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Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,418
press silence is def a temporary solution, but i dont see this board staying longer. at least secco is'nt going to be staying in his postion. these days are sure hard enough for juve fans on top we have ranieri talk his head out every bloody day!!
 

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Pingo

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2007
674
get mourinho whatever it costs..but at the end of the season...
I like that idea, but he is to expensive for the club...And the down side is, i don't think that he well go for the Italian players (young)...He probebly will get to much "foreigners" IMO...Don't like that...

But RUIneri must be stoped... And if Secco wonts to keep his job, he'll better buy Barzagli, Cigarini, Diego...
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,418
was Iaquinta really also Moggi's signing? if he was then Secco should be fired immediately....it just shows that he did absolutely zilch
i've read it some where that its moggi who signed him, iam not too sure but i will find out and getback to u on this one. 70% i think its moggi.
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,418
was Iaquinta really also Moggi's signing? if he was then Secco should be fired immediately....it just shows that he did absolutely zilch
i've read it some where that its moggi who signed him, iam not too sure but i will find out and getback to u on this one. 70% i think its moggi.
here u go ahmed: the bolded part.

Calcio Debate: Are Juve Fans Turning Against Ranieri & Secco?

Claudio Ranieri’s decision to substitute Alessandro Del Piero with Vincenzo Iaquinta against Sampdoria yesterday backfired terribly. Carlo Garganese believes that the Bianconeri supporters are starting to have serious doubts about the Coach, as well as sporting director Alessio Secco


Juventus may be third in Serie A and still well on course to achieve their seasonal objective of qualifying for the Champions League, however one has the feeling that the Old Lady’s passionate supporters are not too confident that their club is in the right hands.



Following the post-Calciopoli promotion from Serie B, this season was always going to be complicated for Italy’s most successful club, and many will argue that if they were to finish the campaign in the position they currently occupy this would be a superb achievement.



Nevertheless it is self-explanatory due to their prestigious name and their glorious history that Juventus belong at the very top of Italian and European football.



With Claudio Ranieri as Coach and Alessio Secco as sporting director, do the Juve supporters trust that these two figures will, along with President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, managing director Jean-Claude Blanc and other key hierarchical figures, place them back on their almighty throne?



The answer to this question is certainly clouded with uncertainty.



Ranieri was never going to be the most popular of choices when he took over the reigns from Didier Deschamps at the beginning of the season.



However the Tinkerman seemed to be winning over many fans as Juve surprised the critics and even suggested for a while that they may be able to challenge Inter for the Scudetto.



As the Bianconeri have drifted out of the picture recently it seems that the doubts over Ranieri’s ability have resurfaced again, and this was taken to new heights yesterday by his inexplicable decision to substitute Alessandro Del Piero with Vincenzo Iaquinta at half-time of yesterday’s goalless draw with Sampdoria.



Admittedly Del Piero did not have one of his better games for Juve, particularly given his stunning form of late, however the Golden Boy was the key link man between the midfield and attack as the Old Lady completely dominated the first half in Turin without scoring.



After Del Piero’s exit Juve were simply dreadful and did not create a single chance of note for the entire second period. For a team much maligned for a lack of creativity in midfield, particularly given Mauro Camoranesi’s injury-absence, it baffles me as to the reasoning behind Ranieri’s thinking yesterday. Indeed I am certain that Juventus would have won the game if Del Piero had stayed on the pitch.



It is this kind of ‘tinkering’ and irrational thinking that has clouded Ranieri throughout his career. While at Chelsea the tactician was consistently poked fun at by the English media for some of his illogical tactical decisions. Indeed Chelsea blew their best-ever chance of winning the Champions League in 2004 because of Ranieri.



The Blues were playing Monaco in the semi-final first leg in Monte Carlo and looked strong favourites to make the final, with the scores level at 1-1 and the French side down to 10 men after the 52nd minute sending-off of Andreas Zikos.



Ranieri then curiously opted to completely unbalance his side by bringing on Jimmy Floyd-Hasselbaink for Mario Melchiot, and Robert Huth for Scott Parker. The ten men of Monaco then regained the initiative and scored twice late-on to win 3-1, and they would eventually book their place in the final, where they would lose to Jose Mourinho’s Porto.



It is bizarre decisions such as these that help explain why Ranieri has never won a league or European title throughout his entire coaching career. Yesterday’s substitution of Del Piero certainly suggests that this trend will continue here in Turin if the Tinkerman continues past the end of the current season.



And so on to the much-maligned Alessio Secco.



Secco was appointed as Juventus’ Head of Sporting Activities at the beginning of the 2006/07 season – essentially replacing Luciano Moggi, who of course left the club after the Calciopoli crisis.



It doesn’t take a rocket-scientist to work out that Secco’s work in the transfer market ever since his promotion to this position has been nothing short of disastrous.



Perhaps the signs were ominous as soon as Juventus announced the signature of Newcastle Utd’s Jean-Alain Boumsong for a fee of close to €5m in August 2006.



Anyone who follows English football will remember the quite hysterical, disaster-ridden centre-back partnership that the Frenchman shared with Titus Malachi Bramble. The duo were dubbed the ‘Chuckle Brothers’, after the slapstick, error-prone British comedy duo.



Last summer’s transfer policy was even worse, as Secco pushed for the club to splash out a combined €22m on midfield pair Tiago Mendes and Sergio Almiron from Lyon and Empoli respectively. Both players have been huge flops, and are certain to leave the club either this month or in June.



Secco’s other signings from last summer have also failed to shine. The injury-prone Jorge Andrade was awful in the opening weeks of the season before he broke his kneecap, while Zdenek Grygera and Hasan Salihamidzic have hardly set the world on fire.



As I have stated in the past, the only new players who have impressed this term, Antonio Nocerino and Vincenzo Iaquinta, actually weren’t Secco’s signings. They were in fact former transfer guru Luciano Moggi’s players. :eyebrows:

So it is agreed that Juventus’ transfer campaign was a complete disaster.



Fast forward to January 2008 and it seems that Secco and the Juventus hierarchy are still making the same mistakes. First of all they agreed to release Domenico Criscito on-loan to Genoa until the end of the season, leaving Juve dreadfully short of central defenders.



With Giorgio Chiellini ruled out for up to six weeks, Andrade sidelined for months, Zebina also injured, and Boumsong set to move to Lyon, Juve have just Nicola Legrottaglie as a natural centre back option.



What is even worse is that Secco seems ready to sanction a €13-15m move for Liverpool midfielder Momo Sissoko.



For those of you who don’t know, Sissoko translated means “can’t pass, can’t tackle, can’t shoot and can’t control a ball.”



I am a firm believer in giving people second chances, and I honestly hope that Secco can turn things around because from all accounts he is said to be a very nice person, just like Ranieri is.



However there is no time for sentiment in this business and serious question marks remain whether these two figures are the right men to take Juventus back to the top of Italian and European football.



What are your views on this topic? Are Juve Fans Turning Against Ranieri & Secco? What do non-Juve supporters think of the duo? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think.



Carlo Garganese
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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yea Bisc i read it in the article too that is why i was surprised because that was the 1 thing that made me think Secco had some idea on how to do his job...but even if this was a Moggi deal and it is well-known that Bettega convinced Trez to stay after the falling-out last season, what the hell has this guy done for Juve? not much as far as i can see
 

Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
ranieri can't cut running a club with ambitions, he has served his time and should be shown the door for the good of the club, also his ridiculous comment of "transfers are nothing to do with me, you need to ask the board" sums up his ridiculous mentality. this guy should be taking a hands on role and pushing for players rather than sitting back and accepting what he is given. we need a strong manager that will fight for us not this coach who has never even come close to winning anything in his career
It means he is upset by media and some of supporters and tries to distance himself who accusing him for not good signing.
Also means he is puppet and he listens the board. Board offer few players, and from few bad ones (ie. Cheap) he tries to pick up one or two in order to cover the holes in a team. He doesn't like it, but he has to live with it, and he want to say to supporters that is not his fault..
How about that?
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,511
It's not his fault???

How many coaches would accept that some clown usually called Secco bring him players he want? DD didm't liked that and he left the club. I don't want a coach who doesn't have any authority and is in club just to pick starting 11 which by the way he picked bad in last couple of games.
 

Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
It's not his fault???

How many coaches would accept that some clown usually called Secco bring him players he want? DD didm't liked that and he left the club. I don't want a coach who doesn't have any authority and is in club just to pick starting 11 which by the way he picked bad in last couple of games.
i agree with you and Ranieri was never like that. But we really don't know ,don't we..I think all those transfers happened or started to happen before coach arrived and now , because of all this pressure from media and fans , he wanted to distance himself as everyone pointing finger on him.
 

_GGB_

Junior Member
Jun 28, 2006
351
I want to know what other people think of Ranieri?

I live in Australia so I dont see Juve play much anymore (they do not show Serie A games on ESPN anymore). However from what I have seen I personally am not impressed with our style of play and the players we are recruiting (especially compared to what Capello and Lippi did).

Honestly I have never been a fan of Ranieri, simply because he has never won anything. At Chelsea they were always the bridesmaid under Ranieri even with Abramovich spending alot. Ranieri never finishes first, and his recruiting is a disaster that is not suited to the Serie A!

I understand this is a difficult year for Juve as we have just come up.
But we need a winner as a coach next season (what do people think of Jose Mourinho as possible coach in the future). He has experience in winning trophies in many different comps!

I think for the future success of Juve we need a change of coach, it might be worth paying anything Mourinho wants!
 

Bozi

The Bozman
Administrator
Oct 18, 2005
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yea its not his fault. so its not his fault we probably wont get VDV....:melayyanandmessi:
actually this could be a good sign by the way. it seems he does nt fancy VDV much but if he has NO say in transfer strategy then it could be that he knows the board are going for him anyway





lets hope
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
actually this could be a good sign by the way. it seems he doesnt fancy VDV much but if he has NO say in transfer strategy then it could be that he knows the board are going for him anyway

lets hope
Yeah. That situation is very probable. Maybe the board is planning to give him the boot anyways at the end of the season, whether he reaches CL football or not. 2nd option is that they are just keeping this transfer as a secret one. 3rd - They plan to bring Diego or some other attacking midfielder.
 

Pingo

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2007
674
It means he is upset by media and some of supporters and tries to distance himself who accusing him for not good signing.
Also means he is puppet and he listens the board. Board offer few players, and from few bad ones (ie. Cheap) he tries to pick up one or two in order to cover the holes in a team. He doesn't like it, but he has to live with it, and he want to say to supporters that is not his fault..
How about that?
If he is such a "puppet", why is he pressing for Shitsooko!? Who cost 13m€+, a?
How about that?

Yeah. That situation is very probable. Maybe the board is planning to give him the boot anyways at the end of the season, whether he reaches CL football or not. 2nd option is that they are just keeping this transfer as a secret one. 3rd - They plan to bring Diego or some other attacking midfielder.
God pls, let it be true... :rulz: :rofl: And the board all so...
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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Ranieri takes aim at Inter

Claudio Ranieri sees the Coppa Italia as a priority this season, but he knows his Juventus side face a huge test against Inter tomorrow night.

The Bianconeri had to dig deep to come through their last 16 test against Empoli with a spectacular 5-3 triumph in the second leg and the prospect of facing their old rivals seemed to be a valuable stimulus.

Ranieri is hoping to name his best 11 for the first meeting at San Siro tomorrow evening and revealed yesterday that he substituted Alessandro Del Piero at half-time against Sampdoria so that he would be rested.

We will play our game and I will be looking to name my strongest side,” the Juve Coach explained.

I am expecting a great game because this Cup is really important to me. We will see the same Juventus as always with the same mentality and spirit.

After the weekend’s controversial win over Parma, Inter have declared a Press silence and Ranieri commented on the crisis of confidence the referees are facing.

It’s a tough issue,” he admitted. “Referee designator Pierluigi Collina has said that it isn’t a penalty when the ball rebounds and hits a hand after a head.

However, there are young referees who need to re-learn the intricacies if they are to do well in the game.”

With Inter marching towards the Scudetto, Ranieri doesn’t need reminding how dangerous Wednesday’s opponents can be.

Inter are a great club and when they get on the right track they want to win everything,” he said. “It’s always like that for Milan and Juventus.

Inter are in a winning cycle and will try and win as much as possible to keep it going, but a time will come when the gap closes.

“We know how good Inter are and we are going there to try not to concede. If we got a win it would send our fans mad
.”

The former Parma man concluded by discussing the market and the possible arrival of Mohamed Sissoko and Olof Mellberg within the window.

Sissoko and Mellberg? I hope and believe that they will arrive and then they will need six months to acclimatise. I just hope that they will be allowed to settle in peace,” he stated.

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