i think ranieri talked about the end of the transfers to make Arif shutup who talked about diego done deal
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That was a joke, douchebag.
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well you're partly right. but still, i don't think we have a creativity problem (at least not THAT MUCH of a problem as many of you think). Of course, if you consider the worst case scenario, camo injured/suspended, Neddy out and giovinco not up to it/suspended/whatever... well then yes, then we might have a problem, but still. We have a marchionni who could do the job for one or two games (and let's not forget machisio too). At this moment, i think even then, we could succeed, because in a game like the torino-juve game you named, we could play the trident (they weren't attacking anyway), so forcing they're midfielders to play deeper, creating space for someone like Zanetti/Tiago or even Poulsen to deliver the balls. (all this considering that Camo, Neddy AND giovinco are out). I think if we have to, we could as well do well like that.
I don't want to make it any better than it is. Let's face reality, our squad is miles behind ManU or Chelsea, we're FAR from winning a CL. Everyone who expects us to win CL this year is just out of his mind. But i don't think that alonso would have changed that fact. All i have to say is that, overall, i think we did a decent job in the mercato. Especially by getting $$$ out of our youths has earned my respect. For years now, we've raised young italian talents. We've scouted them, bought them, loaned them out, only to loose them at some point, when they just didn't reach the expectations. NOW, even if we aren't the full owner of those players anymore, we did at least get some money out of our work.
considering this, i think we shouldn't be too hard to our board.
I don't want to make it any better than it is. Let's face reality, our squad is miles behind ManU or Chelsea, we're FAR from winning a CL. Everyone who expects us to win CL this year is just out of his mind. But i don't think that alonso would have changed that fact. All i have to say is that, overall, i think we did a decent job in the mercato. Especially by getting $$$ out of our youths has earned my respect. For years now, we've raised young italian talents. We've scouted them, bought them, loaned them out, only to loose them at some point, when they just didn't reach the expectations. NOW, even if we aren't the full owner of those players anymore, we did at least get some money out of our work.
considering this, i think we shouldn't be too hard to our board.
Vimo got it spot on.That is actually the basic point.We do lack creativity,but the situtation isnt as drastic as the creativity camp makes you believe.True,Alonso would have been a massive upgrade on our squad,but not signing him does not mean that we'd be completley blank.We do need creativity in the CL to unlock opposing defences in crunch situations,we do need someone who can give that one defence splitting pass that would make the difference between a win or a draw,but we do have Giovinco who is capable of doing that.Not signing Alonso means that Ranieri trusts Giovinco's skill and is willing to give him and our other youngsters like De Ceglie and Marchisio a chance.Its very conveinent for us to sit here and act all knowledegable about what the managment wants or what they have in mind.You people act like the managment is trying to fuck Juventus up on purpose.Grow up for crying out loud!They want results too.Do you think they enjoy getting sweared upon by the fans?Do you think they enjoy getting heat from the fans?Even if they dont love Juvents,they'd still want to succeed...if not for the club,then atelast for their own Resumes.People end up trashing Secco because he hasnt made the right transfers,yet no one is willing to give him credit for the Sissoko transfer which he carried out despite fan protests,and it worked out great for us.Yes he was wanted by Ranieri,but Secco executed it.People will jump on the 'Moggi did this,blah blah'.Sure,Moggi was great at transfers,but at 38,Secco is in the thick of things at Juventus,while at 38,Moggi was working as a railway station caretaker.Comparing what a 38 year old is achieving in his first major job at Juventus is a zillion times different to what a 50 something EXPERIENCED guy achievied in the last major job of his career at Juventus.
...Sissoko, Amauri, ... why leave away the good things? Ever thought of what he did with our young prospects? he actually monetized them, something moggi was not capable of. Stop bashing secco... i agree that almiron was a flop, tiago probably also. (but it's not like we lost everything because of those 2. They didn't play, we did good also without them - we can sell them any time) Andrade was just bad luck.
Go on and praise moggi, he'll take you back to serie-b - with alonso, flamini and milito.
Go on and praise moggi, he'll take you back to serie-b - with alonso, flamini and milito.
umm...when did I say I was in support of Moggi? I always felt that he was a douchebag...Amauri is yet to prove himself, although initial indications are that he will be a great signing...but again was he a necessity? What did we need more, a striker or a creative midfielder, or even a CB to partner Chiellini?
ok i'm sorry; but it's usually the next thing that comes out. "secco sucks, i want moggi" is like the usual sh*t. And you're right, amauri needs to prove himself but i think he might be the best possible (achievable) signing for juve's forward section at this moment. Was he a priority? HELL YES, with palladino leaving we'd have been left with 3 strikers, with an ageing del piero and an injury-prone trez. Of course a striker was needed.
and to the CB:
How do we need a CB? it's only now that andrade is injured again that 'maybe' we could think about another CB, but otherwise.... chiellini, legrottaglie, Knezevic, Mellberg. That sounds ok to me. 4 people for 2 positions.
IF we wanted to strengthen our squad we could have looked for someone who can play both LB and RB, but even that is not that necessary imo. Go find someone like that anyway...
and to the CB:
How do we need a CB? it's only now that andrade is injured again that 'maybe' we could think about another CB, but otherwise.... chiellini, legrottaglie, Knezevic, Mellberg. That sounds ok to me. 4 people for 2 positions.
IF we wanted to strengthen our squad we could have looked for someone who can play both LB and RB, but even that is not that necessary imo. Go find someone like that anyway...
ok i'm sorry; but it's usually the next thing that comes out. "secco sucks, i want moggi" is like the usual sh*t. And you're right, amauri needs to prove himself but i think he might be the best possible (achievable) signing for juve's forward section at this moment. Was he a priority? HELL YES, with palladino leaving we'd have been left with 3 strikers, with an ageing del piero and an injury-prone trez. Of course a striker was needed.
and to the CB:
How do we need a CB? it's only now that andrade is injured again that 'maybe' we could think about another CB, but otherwise.... chiellini, legrottaglie, Knezevic, Mellberg. That sounds ok to me. 4 people for 2 positions.
IF we wanted to strengthen our squad we could have looked for someone who can play both LB and RB, but even that is not that necessary imo. Go find someone like that anyway...
and to the CB:
How do we need a CB? it's only now that andrade is injured again that 'maybe' we could think about another CB, but otherwise.... chiellini, legrottaglie, Knezevic, Mellberg. That sounds ok to me. 4 people for 2 positions.
IF we wanted to strengthen our squad we could have looked for someone who can play both LB and RB, but even that is not that necessary imo. Go find someone like that anyway...
me too, i think we'll be okay in the CB. i think we have the right components for a solid team this season...it just matters how it is all put together on the field. the tactics of the team will be even more important this year than ever before with connecting our overly-defensive midfield with arguably the best attack in europe.
just about the creativity discussion, obviously i think there was an issue last year as on many occasions we looked out of ideas and we couldn't unlock defenses. However i don't think that Xabi Alonso would have been the ultimate answer for that problem. Sure he is a good passer of the ball and a player that could hold the whole midfield on his shoulders but our problem lied in penetration and a true play maker in the midfield. We had a few players that could create something and marking them just destroyed us last year.
This year although we didn't get many creative forces, we at least home more attacking and creative options to introduce. Gio and Amauri are the biggest then come in Marchisio and De Ceglie. I think they are pretty good options if they are employed correctly and especially the youngesters as we don't want another criscito situation.
This year although we didn't get many creative forces, we at least home more attacking and creative options to introduce. Gio and Amauri are the biggest then come in Marchisio and De Ceglie. I think they are pretty good options if they are employed correctly and especially the youngesters as we don't want another criscito situation.
You don't know that whatsoever. That's what one would call a crap shoot.
We don't even know if Ranieri will start Giovinco.
Fact is, we have the same amount of creativity as we did when Capello was in charge, just with our key players being older now.
And we saw how far that got our sorry asses in Europe.
We don't even know if Ranieri will start Giovinco.
Fact is, we have the same amount of creativity as we did when Capello was in charge, just with our key players being older now.
And we saw how far that got our sorry asses in Europe.