Claudio Ranieri (16 Viewers)

Apr 19, 2007
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I completely agree with alen...Our strength is our attack and I would say we are similar to Liverpool. Not the defensive stars put we play our game very well but we get thrown out of our game we arent near as good. We need to be that team that keeps clean sheats and use our great attacking power to limit the amount of players getting cought up. Good teams can be predictable in my opinion but it doesnt matter if you cant stop it. How predictable is Inter? Are they a very tricky team? No they just pound you and you cant do much about it bc of the players they have. Honestly I love Giovinco but it is hard to play how we play tactically and all with him in compared to Nedved. Maybe we need to change the formation up next year to suit him but we are very vulnerable when we try to attack to much.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,412
Our team is unbalanced! This cannot be denied or overlooked.
We have plent of viable options offensively and no reliable ones defensively.
We can argue for ever which is the best approach for the winning formula.
But lets not forget what suits our team the best! We have the tools to attack and score goals against every opponent, but we can hardly prevent even the lesser teams of scoring against us!
It is a no brainer actually, at any circumstances, we cannot fall back, because our defense cannot afford that!
And here lies the problem, our coward and loser coach, is afraid to take that risk and calibrated our team, in order to play with the defensive approach Capello+DD used.
This approach is written within our DNA, we are the symbol of the tactical defensive football. Our triumphs all arrived by solidarity of our defense and the quality percentage of our starters!
The new board want to see that changed and does not approve the necessary defensive enhancements. However the also demand results here and now!!
They rather prefer buying more expensive forwards with the hope that those choices will enforce their will, of creating an attractive to the eye, offensive team!
CR tries to balance those incompatible orders and we can see the results...
We are wasting Giovinco, DC, Treze, Camo and DP or Iaq on the bench
and are forced to use the lesser quality defensive players we have, in order to use the defensive approach, our team is accustomed to use.
This is our way, we can only be effective that way, at least in a league type of competition!

All these compatibility issues have multiple affects in our team.
I ve pointed them out some seasons ago and we have yet to see a solid effort from our board to fix them.
This is THE issue we are facing now and then and it wont go away with CR !!

We need someone to step up and take control of the situation, someone with a clear vision and the authority to impose his will!
It is essential to get a man like Lippi as GM, someone who has the exp and the authority to do what it has to be done!

We are only wasting time now and running circles. With no vision, no planning, no strategical goals! A typical behavior of amateur FCs...
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
because if we played against the lesser teams with the attitude and tactic we play against the big teams, the true fans like Andy, Vinman and Co will bash Ranieri for playing to cowardly and claim that we should beat those teams by 3 goals difference (which you wont do, if you play cautiosly).

there are two many barca fans that got the colour wrong and i think this is ONE reason, why ranieri does not play that way against the smaller teams.

not everybody has learned that the present juve has to EARN the points like any other team on the planet too. To earn something is never a piece of a cake, but always work, but hey ... explain a bum what "work" means.

But we didn't even attack well against the smaller teams. We never played as if we were about to beat those lesser teams by three goals difference. We played cautiously yet we couldn't EARN the proper points from those matches.

Oh, and does Ranieri read his thread?
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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This is another disgusting attitude some members here show.

I hear a lot in the last day about Ranieri not being able to motivate the players, about the core players being super motivated against Inter and Milan and how that's the reason we're doing good against the big teams and more bla bla bla.

If you think about it you'll see that there is one great reason to attack Ranieri, but almost nobody attacks him for that and they attack the guy for wrong reasons.

1. Core players and motivation
- The general opinion here is that players are motivated against Milan and they do good but Ranieri can't motivate them against Lecce and they do bad.
Bullshit.
Yesterday we played a very good match. Look at our team. No Nedved, no Del Piero, No Sissoko, no Trezeguet. The core players argument goes down the drain.
And look who played. Are the "superstars" De Ceglie, Grygera, Legro, Molinaro, Zebina, Mellberg and Knezevic such big stars that they can underrate Lecce? Do the "mega stars" Marchionni, Zanetti, Poulsen, Marchisio, Giovinco need to be motivated to play against Lazio. Can they underrate Lazio? Do Iaquinta and Amauri, who only 1-2 years ago played for a mid-table team, now need super motivation to play against mid-table teams?
Nope. Motivation isn't the reason we play good against the big teams and bad against the weak teams.

Here is the problem. Against the stronger teams like Inter, Milan, Real, Chelsea, Roma we play much more careful. We play defensive and we're the passive team. That suits us. The defense is better protected because we don't push forward and we have the tools to play counter-attacks. The others find it hard to break us.
Ranieri did very good here. He gets a huge credit for this. It's not the players motivation that brings us good results here. Milan, Real and Inter are also super motivated against us and they have better players than we do. We do good against them because we outplay them tactically.

But against the weak teams, when we should be the active team, we should break the defenses, organize the game, set the tempo.....we suffer. Our defense isn't protected since we play more attacking football and we're killed on counters.
I blame Ranieri because in two years he couldn't do anything about this. He couldn't find a way to break these small teams without being punished on counters. He didn't buy the right players, especially in defense, in order to make beating the smaller teams easier and he did nothing to improve our possession play in midfield.

This is ladies and gentlemen where you should hit Ranieri. This is one huge weakness. No team will win anything with such mentality, where you do great only when you play careful and defensive. That's something that could work in Atalanta or Parma, but in Juve people are used to something else.
fuck you alen



:D another good post/point :pint:
 

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2008
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But we didn't even attack well against the smaller teams.
that is, because they do sit with eleven men behind the ball ... we tried to pressure them with our high defensive line, but the final balls were not delivered properly, because it is very difficult to cross or pass when you have so few space to play into.

against bigger teams we can exploit the space they give us, because they attack us. if the big teams would sit with eleven men behind the ball, then we would not win against them either.

so you could say, we use the "small team" tactic against the big ones, which works well, but does not work well against small teams that play the same tactic
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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that is, because they do sit with eleven men behind the ball ... we tried to pressure them with our high defensive line, but the final balls were not delivered properly, because it is very difficult to cross or pass when you have so few space to play into.

against bigger teams we can exploit the space they give us, because they attack us. if the big teams would sit with eleven men behind the ball, then we would not win against them either.

so you could say, we use the "small team" tactic against the big ones, which works well, but does not work well against small teams that play the same tactic
And also, we do lack technical midfielders who can open up defenses. It's easy to notice the difference with and without Camoranesi in the team.
Diego will indeed come handy for such situations.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
This is another disgusting attitude some members here show.

I hear a lot in the last day about Ranieri not being able to motivate the players, about the core players being super motivated against Inter and Milan and how that's the reason we're doing good against the big teams and more bla bla bla.

If you think about it you'll see that there is one great reason to attack Ranieri, but almost nobody attacks him for that and they attack the guy for wrong reasons.

1. Core players and motivation
- The general opinion here is that players are motivated against Milan and they do good but Ranieri can't motivate them against Lecce and they do bad.
Bullshit.
Yesterday we played a very good match. Look at our team. No Nedved, no Del Piero, No Sissoko, no Trezeguet. The core players argument goes down the drain.
And look who played. Are the "superstars" De Ceglie, Grygera, Legro, Molinaro, Zebina, Mellberg and Knezevic such big stars that they can underrate Lecce? Do the "mega stars" Marchionni, Zanetti, Poulsen, Marchisio, Giovinco need to be motivated to play against Lazio. Can they underrate Lazio? Do Iaquinta and Amauri, who only 1-2 years ago played for a mid-table team, now need super motivation to play against mid-table teams?
Nope. Motivation isn't the reason we play good against the big teams and bad against the weak teams.
Why sometimes some small teams are doing wonders against big teams? Haven't you seen the smaller teams' players putting their heads against the balls, running as much as they can, making up for their inferiority by trying as hard as they can ONLY when they face big teams? This is called motivation. Chievo could stop Inter this week and get beaten by a team of their own caliber (in a supposedly much easier match) in the next week.

Now we have some stars in our team. They've always been motivated against big teams but after Calciopoli they're SUPER motivated when they're playing the likes of Inter and Milan. We also have some mediocre players who are naturally driven in big matches as they always were at the times they were playing for mid-table teams. Ranieri has always had a team full of inspiration who wanted to prove something against the big teams. The difference between Juve and Chievo in this matter is that we are only a better team than them player wise.

But when we play against smaller teams like Lecce, our starts are normally not as motivated as the times they face big teams and our mediocre players are playing like the times they were playing with their former clubs against Lecce. They aren't as motivated as before as well. This is the the time Ranieri's lack of tact is exposing.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
52,574
Everything you say is fine and all, but i didn't say that motivation is not a factor at all.

But when we play against smaller teams like Lecce, our starts are normally not as motivated as the times they face big teams and our mediocre players are playing like the times they were playing with their former clubs against Lecce. They aren't as motivated as before as well. This is the the time Ranieri's lack of tact is exposing.
This is the case with every single big team, not just Juve. You think Inter's stars are motivated to play against Lecce? I doubt that even a motivator like Mourinho can motivate Zlatan against Lecce.
The tactics and the quality of the players should compensate for the lack of motivation.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
that is, because they do sit with eleven men behind the ball ... we tried to pressure them with our high defensive line, but the final balls were not delivered properly, because it is very difficult to cross or pass when you have so few space to play into.
Genoa didn't sit with eleven men behind the ball. Lecce didn't. Chievo didn't. Lazio didn't. Sampdoria didn't. And we didn't win those matches.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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Genoa didn't sit with eleven men behind the ball. Lecce didn't. Chievo didn't. Lazio didn't. Sampdoria didn't. And we didn't win those matches.
we lost/drew those games because of defensive mistakes, not for lack of trying or goals...as for Sampdoria, dunno what the hell is up. we have been struggling to beat them these last 2 seasons...their overcrowded MF doesn't help either
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
This is the case with every single big team, not just Juve. You think Inter's stars are motivated to play against Lecce? I doubt that even a motivator like Mourinho can motivate Zlatan against Lecce.
The tactics and the quality of the players should compensate for the lack of motivation.
You normally don't need to be motivated against the likes of Lecce in order to beat them IF you have a right coach with the right tactics there.
 

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