Claudio Ranieri (38 Viewers)

Dostoevsky

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He's not doing a bad job Dule, I think you're being a bit harsh :)


But him saying that we don't need any players in January is ridiculous, but that can be a strategic comment.
Im not that harsh.He`s doing good job considering that we`re looking farely good on table but as i said millions of times so far i think,we already lost lots of points and we got alot just on pure luck and scoring in the last minutes and saving our asses.Still everybody are talking how is Legro preforming better since he`s our coach.What about Tiago and Almiron?Yeah i know that Almiron didn`t do so good this season but you can also that say that Ranieri ruined him also.Like Andy said,he`s not that bad to be benched always.While he was at Empoli he was one of the best players in Serie A.He was rated highly.Ranieri came and he choked.Since he`s our coach i haven`t see him talking to the players and giving them some adviced or whatever during the match.He`s like a freaking zombie...Not to mention Tiago again.


I agree to some extent. While Ranieri hasn't been a total farce as manager, I really don't know if he is the right man for us. The bigger farce is his label "the Tinkerman," who doesn't change the squad whatsoever. It is my opinion that he doesn't judge players on training nor matches, but just sticks with the same "safe formation" that he personally believes in. Tiago should be playing right now; there is no excuse for it. He's a better player than Nocerino and we don't need two destroyers out there. Almiron is not that bad to be benched the entire season after he led Empoli for the past two seasons to decent positions on the table.

It just doesn't make any sense. At least Tiago should be starting right now after putting in good performances in his two starts, but he doesn't even get a fucking chance. Unacceptable. Dule is right when he says Ranieri is ruining him.

Mourinho is the better manager, get him.
:tup: Finally someone that i can agree with everything in this thread,especially the last sentence.

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I want to ask a very good question here.

Why is Prandelli rated better than Ranieri? What has he achieve more?
IMO it's not so much as what he has achieved more, it's about what Ranieri himself has not achieved. Ranieri was in control of some very strong and promising squads, mainly a super wealthy Chelsea and a always strong Valencia, and yet he failed pretty miserably with both.

Personally, I don't rate Prandelli any higher but I always disliked Ranieri and considered him to be a small club coach. ATM I'm undecided over him.
 

Dostoevsky

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I want to ask a very good question here.

Why is Prandelli rated better than Ranieri? What has he achieve more?
Indeed good question and with many answers...I heard that Prandelli is very good conditions with players.While he was at Roma everyone liked him alot.He left Roma because of his wife who died week ago and may she RIP.He`s better coach then Ranieri IMO.He coached Parma very good also and now doing the same job with Fiorentina.And btw he was Juve palyer. :D He likes to rotate team alot and his coaching reminds me a bit like Wenger.He`s also prefering young players.With 15 points deduction he was able to make it to the 5th place with Fiorentina wich really is something and back then he got that award for golded bench at season 06/07.I wouldn`t mind him here at all.
 

HelterSkelter

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Ranieri didnt really fail miserably at Valencia TBH.The same goes for his time at Chelsea.It could well be argued that Hector Cuper achieved what he did on the foundations laid by Ranieri at Valencia,and Mourinho achieved what he did on the foundations laid by Ranieri at Chelsea.Ranieri will lay down good,solid foundations,but he wont win you anything.He'll get you safe and stable,but he wont take you to the next level.

Yes he fucked it up during his 2nd term incharge at Valencia,but he did well with the team during his first term.
 

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Ranieri didnt really fail miserably at Valencia TBH.The same goes for his time at Chelsea.It could well be argued that Hector Cuper achieved what he did on the foundations laid by Ranieri at Valencia,and Mourinho achieved what he did on the foundations laid by Ranieri at Chelsea.Ranieri will lay down good,solid foundations,but he wont win you anything.He'll get you safe and stable,but he wont take you to the next level.

Yes he fucked it up during his 2nd term incharge at Valencia,but he did well with the team during his first term.
That was always the defense of Ranieri supporters and TBH, that means jack shit in my book. One can debate whether Chelsea or Valencia are big clubs but Chelsea got that status instantly and Valencia had a lot of success from after Cuper so they had high expectations.. He was brought to both clubs to win, laying foundations means nothing in a big club. Both Cuper and Mourinho had different philosophies and played different players and tactics. Just because he discovered Lampard or Mendietta doesn't mean all that much IMO when he didn't make them champions. Mourinho and Cuper did.

But OK, his first stint at Valencia does go to his merrit, he did a pretty good job there.
 

JCK

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We played against Inter at home and matched them up. Prandelli is playing Inter at home now and Inter are ownZing his ass all the time. Explain that.

Prandelli has no clue IMO and his position in the table is just luck. I am now certain that they are not top four contenders.
 

JCK

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Sh*t happens.Fiorentina can beat Milan,Juve,Lazio and Inter sometimes but also lose against Empoli,Reggina...
This means that their coach is inconsistent and cannot adapt his team to different kinds of opponents. Ranieri on the other hand succeeded to keep a constant performance against good, average and weak teams. This makes him the better coach.
 

Dostoevsky

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This means that their coach is inconsistent and cannot adapt his team to different kinds of opponents. Ranieri on the other hand succeeded to keep a constant performance against good, average and weak teams. This makes him the better coach.
True but that can also mean that we have better and more quality players maybe?Fiorentina is good but they can`t keep up with this level whole season...but that doesn`t have to mean its because of the coach,does it?
 

JCK

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True but that can also mean that we have better and more quality players maybe?Fiorentina is good but they can`t keep up with this level whole season...but that doesn`t have to mean its because of the coach,does it?
Their squad was said to be better, they have been playing in Serie A last season with Prandelli and they improved the players this season and yet we are superior to them with a new coach and many young and new players, doesn't this mean that Ranieri is better?

Look what is he doing against Inter, he is giving them all the space up front and Inter are just enjoying taking these chances easily. How many chances did Inter have? 2? 3? and they are up 2-0.

What did we do with Inter? Do you still remember? I think against Inter we had one of the most tactical approaches in modern football, we managed to stop a team that is five times better than ours in terms of quality.
 

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