyone.
We are not talking about a 24 to 31 year old player, we are talking about a 34 year old. It is not possible for him to play 38 influential matches in a season.
I do not want to be unkind to in my view the greatest player in Juventus history but he looked slow and ponderous in the 2 matches against Chelsea because he is 34, nothing to do with his ability.
He should not be carrying the club on his 34 year old shoulders, a much younger person should be the go to guy with DP's job made so much less as he should not be playing in midfield, trying to win balls from opponents and carrying the burden of creativity, heck younger players do not have that responsibility so why should an older person be?
Quite what Ronaldo's showing off and whether he would have stayed with a team relegated has got to do with this discussion, I have no idea but the fact is that the so called show pony has played in over 90% of United's games in the past 3 seasons and has won 2 premiership titles, 1 cl, scored 42 goals in a season, scoring in the final, won the world club cup, carling cup, leading the premiership, semis of the fa cup, quarters of the cl.
Did I mention that he is 24?
Barcelona are breaking goal scoring records and most will tell you that if Messi is not playing or playing well, they are a different team even with all those stars in their squad.
Did I mention that he is 22?
United will not be in the frame of winning 5 cup this season if the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Neville were allowed to play in all their matches not because of their quality but because age catches up with everyone.
For me I am not so sure as I feel that they are least equal in terms of overall quality.
In defence, Liverpool probably just edges it even if most of the participants are of more or less equal quality.
In the midfield I will have to give Juventus the slight edge but Alonso and Masherano are perhaps a breed apart with Gerrard now more or less a forward so I am not including him but the likes of Nedved, Sissoko, Zanetti, Camo, Tiago, Poulsen and Marchisio have nothing to feel inferior to Lucas, Rieria, Benayoun and Babel.
Forwards Torres and Gerrard are world class but Juventus' contingent of DP, Giovinco, Iaquinta, Amauri and Trez are superior to what Liverpool have to offer imo.
But it could be argued either way of course
In defence, Liverpool probably just edges it even if most of the participants are of more or less equal quality.
In the midfield I will have to give Juventus the slight edge but Alonso and Masherano are perhaps a breed apart with Gerrard now more or less a forward so I am not including him but the likes of Nedved, Sissoko, Zanetti, Camo, Tiago, Poulsen and Marchisio have nothing to feel inferior to Lucas, Rieria, Benayoun and Babel.
Forwards Torres and Gerrard are world class but Juventus' contingent of DP, Giovinco, Iaquinta, Amauri and Trez are superior to what Liverpool have to offer imo.
But it could be argued either way of course
Channel4.com translated Ranieri's words ahead of the Roma game:
Juventus tactician Claudio Ranieri is delighted with the way his team are progressing ahead of Saturday's date with Roma.
The Bianconeri are currently in second place, seven points shy of leaders Inter but five ahead of Milan in third.
Ranieri knows that failure to beat Roma in the capital may effectively end Juve's title hopes, but he is happy with the way his men are playing.
“I am happy that we are still seen as title contenders, even if we know that only one side can lose the Scudetto now,” the ex-Parma man said.
“We have so much to build on and we are just looking to keep improving in all aspects.
“We need to stay realistic. Last year we would have been happy to get into Europe and so booking a Champions League place was fantastic.
“And this year we are having another superb campaign, but we aren't satisfied because that's Juve's nature. If we are 10 out of 10 we want 11.”
Ranieri is expecting a tough test against Roma, in spite of the Giallorossi's injury problems.
“It will be a different Roma side but that doesn't mean they will necessarily be weaker,” he warned.
“The public have shown how they can charge the side as they did against Arsenal.
“We will have to be the best Juventus possible if we are to come out on top.
“Will Sebastian Giovinco play? I won't say because I will think about that on the eve of the game.
“I think he is in form now and we saw what he is capable of against Bologna where he exploded. Now he just needs to stay grounded.”
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And they blame me for not expressing my opinion on media bullshit, look at this translation and laugh. What is he grounded from? Playing TV games or eating candy?
Juventus tactician Claudio Ranieri is delighted with the way his team are progressing ahead of Saturday's date with Roma.
The Bianconeri are currently in second place, seven points shy of leaders Inter but five ahead of Milan in third.
Ranieri knows that failure to beat Roma in the capital may effectively end Juve's title hopes, but he is happy with the way his men are playing.
“I am happy that we are still seen as title contenders, even if we know that only one side can lose the Scudetto now,” the ex-Parma man said.
“We have so much to build on and we are just looking to keep improving in all aspects.
“We need to stay realistic. Last year we would have been happy to get into Europe and so booking a Champions League place was fantastic.
“And this year we are having another superb campaign, but we aren't satisfied because that's Juve's nature. If we are 10 out of 10 we want 11.”
Ranieri is expecting a tough test against Roma, in spite of the Giallorossi's injury problems.
“It will be a different Roma side but that doesn't mean they will necessarily be weaker,” he warned.
“The public have shown how they can charge the side as they did against Arsenal.
“We will have to be the best Juventus possible if we are to come out on top.
“Will Sebastian Giovinco play? I won't say because I will think about that on the eve of the game.
“I think he is in form now and we saw what he is capable of against Bologna where he exploded. Now he just needs to stay grounded.”
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And they blame me for not expressing my opinion on media bullshit, look at this translation and laugh. What is he grounded from? Playing TV games or eating candy?
You may have a point but Milan and Inter are doing the same thing.
Even the Italian national team does it. In Italy they do not seem to trust the youth and depend more on the older guys.
@JCK where you abused or molested as kid or something? Is that why on here you want constant attention?
Well you have mine now as you have been asking for it for a long time so now that you have my attention what is it that you want and please do not say disgusting as there are lots of dictionaries online that you can use in place of disgusting like revolting, repulsive, repellant etc.
Even the Italian national team does it. In Italy they do not seem to trust the youth and depend more on the older guys.
@JCK where you abused or molested as kid or something? Is that why on here you want constant attention?
Well you have mine now as you have been asking for it for a long time so now that you have my attention what is it that you want and please do not say disgusting as there are lots of dictionaries online that you can use in place of disgusting like revolting, repulsive, repellant etc.
Let me get this straight you have taken years to tell everybody that cares to listen that you find me to act as if I won the damned place, that I am a superior being, insult me even when i choose to ignore you and when I finally ask what your problem is, you wanna know my age?
Do you really think that when I said you have my attention I was talking about civility? You think that for 1 second that I will discuss even a modicum of my private affairs with you?
There are some ppl on here that I will answer that question for but not in any way shape or form are you 1 of those people so let me try this again what the hell do you want?
Do you really think that when I said you have my attention I was talking about civility? You think that for 1 second that I will discuss even a modicum of my private affairs with you?
There are some ppl on here that I will answer that question for but not in any way shape or form are you 1 of those people so let me try this again what the hell do you want?
A midfield consisting of Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherrano for me is a world class midfield. I don't believe such quality exists in Juve's current midfield. Tiago, Sissoko, Marchisio and Poulsen are not match for the above mentioned players. I also don't think Marchionni and the current Nedved are any better than Kuyt and Riera. The latter two are by no means top players, but Nedved is obviously past it and Marchionni is well Marchionni.
In attack Torres is currently better than any striker Juve have to offer. Of course all 4 Juve strikers are better than Zhar, N'Gog and even Babel when he plays as a striker. I'd say Juve's attack is better, as you guys have 4 quality strikers in your ranks while they only have Torres, the rest are average or too raw.
In defense, Chiellini is better than any defender Liverpool has, but thats pretty much it for Liverpool. Mellberg is no match for Agger, Skrtel or Carragher. The same can be said about Legro. Arbeloa and Grygera are both average fullbacks, can't choose between the two, but Arbeloa is of course having a better season. Theres no comparison between Moli and Aurelio, the latter is a top fullback that's extremely underrated. He's definitely been one of Liverpools top performers this season.
In attack Torres is currently better than any striker Juve have to offer. Of course all 4 Juve strikers are better than Zhar, N'Gog and even Babel when he plays as a striker. I'd say Juve's attack is better, as you guys have 4 quality strikers in your ranks while they only have Torres, the rest are average or too raw.
In defense, Chiellini is better than any defender Liverpool has, but thats pretty much it for Liverpool. Mellberg is no match for Agger, Skrtel or Carragher. The same can be said about Legro. Arbeloa and Grygera are both average fullbacks, can't choose between the two, but Arbeloa is of course having a better season. Theres no comparison between Moli and Aurelio, the latter is a top fullback that's extremely underrated. He's definitely been one of Liverpools top performers this season.
