Claudio Ranieri (19 Viewers)

[dogsarecute]

I wonder how many of you are really as good as Ranieri.
"Amauri, we don't need him"
"Sissoko sucks. He can't even get into Liverpool's first team"
The fact is Ranieri is a good coach. He got Chelsea into the EPL elites, he do wonders with Parma, what he lacks is a title. His past teams lacked champions, but we do. The combination makes a good pair.

 

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[Eddy]

Agreed.

 

[olkiller]

you must be a great football manager (at least on the computer) to call someone who currently sits on second spot of the league a loser.

As far is I'm concerned, in case we end up second, yes he is a loser, Mr Sarcastic. Instead of trying to be a smartass, please take a long, hard look at the facts...If you can't figure it out by yourself, then just read a few in-depth analyses available on Tuttosport, Corriere Dello Sport, la Gazzetta...Everyone agrees that this season's turning point was the Napoli defeat, which was the last of a streak of disastrous results, mainly caused by Ranieri's poor tactics and management. Who said "If I had to choose the line-up based on fame, I should call up Boniperti"? Who said "I'm the manager, not the "talker" ", when asked to speak to important players such as Del Piero? Ranieri had all the veterans against him, and he eventually surrendered for the team's sake, otherwise he'd have been long sacked. We won a lot of games thanks to Del Piero's Free-kicks and strokes of genius, such as the assist against Fiorentina...Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. He won us exactly 21 points (check out yesterday's Tuttosport issue) in Serie A, and the 3 decisive games in the CL.

Come on, Nedved is useless right now and he still gets to play entire games? Giovinco plays 10 minutes at most? One famous Italian minister (of Justice if memory serves me right) admitted he switched off his TV when Ranieri replaced DP with...De Ceglie as we were held to a 1-1 draw against Napoli (we eventually lost 3-1!)

And no, Sir, I don't need to be a qualified manager to drop a few comments about the way our Juve is being managed. If one had to be as "good" as Ranieri to be allowed to criticize him, then all sport newspapers, websites, magazines, TV programs, should close shop immediately. I just want a better manager for our team. Someone like Lippi. a true Juventino can only be satisfied with victory. I feel Ranieri is going back to his arrogant ways, and this could spoil everything we've done so far.

 

[olkiller]

I wonder how many of you are really as good as Ranieri.
"Amauri, we don't need him"
"Sissoko sucks. He can't even get into Liverpool's first team"
The fact is Ranieri is a good coach. He got Chelsea into the EPL elites, he do wonders with Parma, what he lacks is a title. His past teams lacked champions, but we do. The combination makes a good pair.

You've got to be kidding me? the 2004 Chelsea side lacked champions? they were destroyed by MONACO, for god's sake...VALENCIA lacked champions?
Ranieri is an excellent coach for second rank clubs like Fiorentina and Parma. Not for sides like Juventus. Spalletti and Prandelli are far better coaches, although they're much younger.

 

[JCK]

You've got to be kidding me? the 2004 Chelsea side lacked champions? they were destroyed by MONACO, for god's sake...VALENCIA lacked champions?
Ranieri is an excellent coach for second rank clubs like Fiorentina and Parma. Not for sides like Juventus. Spalletti and Prandelli are far better coaches, although they're much younger.

How much younger and how much better?

 

[v1rtu4l]

just read a few in-depth analyses available on Tuttosport, Corriere Dello Sport, la Gazzetta...

so one should base the opinion on people that get paid to write stuff that other people would buy. hell, those journalists did probably never even touch a football by theirself. they are just spectators that try to analyze the game with their own kind of rules, but in fact watching football and playing football are different things. if you are a journalist and always just did watch football, than you have a totally different knowledge of the sport, which leads to funny conclusions like "hey, the coach should tell them to stop playing the offside trap" in the middle of the game ...

further do papers sell good when they claim something spectacular or attention raising ... if they just wrote "hey, ranieri is doing good. go on", no one would buy that paper, so it is in the nature of papers to raise attention through overexaggerating

Everyone agrees that this season's turning point was the Napoli defeat, which was the last of a streak of disastrous results, mainly caused by Ranieri's poor tactics and management.

ah, so these smart guys did miss out on the fact that there were a few injuries, so ranieri had to field another team all the time ?

Who said "If I had to choose the line-up based on fame, I should call up Boniperti"? Who said "I'm the manager, not the "talker" ", when asked to speak to important players such as Del Piero? Ranieri had all the veterans against him, and he eventually surrendered for the team's sake, otherwise he'd have been long sacked.

so you must be one of the famous drughi friends of bad ass, if you have so much information on whats going on in the locker ... interesting that no one ever gave the slightest hint that ranieri had problems with the players ... non of the players did even say something that could be interpreted this way ... but again ... i guess, you know better

We won a lot of games thanks to Del Piero's Free-kicks and strokes of genius, such as the assist against Fiorentina...Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. He won us exactly 21 points (check out yesterday's Tuttosport issue) in Serie A, and the 3 decisive games in the CL.

yeah, del piero did help alot, but at the same time at the start of the season (you remember, the time where we actually struggled) he was very selfish dribbling into to much defenders instead of just playing the damn ball to a better positioned teammate who could have had a chance to shoot ... but yeah, that is also ranieri fault ... how dare he to make training so that alex gets so selfish ...

Come on, Nedved is useless right now and he still gets to play entire games? Giovinco plays 10 minutes at most? One famous Italian minister (of Justice if memory serves me right) admitted he switched off his TV when Ranieri replaced DP with...De Ceglie as we were held to a 1-1 draw against Napoli (we eventually lost 3-1!)

so 3 goals and 5 assists is useless...
so again this famous italian minister of justice must have huge football knowledge ... do you always here on the opinion of people that never kicked a ball ?

And no, Sir, I don't need to be a qualified manager to drop a few comments about the way our Juve is being managed. If one had to be as "good" as Ranieri to be allowed to criticize him, then all sport newspapers, websites, magazines, TV programs, should close shop immediately. I just want a better manager for our team. Someone like Lippi. a true Juventino can only be satisfied with victory. I feel Ranieri is going back to his arrogant ways, and this could spoil everything we've done so far.

yeah, you may critizise him for sure, but your standpoint does not sound very objective/rational ...

 

[Amaurisimo]

You've got to be kidding me? the 2004 Chelsea side lacked champions? they were destroyed by MONACO, for god's sake...VALENCIA lacked champions?
Ranieri is an excellent coach for second rank clubs like Fiorentina and Parma. Not for sides like Juventus. Spalletti and Prandelli are far better coaches, although they're much younger.

i think you are the one who trying to make fun of yourself here..

about Monaco game, Ranieri addmited mistake when he done subs, but actually it could work very well and maybe he would be hero..However, CR took blame instead of Veron xxxx...

in return leg, Monaco did not destroy Chelsea, actually 5 minutes before end of 1st half Chelsea were leading 2:0..

Than if you can't remember , it was foul on Hasselebaink and Monaco scored, by HAND.

So there it goes ...looser

 

[olkiller]

i think you are the one who trying to make fun of yourself here..

about Monaco game, Ranieri addmited mistake when he done subs, but actually it could work very well and maybe he would be hero..However, CR took blame instead of Veron xxxx...

in return leg, Monaco did not destroy Chelsea, actually 5 minutes before end of 1st half Chelsea were leading 2:0..

Than if you can't remember , it was foul on Hasselebaink and Monaco scored, by HAND.

So there it goes ...looser

Wow, this is very convincing. Sorry.
So the subs he did during the game could have worked (but they didn't), and Chelsea could have won (but they lost 3-1 to a much weaker side managed by a young manager like Deschamps), and Ranieri could have been hailed as a winner, you know, like Lippi, Benitez, Trappatoni, Ancelotti?(but he's a loser and never won any major trophy in over 20 years). And please do no insult me. Think instead.

 

[olkiller]

so one should base the opinion on people that get paid to write stuff that other people would buy. hell, those journalists did probably never even touch a football by theirself. they are just spectators that try to analyze the game with their own kind of rules, but in fact watching football and playing football are different things. if you are a journalist and always just did watch football, than you have a totally different knowledge of the sport, which leads to funny conclusions like "hey, the coach should tell them to stop playing the offside trap" in the middle of the game ...

further do papers sell good when they claim something spectacular or attention raising ... if they just wrote "hey, ranieri is doing good. go on", no one would buy that paper, so it is in the nature of papers to raise attention through overexaggerating


ah, so these smart guys did miss out on the fact that there were a few injuries, so ranieri had to field another team all the time ?


so you must be one of the famous drughi friends of bad ass, if you have so much information on whats going on in the locker ... interesting that no one ever gave the slightest hint that ranieri had problems with the players ... non of the players did even say something that could be interpreted this way ... but again ... i guess, you know better



yeah, del piero did help alot, but at the same time at the start of the season (you remember, the time where we actually struggled) he was very selfish dribbling into to much defenders instead of just playing the damn ball to a better positioned teammate who could have had a chance to shoot ... but yeah, that is also ranieri fault ... how dare he to make training so that alex gets so selfish ...


so 3 goals and 5 assists is useless...
so again this famous italian minister of justice must have huge football knowledge ... do you always here on the opinion of people that never kicked a ball ?



yeah, you may critizise him for sure, but your standpoint does not sound very objective/rational ...

Either you are in bad faith, or you have serious trouble understanding simple statements. I dot not base my judgment on the newspapers, I recommended you look at the facts all by yourself and form your own judgment, and if you still couldn't, then just read the papers which ALL agreed that Ranieri was poorly managing the team. And just so you know, Mourinho actually never played football, neither did Gerard Houiller, so what? Plus, the best players rarely become the best managers...Lippi, Capello, Trapattoni, Benitez were hardly great players in their time. God knows I often disagree with the so-called football analysts, but I can't help but disagree with you if you dismiss their judgment or opinion just because they never player professional football. Focus on their point, not their background or personality. This is important in life. But you know best.
As for injuries, I admit that Ranieri wasn't lucky and had to manage a difficult situation. But come on, Nedved has been LAME for quite a few games now (Fiorentina, Lazio) and still got to play all the time. He needs to rest. Giovinco needs to play. Not calling up DP against Udinese, and put him at least on the bench (you know he needs just ONE free-kick) is very risky. As for the tensions inside the locker room in september/october, I won't even try to convince you. Del Piero was selfish? that is just laughable. So Messi is selfish too, right?

 

[Amaurisimo]

Wow, this is very convincing. Sorry.
So the subs he did during the game could have worked (but they didn't), and Chelsea could have won (but they lost 3-1 to a much weaker side managed by a young manager like Deschamps), and Ranieri could have been hailed as a winner, you know, like Lippi, Benitez, Trappatoni, Ancelotti?(but he's a loser and never won any major trophy in over 20 years). And please do no insult me. Think instead.

yes, subs sometimes work and sometimes don't. Also on same day Kenyon met with Jose, just to refresh ur memory.
Many times last season we had IQ coming on late and scoring, so..

i dont insult u, i just say how it is..

 

[olkiller]

How much younger and how much better?

I could've said Rijkaard, Mourinho...

 

[olkiller]

yes, subs sometimes work and sometimes don't. Also on same day Kenyon met with Jose, just to refresh ur memory.
Many times last season we had IQ coming on late and scoring, so..

i dont insult u, i just say how it is..

Yes, just like Gianni Agnelli called Lippi straight after Juventus-Roma (2-2 after we led by 2-0)...

 

[Raz]

Dont know about trapatoni and banitez, but Capello was good, and lippi wasnt very bad eather. And ofcourse not all great coaches were great players, but certenatly there are many great couches who were great(Rijkaard, Beckenbauer, Zoff and etc.)

 

[Amaurisimo]

I could've said Rijkaard, Mourinho...

i like to have Ferrari but i drive smaller car.. Same with our club, there is no money we could pay for Jose..You live in dreamland my friend

 

[icemaη]

Not to mention that Mourinho isn't exactly setting the stage on fire in Serie A... Whereas Ranieri has done really well to put Juve in second place on the table... But some people will never agree... For them, we are in second place because of our players... But when we lose, its the coaches fault completely...

 

[The Arif]

I could've said Rijkaard, Mourinho...

But you said Prandelli and Spalletti.

 

[olkiller]

But you said Prandelli and Spalletti.

Simple question: had either Spalletti or Prandelli been available, would you choose them over Ranieri or not?

 

[icemaη]

Simple question: had either Spalletti or Prandelli been available, would you choose them over Ranieri or not?

Okay, you can answer this question instead... Would you pick Prandelli or Spalletti over Ranieri now?

 

[v1rtu4l]

Dont know about trapatoni and banitez, but Capello was good, and lippi wasnt very bad eather. And ofcourse not all great coaches were great players, but certenatly there are many great couches who were great(Rijkaard, Beckenbauer, Zoff and etc.)

you do not need to be a pro soccer player to be a good coach or to have knowledge, but you have to at least have played soccer for a few years, because other way you don't know what it is to be a football player and would not know, that you can not tell a player what he exactly has to do in every situations and you can not tell a player "don't play high balls when under pressure, play the ball low", because if the player does what he is not used to, it often ends much worse ... e.g. losing the ball to an opponent...

but how should you know such things if the only information about football is from seeing it ... you yourself blamed that ranieri would have told our players to play high balls in the end of a game ... that is just ridiculous, because why should he say that ?

do you think he said "he listen, i know we owned them playing short passes, but NOW we will destroy them playing high balls !!!" ???


it is not all football manager style, where you can click "pause" and change the settings, uncheck the "offside trap" box and so on ... welcome to the real life

 

[olkiller]

Okay, you can answer this question instead... Would you pick Prandelli or Spalletti over Ranieri now?

No, because this would disrupt the team's dynamics. But for next season, any time. We are freaking JUVENTUS.