Claudio Ranieri (53 Viewers)

May 22, 2007
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Their squad was said to be better, they have been playing in Serie A last season with Prandelli and they improved the players this season and yet we are superior to them with a new coach and many young and new players, doesn't this mean that Ranieri is better?

Look what is he doing against Inter, he is giving them all the space up front and Inter are just enjoying taking these chances easily. How many chances did Inter have? 2? 3? and they are up 2-0.

What did we do with Inter? Do you still remember? I think against Inter we had one of the most tactical approaches in modern football, we managed to stop a team that is five times better than ours in terms of quality.
In answer to you first question, I think that Cesare is highly rated because of what his players do mostly. Toni, for example, really did help the side with his goals, and having a player like Mutu, is also a huge bonus. Being fair, today they are missing a key central defender, Dainelli, but even with him I think they would be a goal down. Prandelli seems to be making his team attack, and with each attack, the player in possession has had 2 Inter players closing him down, while he is within 30 yards of goal. This is where Mancini has the advantage today imo.

I think Ranieri knows how to balance out attack and defense well, and this season we have the third best defense in Serie A. I think that Mourinho is a better coach than Claudio, so the latter would have been seen as a lesser person because he did great things with Chelsea. I trust Ranieri's decisions most of the time though.
 

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Dostoevsky

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Their squad was said to be better, they have been playing in Serie A last season with Prandelli and they improved the players this season and yet we are superior to them with a new coach and many young and new players, doesn't this mean that Ranieri is better?

Look what is he doing against Inter, he is giving them all the space up front and Inter are just enjoying taking these chances easily. How many chances did Inter have? 2? 3? and they are up 2-0.

What did we do with Inter? Do you still remember? I think against Inter we had one of the most tactical approaches in modern football, we managed to stop a team that is five times better than ours in terms of quality.
I agree with some part of that but you are mostly wrong here,Jack...You can`t compare Juventus and Fiorentina.They are just one avarange/good team who are chasing top 4 places.We are one of the best in the world if not atm we will be next year again.They have alot players who will become WC players but they don`t have any atm.They have alot of raising stars.In the other hand we have Del Piero,Buffon,Trezeguet,Nedved,Camo...all wc players and legends and they have tons of expirience unlike Montolivo,Pazzini etc.Fiorentina just can`t compare with any of Juve,Roma,Inter and Milan.Inter is superior to them,even their second team is stronger then Fiorentina`s first.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Exactly. Balance, you don't rage against Inter and leave holes in your defence or you will get punished. Ranieri attacked against Inter but he made sure Inter will not be dagerous with their counter attacks.
 

Franky4Fingers

Mr. I'm Always Right
May 24, 2007
564
I don't understand why people are complaining about Rani?
Did you expect him to be in first place?
CL qualification was considered a big succes pre-season! We are up there right now!
You can't expect us to "just" win Serie A here.

IMO we are doing quite well actually, maybe even above expectations.
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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I don't understand why people are complaining about Rani?
Did you expect him to be in first place?
CL qualification was considered a big succes pre-season! We are up there right now!
You can't expect us to "just" win Serie A here.

IMO we are doing quite well actually, maybe even above expectations.
ok we r at a cl spot but still we miss much in our game. i think that we could have won the parma match or the napoli match or don't lose to udinese etc if ranieri would have made some other subs or earlier ones.
for me he made some mistakes that cost us some points. and i don't get why tiago and almiron never get a chance but maybe only ranieri knows that.
 

Franky4Fingers

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May 24, 2007
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There are always games lost which shouldn't. Also under Lippi, Mourinho, Capello, etc.
And besides, what if he would've benched Nocerino? Or Zanetti?
There will always be people complaining. And why does everybody here think they know better then Rani? He's the pro. He sees them in action 7 days a week. We are just simple people who like to watch football and pretend to know what we are talking about.
Nobody here is a professional trainer/coach. Only Rani.
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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There are always games lost which shouldn't. Also under Lippi, Mourinho, Capello, etc.
And besides, what if he would've benched Nocerino? Or Zanetti?
There will always be people complaining. And why does everybody here think they know better then Rani? He's the pro. He sees them in action 7 days a week. We are just simple people who like to watch football and pretend to know what we are talking about.
Nobody here is a professional trainer/coach. Only Rani.
of course there are always games lost which shouldn't. but in my opinion they wouldn't be lost or at least not all if he did not made some mistakes.
and yes i had bench nocerino maybe not zanetti. or do u really think that nocerino plays every game sooooo good. we could have changed our system and let tiago play a more creativ player. now we are always playing with 2 dm
 
Jun 26, 2007
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There are always games lost which shouldn't. Also under Lippi, Mourinho, Capello, etc.
And besides, what if he would've benched Nocerino? Or Zanetti?
There will always be people complaining. And why does everybody here think they know better then Rani? He's the pro. He sees them in action 7 days a week. We are just simple people who like to watch football and pretend to know what we are talking about.
Nobody here is a professional trainer/coach. Only Rani.
That's the way it is. :tup:

I think Ranieri is doing a lot of great things that most of us don't even notice. And especially the Tiago situation is very hard to judge right now. But I must say I'm disappointed with our last 20-30 minutes vs. Milan, but not as dramatically as most people here.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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it is hard to judge C-Ra for Tiago because he is not playing....if he is as bad as been mentioned then we should be allowed to judge for ourselves...
 

white_rabbit

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Apr 9, 2006
592
give him a break. our results are good

i'm sure that much less fans here would be pissing on ranieri if inter weren't winning all their matches
second that.
but the real question for me is: Can our squad keep the good results up until the second leg of the league?

Im concerned as i see our performances come out from good motivation and spirit
along with good physical condition of the players. all these elements usually deteriorate as the season goes by and the teams with a good bench shows up (as milan always do).

remember that we got lucky with the revival of Legro this season you can imagine what would have happened if he preformed poorly.

as for the tiago issue, i believe he could be the answer to my question as he regains form he can add a bit of the depth we need in the bench.
 

Dragula

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Jul 17, 2006
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imo Ranieri is doing mucho shitto at the moment. How could he bench DP after his sublime performance vs Palermo? And then he brought him in, in the 71st minute. Iaquinta was not doing anything but taking up space on the field. He should have been subbed at half time. By the time Alex & Marco came on the field the rest of the team were so tired.. i knew we couldn't score.
 

Dostoevsky

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Gigli Defends Ranieri Over Del Piero

Juventus President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has defended Coach Claudio Ranieri after he waited until the 71st minute to bring on Alessandro Del Piero against Milan.

The game at San Siro on Saturday night ended in an intriguing 0-0 stalemate, but some people have criticised Ranieri for not introducing Del Piero from the bench sooner.

“I wasn’t amazed to see Del Piero on the bench,” Gigli insisted.

“We are used to Claudio Ranieri choosing formations that are appropriate and right on the money and we trust him to do that.

“Do I agree with Ranieri’s decision? I just want victory, that’s the first priority and as a Juventus fan I wan’t three points with or without Alex. Del Piero will have lots of chances to start.”

Gigli also believes that Juventus could have won the game. David Trezeguet hit the post in the first-half, while Milan 'keeper Nelson Dida made a string of impressive saves to keep the score level.

“We could have won. Personally I’m disappointed that it finished 0-0,” Gigli stressed.

“We showed some important attributes and we have such great room for improvement.

“We have such great character and we have shown that in the top of the table clashes.”

Carlo Garganese , Goal.com
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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Calcio Debate: Could Lippi Return To Juve Next Season?

Marcello Lippi has enjoyed incredible success during two previous spells at Juve, however Carlo Garganese believes he could sit on the Bianconeri bench for a third time next season.



zoom - galleria Marcello Lippi is undoubtedly one of the greatest Coaches in the history of the game. He has won virtually every major honour in football, including the biggest of them all – the FIFA World Cup.



His club career is most associated for his two outstanding spells at Juventus. He first took charge in 1994 during possibly the darkest period in the club’s history.



The Bianconeri had not won the Serie A title for eight years, and were being totally eclipsed by the brilliant AC Milan side of that era.



However Lippi’s impact was immediate. In his first season he constructed a magnificent squad, involving the likes of Ciro Ferrara and Jurgen Kohler at the back, Paulo Sousa and Didier Deschamps in midfield, and a terrifying quartet of strikers in Fabrizio Ravanelli, Gianluca Vialli, Roberto Baggio and a young Alessandro Del Piero.



Juve romped to the title, finishing 10 points clear of second-placed Lazio. They also won the Coppa Italia, and narrowly avoided the treble after finishing runners-up in the UEFA Cup.



The next season Lippi led the club to even greater glory, as Juve won the Champions League for only the second time in their history, following a penalty-shootout victory over Ajax.



The 1996/97 team was arguably the finest under Lippi. They added the legendary Zinedine Zidane to their ranks and comfortably won another Scudetto. They picked up the Intercontinental crown by defeating Enzo Francescoli’s River Plate in Japan, and memorably thrashed Paris Saint-Germain 9-2 on aggregate in the European Supercup.



They also reached another Champions League final, but despite dominating the game and hitting the woodwork a host of times they fell to a 3-1 defeat to Borussia Dortmund.



The Bianconeri retained the Scudetto in 1997/98 with Del Piero and the newly signed Filippo Inzaghi scoring 39 league goals between them. Lippi led the team to a third successive Champions League final, where they again lost, this time 1-0 to Real Madrid in a close match.



After winning numerous honours Lippi’s drive began to waver a touch, and he left the club midway through the next season.



Juventus won nothing under Carlo Ancelotti during the next two-and-a-half years, with Carletto gaining the reputation as a close-shave “loser”.



Lippi surprisingly returned for the start of 2001/02 with Luciano Moggi famously declaring Lippi as a “winner”.



Lucky Luciano proved to be right and in his first season back at the club, he immediately led the club to the Scudetto, following Inter’s final day capitulation at Lazio.



He added another league title the following year, and also reached an incredible fourth Champions League final, which Juventus again lost, this time to Milan on penalties in Manchester.



He left to take the Italian national job in 2004, with whom he led to World Cup glory in Germany last summer.



Lippi resigned from his post just days after the triumph in Berlin and he has been out of work since. In the last week he has confirmed that he will be definitely returning to management for the start of the next season.



So where will he go?



Well my money is on Juventus. Lippi and the Bianconeri are simply made for each other. Having won five Serie A titles in seven full seasons at the club, and having reached four Champions League finals during this time – there can be no doubting Lippi’s credentials.



Many believe that current boss Claudio Ranieri was only brought in as a stop-gap solution. His role, even if he is not aware of it, is to qualify Juve for the Champions League. Once he does this, it is very likely he will be fired, and a world-class coach such as Lippi, or even Jose Mourinho, will be brought in.



Let’s face it - Ranieri is not a “winner”. Indeed he has won nothing of note in his entire 20 years of coaching.



What the Tinkerman is good at, is building the foundations of a team. However he does not have the ability to go that extra step and lead them to success.



At Cagliari he led the Sardinians from Serie C to Serie A – an excellent achievement. He moved on to Napoli, who the previous year had won the Scudetto. Ranieri led the team to a respectable fourth but he won no silverware.



During four years in charge of a Fiorentina team including Gabriel Batistuta and Manuel Rui Costa, he formed a fine squad, however ultimately all he won was a Coppa Italia and Italian Supercup – two trophies of little value.



At Valencia he won a Spanish Cup and was absolutely crucial in laying the foundations for a team who would reach two Champions league finals after he left. However again he won nothing of significance.



Finally there were the four years at Chelsea, where Ranieri built most of the foundations of which Jose Mourinho would eventually reap the rewards. But did Ranieri win a Premiership title or a Champions League? The answer is no.



I am certain that Ranieri will do a good job this year in re-building this Juventus side after their year spent in Serie B. Indeed the Old Lady have made a superb start to the season and currently look odds-on to gain a top-four place.



But realistically we all know that Ranieri is not capable of going that extra yard and leading Juve to the Scudetto or the Champions League.



That role is reserved for Lippi next year.

Carlo Garganese
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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do you want almost guaranteed success, with some sort of entertaining play, where our players are more than mere workers and robots, and with a lot of italian influence? if you do, then lippi is the man. if you just want decent chance of success without any attractive play, where our team is made of just workhorses, and portuguese whiners, mourinho is your man.

p.s. mourinho is my second choice. success is the key word :D
 

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