(CL)Juventus vs Werder Bremen (30 Viewers)

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Jeeks said:
If anyone thinks that Barcelona will play against our defenders liek they do against any other teams, they are very much mistaken. If anything we know how to do is to defend and contain such attacks.

Exactly....Italian Football is no where like Spanish or EPL...They play tough their JOB is to defend people like Eto'o or Ronaldinho.
 

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Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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"We were nervous after what happened last season against Liverpool, but we found a victory nobody was expecting at that point. We may not be all that sharp at the moment, but this side tends to come out in the second half and make a difference.”

I really hope we start getting sharp again soon...
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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Brixity said:
I respect your opinion on the matter and that of other people in the forum. After all,a person joins a forum to express their own opinions , not others'.. I cant and would not and would never deny a person the right to voice their annoyance - Hell, even I'm annoyed by Capello's decisions sometimes eg not letting DP start on Tuesday BUT going through the 70 + pages of this thread - you just get the feeling that some of the people in here would want JUVENTUS to lose just to prove their correct about Capello and hopefully have that lead to his sacking & 2 me that just makes them equivalent 2 a Romanista,Milanista,... etc i.e they r the enemy I love 2 hate
Maybe or maybe not, It could be also they think they know their football and not blinded by past success of said coach and are actually going by performances. I have got to tell you I have been watching football for a very long time, age does not matter as there are videos.I have seen Brazil in the 70s , not live off cos but watched them play 4-2-4. I have seen so many formations like 4-2-4, 4-3-3, 4-5-2 and so many variants of these and this season i have setanta sports which have shown every single Juventus game, be it live or delayed, i have sky sports which shows every cl game and i have rai uno which shows the coppa itali games and I am totally bemused with Capello almost all the time. Why are we persisiting with 4-4-2, with that formation you need great athletes and with the greatest respect to Juve we do not have these. Zambrotta, Balzaretti and an aging Nedved is the best we can offer as athletes. As a Barcelona or Milan fan , you have confidence that your team is playing well and more importantly, the players seem to be comfortable with what the coach wants and they all seem happy. With Capello, its always an individual who has to bail him out all the time. Everyone goes on about his accomplishments and all that but let me ask you this, how many coaches ever have had the talents of these strikers at their disposal in their career? While he was at Milan he had Gullit, Van Basten all time greats, then he had Weah , world player of the years and arguably the greatest talent to come out of Africa and thats saying something, Savicevic, boban, Learnado, at Real Madrid , he had Raul , alltime great, at Roma he had Totti, Batistuta (greatest goal scorer in Argentina)and Montella and at Juve he has Trezeguet one of France's highest goal scorers, Dp, Zlatan. Now when you have this kinda strikers how can you fail?
But you guys just look at the resume and thats it, he is the greatest, forgetting that managers like Wenger , Ferguson and mainly Mourinho have achived as much but without the talent, i mean Mourinho has Drogba, Crespo, Derlei and McCarthy as his strikers whilst winning the premeirship, Cl and Uefa. Would Capello have achieved quite as much with these strikers, not a chance. No we are not moaning becasue we dislike Capello's treatment of our "idol" Dp, we are moaning cos with the array of talent at his disposal they should be playing better and not just going on marginal winning streaks that helps in serieA but will not mean a jot in Cl. On a side note, Liverpool who we made champions last season got beaten home and away by Benfica and believe me, i am still galled by our pathetic display to Liverpool last season too. I would respect the guy more if he actually showed that he could change things tactically not just rely on individuals , oh lets bring on Dp for Zlatan and Mutu for Camo , and hope they shine and get me outta jail.
How about playing 4-3-3?
Buffon
Balzaretti------Thuram----Cannavaro------Zambrotta

Camo-----------Emerson/Vieria-----------Nedved

_------Trez-------------Dp/Zlatan------------Mutu

What do we need 2 defensive mfs for if Werder can just slice thru our defences like that , why not add a more creative player so we can be on the ascendency and once we start leading we can close up shop? Let Nedved rove for goodness sakes, and let Camo and Mutu be able to swap wings, do something different cos we are too predictable in Europe and not very threatening
 

Shixian

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Sep 4, 2005
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denco said:
Maybe or maybe not, It could be also they think they know their football and not blinded by past success of said coach and are actually going by performances. I have got to tell you I have been watching football for a very long time, age does not matter as there are videos.I have seen Brazil in the 70s , not live off cos but watched them play 4-2-4. I have seen so many formations like 4-2-4, 4-3-3, 4-5-2 and so many variants of these and this season i have setanta sports which have shown every single Juventus game, be it live or delayed, i have sky sports which shows every cl game and i have rai uno which shows the coppa itali games and I am totally bemused with Capello almost all the time. Why are we persisiting with 4-4-2, with that formation you need great athletes and with the greatest respect to Juve we do not have these. Zambrotta, Balzaretti and an aging Nedved is the best we can offer as athletes. As a Barcelona or Milan fan , you have confidence that your team is playing well and more importantly, the players seem to be comfortable with what the coach wants and they all seem happy. With Capello, its always an individual who has to bail him out all the time. Everyone goes on about his accomplishments and all that but let me ask you this, how many coaches ever have had the talents of these strikers at their disposal in their career? While he was at Milan he had Gullit, Van Basten all time greats, then he had Weah , world player of the years and arguably the greatest talent to come out of Africa and thats saying something, Savicevic, boban, Learnado, at Real Madrid , he had Raul , alltime great, at Roma he had Totti, Batistuta (greatest goal scorer in Argentina)and Montella and at Juve he has Trezeguet one of France's highest goal scorers, Dp, Zlatan. Now when you have this kinda strikers how can you fail?
But you guys just look at the resume and thats it, he is the greatest, forgetting that managers like Wenger , Ferguson and mainly Mourinho have achived as much but without the talent, i mean Mourinho has Drogba, Crespo, Derlei and McCarthy as his strikers whilst winning the premeirship, Cl and Uefa. Would Capello have achieved quite as much with these strikers, not a chance. No we are not moaning becasue we dislike Capello's treatment of our "idol" Dp, we are moaning cos with the array of talent at his disposal they should be playing better and not just going on marginal winning streaks that helps in serieA but will not mean a jot in Cl. On a side note, Liverpool who we made champions last season got beaten home and away by Benfica and believe me, i am still galled by our pathetic display to Liverpool last season too. I would respect the guy more if he actually showed that he could change things tactically not just rely on individuals , oh lets bring on Dp for Zlatan and Mutu for Camo , and hope they shine and get me outta jail.
How about playing 4-3-3?
Buffon
Balzaretti------Thuram----Cannavaro------Zambrotta

Camo-----------Emerson/Vieria-----------Nedved

_------Trez-------------Dp/Zlatan------------Mutu

What do we need 2 defensive mfs for if Werder can just slice thru our defences like that , why not add a more creative player so we can be on the ascendency and once we start leading we can close up shop? Let Nedved rove for goodness sakes, and let Camo and Mutu be able to swap wings, do something different cos we are too predictable in Europe and not very threatening

good post..agree with all that u've said

however, Capello's Juve will always be inflexible..which is one thing i don't understand. He will not give up on his 4-4-2..I have a feeling it is because he had been using 4-4-2 for donkey years and has full confidence with it..unlike a 4-3-3 which he is afraid of and not confident of. It might also be due to his character. Stubborn one i can say..:rolleyes2
 
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THE CHAMPIONS

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    sH][x][aN said:
    good post..agree with all that u've said

    however, Capello's Juve will always be inflexible..which is one thing i don't understand. He will not give up on his 4-4-2..I have a feeling it is because he had been using 4-4-2 for donkey years and has full confidence with it..unlike a 4-3-3 which he is afraid of and not confident of. It might also be due to his character. Stubborn one i can say..:rolleyes2
    Yeah he is stubborn,he is very predictibale,but seeing other great coaches in Europe like morinho(playing with 1 striker whe he needs 2 goals to pass),Benitez(losing ata home 2_0 against a team like Benfica) & for me these 2 are the best with Capello in Europe & dont say Ancelotti or Ricard coz they r not that good though their teams play great football.Anyway lets wait & see what we r going to do next!
     

    KONG THE KING

    Junior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    100
    goddamit ,end this once,I just want to forget this 2 matches with werder,one we lost and second we won (deserved)but with an incredible luck,shut up

    crapello is a crappy shitty coach in my opinion too BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH SUCCES,once,twice you can,but not every sigle day
    in his stupidity crap is the best coach in serie a :D + best team = NR.1 ;)
     

    Eire

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    Mar 1, 2004
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    weise indeed made a fatal mistake but without him bremen would have been buried long befor and on the end of a similar score line to ac- v bayern 4-1
     

    Gradient

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    Jan 26, 2006
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    Eire said:
    weise indeed made a fatal mistake but without him bremen would have been buried long befor and on the end of a similar score line to ac- v bayern 4-1
    Bremen would be through if it wasn't for Buffon in the first leg. And as I already said before: Do not forget that Bremen had some chances to score a second goal.
     

    The Pado

    Filthy Gobbo
    Jul 12, 2002
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    If I could only suck at my job as much as Capello sucks at his, I would king of the world.

    Sure, we all disagree with some of his decisions and tactics, but the results speak volumes.
     

    tassard

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    Jul 30, 2004
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    Padovano said:
    If I could only suck at my job as much as Capello sucks at his, I would king of the world.

    Sure, we all disagree with some of his decisions and tactics, but the results speak volumes.

    Off topic but who is she in your avatar?:D
     

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