Claudio Marchisio (73 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

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i had EPL from 200 to 2009 on free tv, 4-5 games a week sometimes. i think i watched as much EPL games as i did Serie A. so yeah, saw enough of both Pirlo and Scholes and Pirlo was better. also, quotes from players mean shit, stop bringing that up

I'm not surprised that you say this. On every discussion, you go for the fancy flairfull thingies.

Scholes was not flair and fancy at all, aside from his extremely long ranged passing and shooting maybe. But i havent seen a player who could lift those around him remotely as much since.

You offcourse dont like counter arguments. Truth is that an astonishing amount of big stars/legends went out of their way to state the incredibly talent that he was.


Scholes is the exact polar opposite of Pogba in alot of ways

 

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[zizinho]

I'm not surprised that you say this. On every discussion, you go for the fancy flairfull thingies.

Scholes was not flair and fancy at all, aside from his extremely long ranged passing and shooting maybe. But i havent seen a player who could lift those around him remotely as much since.

You offcourse dont like counter arguments. Truth is that an astonishing amount of big stars/legends went out of their way to state the incredibly talent that he was.


Scholes is the exact polar opposite of Pogba in alot of ways

1. lol
2. thanks for describing Scholes to me, i never had any idea what kind of player he is
3. post quotes please.
4. who cares about Pogba, this is about Pirlo v Scholes

 

[IliveForJuve]

This article should end the discussion.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...cellent-player-but-no-xavi-or-zinedine-zidane

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Scholes is the main reason for UTD success under Ferguson after Ferguson himself, case closed

 

[zizinho]

No. Case closed

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

No. Case closed

League Goals Only

Scholes: 107

Pirlo: 50

Xavi: 52

League assists only

Scholes: 138

Pirlo: 42

Xavi: 66

Major trophies only

Scholes: 18

Pirlo: 8

Xavi: 15

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But what do they know?

 

[ladstone]

Marchiso's best season in the regista role for us (2015/16) vs Pirlo's worst (2014/15):
Assists: Marchisio 2, Pirlo 5
Keypasses per game: chisio 1, Pirlo 2.2
Avg # of passes per game: chisio 63.5, Pirlo 72.7
Pass success %: marchisio 88.5% , Pirlo 89.2%
Dispossessed: chisio 0.7, Pirlo 0.7
Tackles: marchisio 2.1, Pirlo 1.6
Interceptions: chisio 2.8, Pirlo 1.5


So when you look at the stats for both, chisio at his best in a full regista role season playing 352 vs Pirlo at his worst changing between 4312 & 352, Pirlo passed the ball much more frequently, was slightly more reliable passer (less mispasses per game), much more penetrative passer, and was as frequently dispossessed holding the ball as chisio. Chisio was much better in winning the ball back when someone else had lost it other than himself and in intercepting opposition passes.

So the reality is that you are heavily exaggerating when you consider him unstable magic. He was at his worst less likely to lose the ball by a miss-pass or by being tackled. The distance becomes even larger when you look at Pirlo's best season as regista 11/12. He made 13 assists, 3.4 keypasses (chisio's 1), 86.4 passes per game (chisio's 63.5).

So PI is right, Pirlo's god mode is just that God mode. Probably best regista in history and obviously better than chisio by a margin. We felt he regressed because he actually did regress compared to his own old standards. He was still a great regista (we wouldnt have made it all the way if he was $#@! like hernanes/lemina) just not as good as what we got used to from him. He certainly was no unstable magic. He was as unstable as chisio was last season, which is pretty $#@!ing stable if you ask me. Our defensive record throughout the pirlo era was very good under both coaches every year.

Stat means something sometimes, but sometime not

 

[zizinho]

Somehow Pirlo who had what, 15 assists in 2012 alone only has 42 through out his career. Maybe you should count the ones from his Milan years too. And the quotes from coaches and players, they mean shit. What matter to me in my judgement is what I saw on the pitch from both, not what some former players say, or looking at stats like you do

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Stat means something sometimes, but sometime not

Pirlo in 2012 was the best mid in the world. Marchisio in 14/15 and 15/16 was fantastic, but not comparable to Andrea who made it to the balon dor shortlist that year

 

[il brutto]

Pirlo was better than Scholes. Don't be crazy.

Yeah and it's not even close.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

fuck ginger pubes

 

[duranfj]

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Zidane is lenghts ahead of both Pirlo and Xavi, but considered Scholes better then himself.


Scholes. Considered by a grand majority to be the best player in the EPL since Best. Considered better then Christiano Ronaldo by all their teammates when they were at united



Most underrated player in history outside England.

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Now you mention it, did we ever score from a short corner ? Cant recall once

Paul was a beast, no doubt about It. I still remember how Manu was struggling the first time he did retire and Sir Alex begged him to came back. Final resulta: another Manu tittle

I still rate Pirlo higher. He could end his carecer with better stats if he would have gone with Pep when he asked him to join Farca.

I recalled Morata told after Monaco-Juventus game that Pirlo said him in the tunnel that when he got the first ball in the second half just run as hard as you can, Morata did and when he looked back the ball was coming into his feets. Andrea was special

 

[Hist]

Yeah and it's not even close.

I can't think of a single aspect of the game where scholes was better than Xavi, let alone Pirlo. He is on par with Alonso in my books but with insane longevity and at one winning club which made him a symbol.

No regista could ever transform a team the way Pirlo did to us (and Italy) in 2011/12. That was simply a new level for registas.

 

[zizinho]

And Scholes was a great mid, no ones denying that. But better than Pirlo whos the best CM of his generation? Absolutely not, no matter how many quotes of former players one posts

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Scholes was on the top level for a lot of more years than Pirlo, the most underrated CM in the history of the game

 

[Hist]

Scholes was on the top level for a lot of more years than Pirlo, the most underrated CM in the history of the game

Scholes had insane longeivity. He was great pretty much from the time he nailed a spot in united's starting 11 till he retired. That is not to say that Pirlo did not have longevity it just wasn't as long. Pirlo built a legacy at two different clubs he was pretty much on top for a long long time too and for most of that time was rightly rated higher than scholes. Xavi had the least years at the top top level but his peak (the pep years) is still substantially better than scholes'.

Giggs had great longevity too but he was nowhere as good during his peak years as Nedved, Robben, Ribery, Ronaldo, ronaldinho, kaka when they peaked. His years in form is probably longer than 2 or 3 of them combined though.

 

[PedroFlu]

I never followed United closely, but I always had the impression that Scholes, despite immensely talented, had some discontituity.

I remember seeing him making wonderful passes, but also fucking it up a lot too. I remember games where he would miss a lot.. he just seemed to lose focus at part of games, or stg like that.

He was also excessively vicious at times.

 

[pitbull]

I always thought that Scholes, while seemingly limited as a player, managed to be a great leader for United, many times even rising to the occasion with clutch goal or assist when players way more capable than him couldn't get through the defense. I'd say the guy feels so underrated in the eyes of many that over time he has become overrated, kind of like when half of the forum starts to obsess about a decent footballer who is not getting enough recognition and has everyone believing that Tremoulinas is the best in his position in Europe

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I watched 90's early 00's United quite a lot, Scholes was a great player in a fantastic team that dominated a league for a long time. It was like being in Pep's Barcelona. He wasn't that technical, a bit on the violent side but definitely had a brain. English football then was pretty much run, run, run (Yes, even more) and he was up to the job. I remember him being very physical as well.

Pirlo had a little more to his game, technically speaking, but wasn't as complete. But then that's not how you compare, Ronaldinho had a short "active" career but nobody that ever played Professional football gets close to the level of talent that guy, to what he could do. So for talent alone I'd pick Pirlo. For any other reasons, Scholes.

 

[Elvin]

Pirlo invented a position in football all by and for himself. Enough said.

 

[Mark]

Ventura wants to call him up and play him vs Liechtenstein.