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Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
If buying Alonso was a priority, we could make it.
But instead we wasted 80%of our funds and time to seal the pre-arranged Amauri deal... 5 more mil. would have been enough to lure in Alonso and fund Pool's plans for Bary. But we failed miserable to sell Almiron or Tiago to produce them.
IMO this is unacceptable, i have never ever seen Juve being abused like that, by her very own players...
Tiago's incident of locking Gigli to the toilets really proves a whole lot of things...
Those ppl are incompetent and should be removed asap.
Their incompetence actively affects our transfer plans, more than our prestige, financial power, long term plans/vision etc etc

I cannot accept that we buy the players our incompetent board can, rather than the players we need. If they cant get the job done, why do we insist with them???

Vonam, i honestly dont understand what exactly are you defending here and what do you want to say. You admit the mistakes of our management, but you seem to defend the concept behind them. I think you want to say, that those "gents" had a solid plan, but it was poorly executed.
For one thing we can be certain, that it was poorly executed. The timing and the way they handled every single detail, proves how amateur they are.

Personally, i dont believe that their plan was good from the very beginning,
thats why i was opposed to our transfer strategy from the very beginning.
IMHO our youngsters should be trusted more, imho they did not exceeded expectations, but they are rather underused/rated. Those fellows are a special, gifted generation and we should not compare them to past, failed experiments and their competition with our past, long gone ultra competitive squad.

For example, i did believed in Marchisio, i never hoped that CR would give him the chance to become a starter though, but i did believed that he can offer as much, as someone like Poulsen.
I keep seeing Poulsen as a great strategical+tactical mistake. We already made two mistakes there and i dont understand why we insist that much to make even more.
The center of our midfield was overcrowded. We are throwing away our Paro's, Blasi's and Nocerino's, players who should only be used as depth, 3rd choice subbers, because they were never talented enough to be used as stars to a future Juve, totally ignore the presence of the very talented Marchisio. Also ignore our needs of a creative spark in the center of our midfield.
Disrespect our needs for the future and our supposedly plan, to build a strong competitive Juve. Only to bring the limited DM Poulsen....
Whytf did we do that??? I cant understand how can anyone defend this transfer, that opposed 90% of our interests, it gave us no practical tactical advantage, which was supposed to be the reason we got him in the first place,
it ruined our financial and squad depth chances to get someone better in the future, further overcrowding an incredibly stacked position,
a strategical mistake that adds nothing to our future plan and instead dictates, our future transfer plans and choices.
For what??? For the shake of it?? Only because we failed to make a proper transfer and we had to make one, just for the shake of it...
Our boards is also lucky that CZ missed the season again, due to injuries,
if he was available, Poulsen would be even more useless to our cause now.

As for his strategical use/importance, i ask again;
If we were planning to sign a better player than Poulsen, in the near future, to partner Sissoko and only use Poulsen as a sub to our future competitive team. Then what were our plans for our current subs, Zanetti, Almiron, Tiago, Marchisio???
To retire/sell/loan them?? And what happens if they "refuse" to leave, as they did this year??:melayyanandmessi: Shouldnt we first decide what to do with them and then seek out their replacement??

Why do they keep insisting on adding more central midfielders and forwards, when our persistent problems all these years, is in our wings and defense????
When are we going to fix that?? Why dont we invest there and bring free players where we are already covered?

Our board and their decisions are laughable, i have nothing more to add.
I am really sorry for the ones who cant, or they dont want to see it.
Soon or later they will have to admit it themselves, soon or later, they will run out of excuses, no matter how hard they try to ignore the facts.
 

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Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
Our original plan re midfield was to sell Tiago & Amiron, but as we all know, it could not be executed for already mention reasons. I still think sooner or later those 2 will be offloaded on permanent base so we will have only Zanetti, Poulsen, Marchisio and Momo. I just hope we shall get top quality LM, and dare i say either RM or new RB.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Our original plan FAILED! And we tried to repair that mistake by committing another one?
In the mean time, we keep ignoring our real needs and priorities, only to make more excuses for the mistakes of our board.
That kind of tactics def dont work for our benefit, but to their own personal agenda...
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,901
While i do admit that there were many many mistakes done in the market, especially regarding the central midfield, and i do admit that Poulsen wasn't really needed here, i do disagree with you Cron when you underrate him, because Poulsen is a very good CM/DM.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
Our original plan FAILED! And we tried to repair that mistake by committing another one?
In the mean time, we keep ignoring our real needs and priorities, only to make more excuses for the mistakes of our board.
That kind of tactics def dont work for our benefit, but to their own personal agenda...
What is their personal agenda?
 

Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
I think CR has nose for good players, but problem lies mainly with Secco in executing those ideas..


interesting little article


Claudio Ranieri reveals why he signed Frank Lampard over Michael Carrick

By Paul Smith, sundaymirror.co.uk

15/03/2009

Claudio Ranieri has revealed he was forced to choose between signing Frank Lampard or Michael Carrick for Chelsea in 2001.

Ranieri wanted to sign both from West Ham and build his midfield around the pair. But former owner Ken Bates refused to sanction the £19million deal and told Ranieri there was only enough money to sign one.

Ranieri opted to sign Lampard for £11m and the England star has always maintained he was indebted to the Italian for taking a gamble on him and help turn him into one of the best midfielders in Europe.

On Tuesday, following Chelsea's 2-2 draw with Juventus in Turin, Lampard made his way to Ranieri and handed him his shirt.

Lampard said: "It was the least I could do. I have a great deal of time and tremendous respect for him.

"I will always be in his debt after he took a chance on me by signing me from West Ham."



But even Lampard wasn't aware Ranieri (below) was forced to choose between him and Manchester United star Carrick.

Ranieri said: "Frank Lampard gave me his shirt which was a very nice gesture. He is a great player and it was easy for me to see that he was young and destined to be a champion.

"When I paid £11m for him people were surprised, but how much is he worth now?

"At the time I signed him I wanted to sign Michael Carrick as well.

"We only had the money to sign one so I had to make a decision which one to buy.

"I think I made the right choice signing Lampard."
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
This was our 2005-2006 squad..
Goalkeepers

Christian Abbiati
Landry Bonnefoi
Gianluigi Buffon

Defenders

Fabio Cannavaro
Robert Kovac
Jonathan Zebina
Federico Balzaretti
Giorgio Chiellini
Pereira Gladstone
Domenico Criscito
Gianluca Zambrotta
Lilian Thuram

Midfielders

Patrick Vieira
Emerson
Giuliano Giannichedda
Marco Marchionni
Pavel Nedved
Mauro German Camoranesi
Ruben Olivera

Strikers

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Marcelo Zalayeta
Valeri Bojinov
Alessandro Del Piero
David Trezeguet


In comparison with this squad to our current squad we have and injury crisis we are going through.. Ranieri is doing a decent job. Don't you think so?
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
Goalkeepers

Christian Abbiati
Antonio Chimenti
Gianluigi Buffon

Defenders

Fabio Cannavaro
Robert Kovac
Alessandro Birindelli
Gianluca Pessotto
Jonathan Zebina
Federico Balzaretti
Giorgio Chiellini
Pereira Gladstone
Gianluca Zambrotta
Lilian Thuram

Midfielders

Patrick Vieira
Emerson
Giuliano Giannichedda
Manuele Blasi
Pavel Nedved
Mauro German Camoranesi
Ruben Olivera

Strikers

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Marcelo Zalayeta
Adrian Mutu
Alessandro Del Piero
David Trezeguet

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Fixed. But yes, I agree with your point.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
This was our 2005-2006 squad..
Goalkeepers

Christian Abbiati
Landry Bonnefoi
Gianluigi Buffon

Defenders

Fabio Cannavaro
Robert Kovac
Jonathan Zebina
Federico Balzaretti
Giorgio Chiellini
Pereira Gladstone
Domenico Criscito
Gianluca Zambrotta
Lilian Thuram

Midfielders

Patrick Vieira
Emerson
Giuliano Giannichedda
Marco Marchionni
Pavel Nedved
Mauro German Camoranesi
Ruben Olivera

Strikers

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Marcelo Zalayeta
Valeri Bojinov
Alessandro Del Piero
David Trezeguet


In comparison with this squad to our current squad we have and injury crisis we are going through.. Ranieri is doing a decent job. Don't you think so?
With the exception of the already raised Bojinov and I am sure Marchionni did not play until serieB also but yes this is the squad that dominated SerieA for 2 years under Capello.

Yes a lot do not like Capello mainly in truth because he dropped DP but he did win with a stronger squad against a stronger seriea opposition it has to be said.

This present SerieA has to be one the weakest in a very long time as looking at the table only 3 teams have won 50% or more of their matches this season.

The amount of losses accrued by a lot of the teams is pathetic lets be honest as Palermo are just 6 points away from a champoin's league spot and they have lost 12 games already.

Take a look at the table and see how poorly a lot of teams have performed this season

The point is that only 3 teams realistically have a chance of winning the league and Milan have been very disappointing so I take a very slim view regarding Ranieri's accomplishments.

Talking about injuries, Roma have had a very bad time of it as I am not sure how we would have coped with DP being out as much as Totti has as well as the others.

But then again you deserve all that bad luck if as a club you go out and buy a player like Loria.

I could not stop laughing about Cronos reminding me of Gilgi being locked in the toilet by Tiago as thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever read regards a football club.

I guess being told that you are to play under David Moyes at Everton can make ppl do crazy things but lock up your boss in the loo?

How did that story even leak to the media since we never air "dirty laundry" in public?

As for Giovinco, he is already 22, just 2 years younger than Ronaldo and older by Messi so hardly a youngster needed to be nurtured.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,901
This present SerieA has to be one the weakest in a very long time as looking at the table only 3 teams have won 50% or more of their matches this season.

The amount of losses accrued by a lot of the teams is pathetic lets be honest as Palermo are just 6 points away from a champoin's league spot and they have lost 12 games already.

Take a look at the table and see how poorly a lot of teams have performed this season
Seriously Denco, how does all this mean that the league is weak?

I say that 80% of the teams are of the same quality. Now prove to me that we're talking about bad quality, please.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,901
This present SerieA has to be one the weakest in a very long time as looking at the table only 3 teams have won 50% or more of their matches this season.
Oh, and btw....

Only 4 teams in the EPL won 50% or more of their matches this season
Only 3 teams in La Liga won 50% or more of their matches this season.


The amount of losses accrued by a lot of the teams is pathetic lets be honest as Palermo are just 6 points away from a champoin's league spot and they have lost 12 games already.
What difference does this make? The amount of losses in EPL is lower you think?
11 serie A teams have more defeats than wins. 11 La Liga teams have more defeats than wins. 14 out of the 20 EPL teams have more defeats than wins.
Valladolid in Spain are also only 6 pts away from a CL place and they also have 12 defeats and a negative goal difference.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,901
Well, he made it easy for me because that was very poor from him and i didn't expect that from Denco, who usually puts much effort and logic in his posts. He can use other examples to make his point that serie A is weak, but the examples he used were not only wrong, but they were completely illogical.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
Oh, and btw....

Only 4 teams in the EPL won 50% or more of their matches this season
Only 3 teams in La Liga won 50% or more of their matches this season.



What difference does this make? The amount of losses in EPL is lower you think?
11 serie A teams have more defeats than wins. 11 La Liga teams have more defeats than wins. 14 out of the 20 EPL teams have more defeats than wins.
Valladolid in Spain are also only 6 pts away from a CL place and they also have 12 defeats and a negative goal difference.
How many EPl teams are still in the Cl? 4

How many teams in La liga are still in Cl? 2

You can argue till the cows come home but there are in fact 4 EPl teams that started out at CL still remaining in the greatest club competition in the world.

What the hell has the amount of quality of teams in Epl and La liga got to do with the weak teams in SerieA?

La liga this season has been very poor, everyone knows that even if Barcelona has been exceptional.

The fact of the matter at discussion is Capello had a better squad but he also was up against better quality squads unlike what we are facing now.

Milan were not that competitive in seriea but still made very good showings in Cl compared to now that they are getting knocked out by Werder Bremen, at 1 time being 2-0 down to a Tony Adams' led Portsmouth.

You seriously wanna tell me that teams like as Palermo, Lazio, Genoa, Udinese even Fiorentina should be taken seriously as title challengers?

There is nothing that Ranieri is doing that is remotely remarkable whatsoever as whether you want to admit it or not, this is a poor league
 

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