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It is logical indeed. But aren't you a little mad that the board didn't try their best to keep him, while everything was going good?
Yes I liked that reaction too, showed that it is not about the money, that's the characteristic side of him, while we were talking about the managing side. Anyway, we both are supporting him, why are we discussing this?
Agreed. I didn't compare these two thou, Arif told me why we are moaning for Ranieri replacing Didier, since they both didn't win anything (no one is better than the other). Like I said I am moaning for Didier's departure, because I would want him to have the shot to manage in Seie A, just like you, and not because he is the best manager in the world..
Yes I liked that reaction too, showed that it is not about the money, that's the characteristic side of him, while we were talking about the managing side. Anyway, we both are supporting him, why are we discussing this?
Agreed. I didn't compare these two thou, Arif told me why we are moaning for Ranieri replacing Didier, since they both didn't win anything (no one is better than the other). Like I said I am moaning for Didier's departure, because I would want him to have the shot to manage in Seie A, just like you, and not because he is the best manager in the world..
Anders, why are you making a mention of Ranieri's season with Abramovich and conveniently forgetting the fact that he was there a couple of seasons before. It's different. He had a core of players to build on. That is not a right off the bat situation. He didnt come in with Abramovich and start from scratch. The point being, he has had more than his fair share of opportunity and he hasn't really made the cut. Why are people here evading an eventual reality? Ranieri needs an environment with no expectation to look good. That's the truth whether we like it or not. Having said that, nothing would make me happier than for the tinkerman (a guy known as the tinkerman coaching Juve? Seriously?)to prove all the naysayers on this forum wrong. Absolutely nothing.
Everything is always about winning. If Juventus doesn't win the Scudetto, we suck. If Juventus does win the Scudetto, by any means possible, including cheating and shitty performances alike, we're the best and people celebrate no matter what. But listen... we will not win the Scudetto any time soon no matter who our manager is. People like to live in this fairy-tale land where after one season we will be on top of Italy again, but those who believe that need to snap out of it. We need to build a squad with youngsters and newcomers into a squad that plays well together before we can realitistically achieve great things again. And one manager who is good at building squads in such a situation is Claudio Ranieri.
We might not win the Scudetto under him, but at least we'll build a competitive squad during his tenure and nurture young talents for the future. I'd say this makes more sense than hiring Lippi for two years in the false hope of winning something.
Abramovich bought about 9 new players that season for Ranieri, half of which easily were first choice players for that team. It was a brand new team and you can't expect such an influx of new players to mesh well during the first season.
And besides, people are forgetting that Arsenal went unbeaten that year.
We might not win the Scudetto under him, but at least we'll build a competitive squad during his tenure and nurture young talents for the future. I'd say this makes more sense than hiring Lippi for two years in the false hope of winning something.
Abramovich bought about 9 new players that season for Ranieri, half of which easily were first choice players for that team. It was a brand new team and you can't expect such an influx of new players to mesh well during the first season.
And besides, people are forgetting that Arsenal went unbeaten that year.
No one is saying Ranieri would do better, all we are saying is that Ranieri is the current coach is it is way too early to label him as a loser. Let's wait and see what he'll do.
Snoop, yes. Concerning the board this is something I would give a negative point on, not trying to keep him. Not because he's Deschamps, not because he's better than any other, not because anything related to the ex or current coach but only because of the fact that we have had three different coaches in a matter of one one year. Very Interish.
Snoop, yes. Concerning the board this is something I would give a negative point on, not trying to keep him. Not because he's Deschamps, not because he's better than any other, not because anything related to the ex or current coach but only because of the fact that we have had three different coaches in a matter of one one year. Very Interish.
you seem to be forgetting that during ranieri's first years at chelsea the club was constantly inches away from going into administration, only when abramovic took over did they actually have money to spend and the new 'infinate' supply of cash that chelsea has takes away from the fact that once upon a time they had bugger all and they were fluctuating throughout the table like no one had ever seen, ranieri single handedly steadied the ship and dealt with a financial crisis after vialli pissed all the money away and upset everyone he shook hands with.
ranieri in my eyes is a very unlucky manager, he has never stood a realistic chance of winning a title at the clubs hes been at, but through his own hard work and his key quality of being a fighter and never giving up hes built fantastic SQUADS which have later gone on to enjoy success, he only needed one more season at chelsea, one more season at valencia and the medals would have come, i can guarantee you. You cant slate a guy for managing mediocre valencia and chelsea teams without winning anything as he is significantly responsible for turning them into the club they are today, and i hope and pray that with juventus he will finally be able to take control of a side which will allow him to collect the winners medals which he, more than any other manager in the game today so desperately deserves to collect.
FORZA RANIERI!! FUCK THE HATERS!!! JUVE 4 EVA!!!!
ranieri in my eyes is a very unlucky manager, he has never stood a realistic chance of winning a title at the clubs hes been at, but through his own hard work and his key quality of being a fighter and never giving up hes built fantastic SQUADS which have later gone on to enjoy success, he only needed one more season at chelsea, one more season at valencia and the medals would have come, i can guarantee you. You cant slate a guy for managing mediocre valencia and chelsea teams without winning anything as he is significantly responsible for turning them into the club they are today, and i hope and pray that with juventus he will finally be able to take control of a side which will allow him to collect the winners medals which he, more than any other manager in the game today so desperately deserves to collect.
FORZA RANIERI!! FUCK THE HATERS!!! JUVE 4 EVA!!!!
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Rumor going around that Secco might indeed leave and be replaced by Sartori(Chievo).
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right during the most important time of the mercato?
Bravo Juve.
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I guess Secco was just a puppet and was just there for the cameras.
rumors are Sartori but Bettega could do the full job...or Lippi?
Rumor going around that Secco might indeed leave and be replaced by Sartori(Chievo).
:eyebrows:
right during the most important time of the mercato?
Bravo Juve.
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posted in another thread
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I guess Secco was just a puppet and was just there for the cameras.
rumors are Sartori but Bettega could do the full job...or Lippi?
Remember DD's first Serie B game. Everybody was skeptical about his abilities. And also during some Serie B games, many were very skeptical about DD's abilities and that had another manager have this team in Serie B, we surely wouldn't have won a game.
I think DD's resignation came right after securing serie B title, thats what made it hard for many of u guys. Coz the sweet final memory.
I understand from media that Juve didn't have enough trust in DD, I could understand that. I would have loved for DD to continue with his journey but perhaps Couldn't it be possible that the Board had good reason not to have enough faith in DD?
The players such as Buffon certainly didn't mind Ranieri replacing DD. Actually it perhaps made hime more certain of his Juve future which the board said would be the utmost priority.
I agree with Andy on this, we need a coach who can build a squad. I don't rate Ranieri as low as many of you here in the forums. He's no Morinho or Lippi, but his experiences outweight Deschamps'.
Give the guy a shot, at least wait till the mercato is over to get a better idea of what to expect.
I think DD's resignation came right after securing serie B title, thats what made it hard for many of u guys. Coz the sweet final memory.
I understand from media that Juve didn't have enough trust in DD, I could understand that. I would have loved for DD to continue with his journey but perhaps Couldn't it be possible that the Board had good reason not to have enough faith in DD?
The players such as Buffon certainly didn't mind Ranieri replacing DD. Actually it perhaps made hime more certain of his Juve future which the board said would be the utmost priority.
I agree with Andy on this, we need a coach who can build a squad. I don't rate Ranieri as low as many of you here in the forums. He's no Morinho or Lippi, but his experiences outweight Deschamps'.
Give the guy a shot, at least wait till the mercato is over to get a better idea of what to expect.
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Rumor going around that Secco might indeed leave and be replaced by Sartori(Chievo).
:eyebrows:
right during the most important time of the mercato?
Bravo Juve.
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posted in another thread
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I guess Secco was just a puppet and was just there for the cameras.
rumors are Sartori but Bettega could do the full job...or Lippi?
Rumor going around that Secco might indeed leave and be replaced by Sartori(Chievo).
:eyebrows:
right during the most important time of the mercato?
Bravo Juve.
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posted in another thread
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I guess Secco was just a puppet and was just there for the cameras.
rumors are Sartori but Bettega could do the full job...or Lippi?
dont waste your time, Mark...because too many naive ppl here (Jack) dont see what problems our team has
Personally, I dont care if we dont win the scudetto under Ranieri. In fact, I dont even care about a top 2 finish. That said, whether you like it or not, there will always be a certain weight of expectation at a club like Juventus, whether they've come from Serie C2 or Serie B, it wont matter. Nobody here is denying that coming back to being who we are is going to be a process. This can and will only happen gradually. What you need to understand is, however, that the process under some coaches may take longer than under others. But even that isn't really the bone of contention here. My biggest apprehension is that Ranieri would bring a change in mentality for reasons I've stated above.
You make a mention of 9 new players at Chelsea. If you yourself sitting at home can realise that that such an influx cannot mesh together right away, why couldn't Ranieri? A Rafa, Mourinho or even someone like Spalleti would've gone for the kill - because quite honestly, what Ranieri had at Chelsea, could've easily been bolstered by half the number of signings and would've been good enough to get the job done. It is because Claudio didnt have the temperament to believe that his abilities could match the expectations. Those who have tasted success of any kind know how to make it happen again and adapt themselves. Arsenal were unbeaten for a reason...and the fact that Ranieri couldn't beat them even once that season alone should've been reason enough to believe that he couldn't live up to the expectations. That is what I'm most worried about really. The longer he stays with us, the more players will think in a certain way. And that line of thinking doesn't belong here. I say it again, it's not being a pessimist. It's not that I hate Ranieri. It's just that he doesn't fit with the mentality we've had in one of our most succesful cycles.
Also you keep going on about youth. Remember, there is only so much youth can do. Experience is what's required to keep the ship running. Yes, youth will make us more exciting and bring the enthusiasm on the pitch, but without a Del Piero or a Nedved, they won't have a sense of direction to achieve a certain level of success. Therein lies Claudio's biggest challenge. His flavour for youth needs to be harnessed and complemented with a smooth blend of experience, if he is to do anything with his time here.
Dont know if you've noticed, but Ranieri is better remembered for his time before Abramovich. That's because he always does a good job when there is nothing expected of him.
When you dont have trophies, you always have excuses. I think Capello is scum, cant stand the sight of that mofo, but he has tasted success and he knows how to achieve it. Everywhere he goes, without having the excuse of needing that 'one more season.' You see the difference? What were Roma, before Capello took over - he won with them. What were Real Madrid all of the last four seasons, a big joke? But Capello came in and brought with him more than a few players and made the team 'mesh' and has all but got the job done in one season. Why? Because he knows what it takes to achieve success. Isn't it ironic, that you say Ranieri needed one more season at both clubs to make them a success?! It does show some kind of pattern.
When you dont have trophies, you always have excuses. I think Capello is scum, cant stand the sight of that mofo, but he has tasted success and he knows how to achieve it. Everywhere he goes, without having the excuse of needing that 'one more season.' You see the difference? What were Roma, before Capello took over - he won with them. What were Real Madrid all of the last four seasons, a big joke? But Capello came in and brought with him more than a few players and made the team 'mesh' and has all but got the job done in one season. Why? Because he knows what it takes to achieve success. Isn't it ironic, that you say Ranieri needed one more season at both clubs to make them a success?! It does show some kind of pattern.