(CL)Juventus vs Werder Bremen (3 Viewers)

[denco]

again a really good post

- abt the serie A, well this season aswell..i think its one of the toughest. Look at teams like Sampa,livorno,palermo,at the begining there was udinese,viola,as well as the 5 big teams.Only cuz we managed to brush aside these teams, doesnt mean they r easy.. milan and inter had problems with all these teams, thats why we have the 10 point lead.Cuz these teams and others managed to stop the big teams.So i think we still have a tough League.

-abt cap, although zeman set the foundations for the team, he couldn't get the precious scudetto.Cap went there and he had the glamorous style of football and won the league in style imo.
Abt milan, and how he couldn't fail...well some managers couldn't handle the big names and their teams still failed, but he knew how to handle them and again with him they were almost unstoppobale.
And Sacchi is a legend, and he showed he knows how to deal with the Knockout style championships, as he took the azzuri to final of 94.

-abt mourinho, i was talking to a friend abt him, and he said something abt him being Inflexible, as u didnt see him changing chelsea's formation in two seasons.Both in the EPL and CL.Although they weren't doing that well some games at the season.
In the first and 2nd barca games there were soo many mistakes in his tactics and the less experienced Rijjkard just taught him a lesson.
In the first game, when he was one man down, why the hell would he get Shawn Right Philips in ? When he could've just played for the draw, as he is one man down, Maniche would've been a better choice imo.Better than being exposed and losing the game.
And wat did rijjkard did ? he got ronnie behind the strikers and just pinned the chelsea players in their own half.
And in the 2nd game he needed to score but again he isnt flexible enough to change his formation and start with two strikers, or anything else.As he 4-5-1 formation is a counter attack formation.
And surprise surprise the barca team just taught them a lesson in football and made them look like little children not professional players.
Abt his squad , well now i think chelsea have the overall squad in the world.They have soo much depth and two world class players in every position.They have a better squad than barca,juve, lyon.And how come he loses ? how come they r playing this boring brand of football? noboy is asking that question. i guess he isnt the special one after all.

-Benetiz is a better tactical coach than mourino but again he won the CL by defending well and playing counter. The should'nt have one the CL and imo they had all the luck in the world to beat milan that day.
He had a good unit in valencia , a better squad than barca for sure and he only needed to eliminate the competition of real and he did.But he is a very good coach.
But now where did his defending take him? he couldn't score against a weaker benfica , and benfica just used their best weapon against them.He made many mistakes in the transfer market as he didnt buy a better striker than the ones he has , as they are just waayy below standards of the Champions.

-we should be playing a better brand of football but sometimes we might lose here and there and we wouldn't as comfortable as we r in the league. So for me winning is more important.
Abt the playmaker position, we got viera cuz we needed a CM who can make a different upfront but also can defend well.Viera is one of the few who did that Wonderfully with the Gunners.But now he isnt doing so thats one reason.If Viera does his job better than we wouldnt have much of a problem.
And the problem with neddy is that he isnt young anymore and he isnt as consistant so we can't depend on him to create plays.And also that would eliminate the use of Camo or we would need him to be more defensive and then we couldn't use him on the wing where he is soo good.

First off, I have heard too many so coalled experts talk about why he Mourinho decided to attack instead of defend against Barcelona when they were 1 goal up but do you really think you can defend againt a team that talented with 10 men? If Chelsea did that, they would have lost by more than 2-1 as they would have been massacred. Barcelona are not the best defensively so he maybe thought he had a better chance if he attacked and it might have worked if he Drogba did not watse a golden opportunity to make it 2-1 which he messed up. Mourinho always changes his tactics but he does not like playing with 2 out and out strikers . He has in the past been 1-0 down like against Bolton and changed tactics and won the match 5-1 in the end. He has been in the premiership 2 season his whole life and he has only lost 3 games and you say he loses a lot.
You say how come Chelsea is boring but you say its okay for |Capello to be boring as long as we win so which is it? You cannot have it both ways.
Benitez is not more tactical than Mourinho and i am not gonna go into the technicalities (no pun) involved there.
I am sorry but i do not accept that Livorno, Sampdoria and Palermo are top teams but thats me.
You seem to forget that when Milan were doing badly and Capello was brought back he failed too as well and he was let go
It seems to me that Capello is great at adding finishing touches to already very good teams but cannot build 1 on his own. Like I said he relies too much on individuals
For the record would you say he is the best coach in the world? Would you say he is the best ever?

 

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[Gradient]

I wish this thread disappears, it is the shame of Juventus.

There is no shame in losing against Bremen

 

[JCK]

There is no shame in losing against Bremen

No there isn't but there is shame in winning the way we did.

 

[Bjerknes]

Mind you, Werder Bremen just lost 3-0 at Home to Hertha Berlin in absolute pathetic fashion. This really puts things into perspective of how much of a joke our side is in Europe with Capello in charge.

 

[Stephan]

well it might just be that bremen gave their best performance in europe and where too tired today....

 

[Gradient]

well it might just be that bremen gave their best performance in europe and where too tired today....

The only good performance Bremen had in 2006 was against Juve. I hope you are right and they start to play better in Bundesliga.

 

[Maresca]

No there isn't but there is shame in winning the way we did.

and also a shame the way we played agaist them..

 

[Maresca]

The only good performance Bremen had in 2006 was against Juve. I hope you are right and they start to play better in Bundesliga.

Bremen and mst german teams must learn something about tactics and cleverniss. the way werder played against juve was absolute stupid. They had the lead 1-0 and we scored the equlaiser in a counter attack. this would never happen for a clever team.

 

[Gradient]

They know they will concede so they have to score a second time. They need more quality defenders for next season.

 

[Maresca]

They know they will concede so they have to score a second time. They need more quality defenders for next season.

the way they are playing they will conside goals even with best defenders in the world.. BTW, you can donate me your points you are here so much

 

[Gradient]

the way they are playing they will conside goals even with best defenders in the world.. BTW, you can donate me your points you are here so much

I am bored and have nothing better to do this weekend.

Hopefully Bremen will play clever next season! :eyebrows:

 

[Maresca]

I am bored and have nothing better to do this weekend.

Hopefully Bremen will play clever next season! :eyebrows:

where are you from?
I hope also that they will be in the CL next season. I liked the confidence they had. not all german sides have such a selfconfidence

and thanks

 

[JuveGER]

Werder Bremen is a "hit or miss" team. On some days they can do wonders, on other days they are really crappy. They had two "hits" (well, almost) against Juve. So it's not too bad that we got into trouble in that games, although some things about our game were quite disturbing (The long balls. Hell, we have a good midfield, we actually can pass). If Juve played Werder today, they would have knocked them to death. These are the two faces of Werder. So stop being so negative about these games. Remember that we had them almost beaten in Bremen and had many good possibilities to score the final goal before the keeper made the mistake in the 2nd leg. It's not like that we were completely inferior. We won without our best game against a good team from Germany that had two of their best days. That's strenght. If we can succeed like that, imagine what happens if we have two good days against Arsenal. There are many players on our team who finally want to win that damn CL. With that drawing for the semifinals there is no way that they will be unmotivated and miss that chance.

FORZA JUVE!

 

[Maresca]

Werder Bremen is a "hit or miss" team. On some days they can do wonders, on other days they are really crappy. They had two "hits" (well, almost) against Juve. So it's not too bad that we got into trouble in that games, although some things about our game were quite disturbing (The long balls. Hell, we have a good midfield, we actually can pass). If Juve played Werder today, they would have knocked them to death. These are the two faces of Werder. So stop being so negative about these games. Remember that we had them almost beaten in Bremen and had many good possibilities to score the final goal before the keeper made the mistake in the 2nd leg. It's not like that we were completely inferior. We won without our best game against a good team from Germany that had two of their best days. That's strenght. If we can succeed like that, imagine what happens if we have two good days against Arsenal. There are many players on our team who finally want to win that damn CL. With that drawing for the semifinals there is no way that they will be unmotivated and miss that chance.

FORZA JUVE!

welcome to the forumsint:

 

[Gradient]

where are you from?
I hope also that they will be in the CL next season. I liked the confidence they had. not all german sides have such a selfconfidence

and thanks

You are welcome.

I am from Germany, Delmenhorst, which is near Bremen.

I hope they will be in the Cl, because they need the money for better players. I am very frustrated about the humiliation against Berlin. It ruined my weekend .

 

[JuveGER]

welcome to the forumsint:

Thank you!

am from Germany, Delmenhorst, which is near Bremen

So we don't live too far away from each other. I live in Lüneburg.

 

[Maresca]

I live in Aschaffenburg, the city Magath is from

don´t worry gradient, Bremen will do it to the CL..

 

[Gradient]

Good post, JuveGER. I think the same about Bremen and the matches with Juve.

 

[Mozart]

something to forgive...but not to forget..

 

[sateeh]

First off, I have heard too many so coalled experts talk about why he Mourinho decided to attack instead of defend against Barcelona when they were 1 goal up but do you really think you can defend againt a team that talented with 10 men? If Chelsea did that, they would have lost by more than 2-1 as they would have been massacred. Barcelona are not the best defensively so he maybe thought he had a better chance if he attacked and it might have worked if he Drogba did not watse a golden opportunity to make it 2-1 which he messed up. Mourinho always changes his tactics but he does not like playing with 2 out and out strikers . He has in the past been 1-0 down like against Bolton and changed tactics and won the match 5-1 in the end. He has been in the premiership 2 season his whole life and he has only lost 3 games and you say he loses a lot.
You say how come Chelsea is boring but you say its okay for |Capello to be boring as long as we win so which is it? You cannot have it both ways.
Benitez is not more tactical than Mourinho and i am not gonna go into the technicalities (no pun) involved there.
I am sorry but i do not accept that Livorno, Sampdoria and Palermo are top teams but thats me.
You seem to forget that when Milan were doing badly and Capello was brought back he failed too as well and he was let go
It seems to me that Capello is great at adding finishing touches to already very good teams but cannot build 1 on his own. Like I said he relies too much on individuals
For the record would you say he is the best coach in the world? Would you say he is the best ever?

he is at least in the top two or three at the moment, but i cant say he is the best coach ever, but again who am i to minimise the things that this guy has done for numerous clubs and the titles he won.
First i would have to do the same achievements as he did.

And if u say he cant build a team, then how those coaches who built those teams couldn't win anything ?coaches like zeman ?or whoever else.

Cap was brought here in juve cuz we had a very bad season with lippi and the fans were going crazy that everything went wrong, from tthe transfer market to the tactics in very much the whole season.
So we needed someone who could almost guarrentee a title if the sources were there.And cap was the man for the job and he did deliver the title.

abt mourinho in the barca game, well nobody would know wat would happen if he had defended, but everyone knows that they went out in misreble fashion.And u cant blame any player for that.
And i have to say he doesnt build a team from scratch as well, he was lucky that both terry and lampard matured significantly the season before he came as well as gallas.And he bought big names in europe like carvallo , drogba and robben.Also he already had joe cole.

and if u say he is very good tactically in the EPL then how come u dont acknowledge how Cap is in Serie A?I mean winning the league last year and putting us in a very good position this year