[CL] Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 JUVENTUS [March 7th 2018] (30 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

I'm gonna try and find some stats for you, but I was mainly referring to the nature of the teams that won the competition over the past decade and how they favor a more attacking approach and score more goals.

Yes, I do realize correlation doesn't imply causation, and defensive minded teams in Chelsea and Inter have won the competition with a more conservative approach. Nonetheless, deploying a more attacking approach is likely to yield better results.

I think you have to take into account spending power. Whether we could spend more than we do or not, our ownership and management don't seem to want to.

Teams that win the CL playing attacking football are the richest clubs in football. Building an attack-minded team that is capable of winning CL is far more expensive than building a defensive-minded team that can get to the final and hopefully nab one. Unfortunately, or revenue and spending pattern makes it far more likely for us to have European success with the defensive-minded approach.

Of course this also makes it very unlikely we'll ever be outright favourites in a CL final, and our style won't be as aesthetically pleasing, but it also means we will be a contender unlike similar revenue/selling to buy clubs that try to win playing attacking football against teams with better attackers and get smashed every time.

 

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[pitbull]

Winning the CL ugly wont make a big difference to our revenue standing. We need what ronaldinho did to barca. The entire world tuned in to see him. Their whole marketing was around him and the football style they used put him at the center of everything. If we win the CL by some miracle playing our current style, our revenue level will remain low just like it was for Inter.

Inter fucked up like only they know how, I think theyd have become much bigger if they hadnt self destructed. And our style isnt ugly, plenty of people appreciate a good oiled machine thats indestructible

 

[Maddy]

I'm gonna try and find some stats for you, but I was mainly referring to the nature of the teams that won the competition over the past decade and how they favor a more attacking approach and score more goals.

Yes, I do realize correlation doesn't imply causation, and defensive minded teams in Chelsea and Inter have won the competition with a more conservative approach. Nonetheless, deploying a more attacking approach is likely to yield better results.

Yeah, don't bother looking for the stats, 'cause you won't find valid data supporting your claim.

 

[Vialli_92]

Inter fucked up like only they know how, I think theyd have become much bigger if they hadnt self destructed. And our style isnt ugly, plenty of people appreciate a good oiled machine thats indestructible

They only won because of Calciopoli and having free reign on Serie A since we were significantly weakened

They had quite a lot of luck along the way getting some favourable ref decisions in key games

I'm glad they are where they are now and long may they remain

 

[IliveForJuve]

We didn't always play like shit under Allegri. The last 2 months or so Juventus has been painful to watch.

Is it too much to ask that we play better football?

 

[Xperd]

If Juve wins CL playing 'ugly' football , all it needs is a dedicated marketing campaign. Like say Dybala goes on to have a major impact, his marketability explodes and in turn attracts new fans kinda like how we got attracted to Juve through Del Piero or Nedved. But if we sell him instead, all that effort would turn out to be meaningless.

 

[Post Ironic]

We didn't always play like shit under Allegri. The last 2 months or so Juventus has been painful to watch.

Is it too much to ask that we play better football?

I think that's in large part that we have quite a number of out-of-form or injured players.

We played quite attractive and dominant football from late January to May last season with the 4-2-3-1 and Mandzukic, Khedira, and Cuadrado on the pitch. Unfortunately this year Mandzukic and Khedira have been in mostly horrendous form, and Cuadrado has been injured for quite a while. And now with Bernadeschi out we lose another option to replace Cuadrado. Add in Dybala and Higuain injuries and drops of form and it's easy to see why our attack hasn't gelled yet.

I'd say Dougie C and Dybala should be on the pitch together in every big game now. We need that creativity and skill. And if Mandzu is in bad form, play Alex Sandro further forward.

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If Juve wins CL playing 'ugly' football , all it needs is a dedicated marketing campaign. Like say Dybala goes on to have a major impact, his marketability explodes and in turn attracts new fans kinda like how we got attracted to Juve through Del Piero or Nedved. But if we sell him instead, all that effort would turn out to be meaningless.

 

[Gian]

Buffon
Barzagli Benatia Chiellini Alex Sandro
Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Dybala Douglas Costa
Higuain​

Please no Asamoah - Alex Sandro left side

 

[Bianconero81]

I think you have to take into account spending power. Whether we could spend more than we do or not, our ownership and management don't seem to want to.

Teams that win the CL playing attacking football are the richest clubs in football. Building an attack-minded team that is capable of winning CL is far more expensive than building a defensive-minded team that can get to the final and hopefully nab one. Unfortunately, or revenue and spending pattern makes it far more likely for us to have European success with the defensive-minded approach.

Of course this also makes it very unlikely we'll ever be outright favourites in a CL final, and our style won't be as aesthetically pleasing, but it also means we will be a contender unlike similar revenue/selling to buy clubs that try to win playing attacking football against teams with better attackers and get smashed every time.

Of course, I realize we are limited by our spending power, but I also look at Bayern and I want to deploy a model similar to theirs. They don't overspend, manage to maintain their key performers/stars, and still remain competitive. Of course it'd be great if Serie A explodes like the EPL and we end up having 200-300 million to spend every summer (Inter can then become like Arsenal ), but until that day comes, if it ever does, we should be looking to Bayern as an example.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Of course, I realize we are limited by our spending power, but I also look at Bayern and I want to deploy a model similar to theirs. They don't overspend, manage to maintain their key performers/stars, and still remain competitive. Of course it'd be great if Serie A explodes like the EPL and we end up having 200-300 million to spend every summer (Inter can then become like Arsenal ), but until that day comes, if it ever does, we should be looking to Bayern as an example.

 

[Xperd]

Of course, I realize we are limited by our spending power, but I also look at Bayern and I want to deploy a model similar to theirs. They don't overspend, manage to maintain their key performers/stars, and still remain competitive. Of course it'd be great if Serie A explodes like the EPL and we end up having 200-300 million to spend every summer (Inter can then become like Arsenal ), but until that day comes, if it ever does, we should be looking to Bayern as an example.

Bayern 'spend less' because BL teams just bend over to them and sell their best players for below market level prices. Juventus dont enjoy those provisions. But hopefully their new TV deal changes things.

 

[Bianconero81]

Bayern 'spend less' because BL teams just bend over to them and sell their best players for below market level prices. Juventus dont enjoy those provisions. But hopefully their new TV deal changes things.

In that case, we should be taking risks on exciting young talents from South America and Eastern Europe. I know they aren't as cheap as they used to be, but spending 50-60 million on two players while selling some dead-weight should give us a solid base to work with.

 

[IliveForJuve]

And we also have a shitty youth academy.

 

[Amer]

Let's draw this 3-3.

 

[MikeM]

Of course, I realize we are limited by our spending power, but I also look at Bayern and I want to deploy a model similar to theirs. They don't overspend, manage to maintain their key performers/stars, and still remain competitive. Of course it'd be great if Serie A explodes like the EPL and we end up having 200-300 million to spend every summer (Inter can then become like Arsenal ), but until that day comes, if it ever does, we should be looking to Bayern as an example.

Isn't this basically what we do?

The biggest problem we face is Italian players are shit compared to German. It's obviously easier to hold onto domestic players as opposed to the Pogba and Vidals.

We held Marchisio, Buffon, Chiellini, Barzagli just like they held Neuer, Mueller, Lahm.

If more top class Italians existed, we could buy them and hold them.

 

[Bianconero81]

Isn't this basically what we do?

The biggest problem we face is Italian players are shit compared to German. It's obviously easier to hold onto domestic players as opposed to the Pogba and Vidals.

We held Marchisio, Buffon, Chiellini, Barzagli just like they held Neuer, Mueller, Lahm.

If more top class Italians existed, we could buy them and hold them.

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They have also managed to hold onto their top level foreign players in Ribery, Robben, and Lewa. I'm also quite sure James and Tolisso will be there long term.

I'm not saying break our wage structure or spend insane amounts on transfer fees, but adjust slightly to remain competitive. If the net wages for a top level player in the EPL are 13-15 million, make sure we can offer something in the region of 10.

 

[juve123]

FC Bayern München AG has set a new financial record for the 2016/17 season, with revenue reaching a new high of €640.458 million. The profit margin has also progressed in a hugely positive manner as pre-tax profits have increased by 22.2 per cent to €66.2 million. Post-tax profits were €39.19 million, which is an increase of 18.6 per cent on the previous year.

Jan-Christian Dreesen, Chief Financial Officer of FC Bayern München AG, explained, “Our failure to progress beyond the quarter-final of the Champions League against Real Madrid and not reaching the DFB Cup final cost us around €25 million. However, we were still able to make gains and remain one of the top clubs in Europe financially. What is more important than the increase in revenue is that our profit margin has increased. In this regard we saw doube-digit improvements in all important indicators. Revenue streams remain even, which leaves us confident going forward independent of any dependencies.”

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Chairman of FC Bayern München AG, sees the strong financial results once again as “a good example for legitimate and solid financial policies.” Rummenigge (62) has led FC Bayern München AG since its founding 15 years ago. “Our initial revenue of €162.7 million has now quadrupled and membership numbers have trebled to 290,000,” he said. “Our decision, despite concerns from some, to make the football department a public limited company in 2002 was not just an important step in the construction of the stadium but also spot-on and pioneering.”

Despite a rapid development in the football financial market with transfer fees now in the hundreds of millions, the Chairman reaffirmed the sporting aspirations of FC Bayern: “We want to be German champions, and we also want to compete for the Champions League title.” For the 2017/18 season, FC Bayern “spent €100 million on new players, which is a lot of money from our perspective. We have a clear strategy and philosophy, which we continue to implement.”

Rummenigge reiterated that FC Bayern München’s new youth development centre will “bring through young talent, but we also have to continue finding and signing the right players in the transfer market.”

 

[Bianconero81]

You should probably post this in The Bundesliga thread

 

[juve123]

You should probably post this in The Bundesliga thread

No it is just to show why Bayern Munich can afford offer high wages to their players they are far ahead of us in financial resources and we are too far behind them

 

[Hist]

FC Bayern München AG has set a new financial record for the 2016/17 season, with revenue reaching a new high of €640.458 million. The profit margin has also progressed in a hugely positive manner as pre-tax profits have increased by 22.2 per cent to €66.2 million. Post-tax profits were €39.19 million, which is an increase of 18.6 per cent on the previous year.

Jan-Christian Dreesen, Chief Financial Officer of FC Bayern München AG, explained, “Our failure to progress beyond the quarter-final of the Champions League against Real Madrid and not reaching the DFB Cup final cost us around €25 million. However, we were still able to make gains and remain one of the top clubs in Europe financially. What is more important than the increase in revenue is that our profit margin has increased. In this regard we saw doube-digit improvements in all important indicators. Revenue streams remain even, which leaves us confident going forward independent of any dependencies.”

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Chairman of FC Bayern München AG, sees the strong financial results once again as “a good example for legitimate and solid financial policies.” Rummenigge (62) has led FC Bayern München AG since its founding 15 years ago. “Our initial revenue of €162.7 million has now quadrupled and membership numbers have trebled to 290,000,” he said. “Our decision, despite concerns from some, to make the football department a public limited company in 2002 was not just an important step in the construction of the stadium but also spot-on and pioneering.”

Despite a rapid development in the football financial market with transfer fees now in the hundreds of millions, the Chairman reaffirmed the sporting aspirations of FC Bayern: “We want to be German champions, and we also want to compete for the Champions League title.” For the 2017/18 season, FC Bayern “spent €100 million on new players, which is a lot of money from our perspective. We have a clear strategy and philosophy, which we continue to implement.”

Rummenigge reiterated that FC Bayern München’s new youth development centre will “bring through young talent, but we also have to continue finding and signing the right players in the transfer market.”

This! Now imagine if they played our brand of football (from this season or most of the last one)