[CL FINAL] JUVENTUS 1-4 Real Madrid [3rd June, 2017] (34 Viewers)

[PhRoZeN]

Imagine how that guy must have felt who walked from Turin to Cardiff and then only to see the players put up a shit show. Lol. Fans give a lot to the team, while players get paid x amount to turn up or not. Fans invest money, time, effort, family, religion, heck even life. So when they see the players fall apart like that In the second half in an embarrassing way; where we truly humiliated our name and what we stand for, then that deserves some explanation. We didn't have to win, that's fine, It's Madrid. I understand who we took on and how awesome they were but how the fuck could we just turn this bad after having our half time oranges?

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[edgardavids2608]

They were not scared. Allegri has gotten very few things wrong but this match he was outcoached. He got us in a position where we might not have deserved to be and were lucky with a few things including injuries but in the end he brought us to the highest point we could have asked for until the final. Everyone is hating on Cuads but he was the key for us IMO
Leaving him out due to form cost us big. Not saying we shouldnt have done this bc Max may have felt he had no choice but it made us more defensive and unbalanced

Our right side was not as fluid as our left and really only had one true player on it. In the second half we couldnt play down the left like we had in the first and became predictable. Cuads could have at least made Marcelo sit further when we are on offense creating space for Alves to come in that space. who would pick him up? Benz? Ronaldo? Isco? or more likely one of the cms which would have let pressure off of the center where we were getting owned. By the time Allegri could make the change it was to late and Cuads couldnt take advantage of Marcelo because we were down 2 goals

 

[GordoDeCentral]

This is no way max fault, it's just who we are

 

[edgardavids2608]

really? being who we are doesnt make us get outcoached. He deserves his blame too. Also they had the much more talented side and this Ronaldo is scary good being in scoring position the whole time. To be fair if its not Maxs fault its none of the players fault either

 

[Linebreak]

And Naingolan is such a petty little man lol. Unbelievable how he feeds on our losses. Can't wait to put them in their place again next season.

What did the little gollum say?

 

[zizinho]

What did the little gollum say?

check the Serie A thread

 

[.zero]

This is no way max fault, it's just who we are

I don't like to use the word "blame" here so I won't. This loss/failure is attributed to the club as a whole.

Max was out coached, players were outclassed

Madrid proved why they are the defending champs. And in ruthless, clinical, impressive fashion

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

This is no way max fault, it's just who we are

We gotta keep improving and trying at this thing. Eventually we'll win it and the mental block will be gone

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Also, Ronaldo is just nasty. Deadliest player ever... just unstoppable

 

[GordoDeCentral]

We gotta keep improving and trying at this thing. Eventually we'll win it and the mental block will be gone

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Also, Ronaldo is just nasty. Deadliest player ever... just unstoppable

We stopped him the semis, final we can't

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We stopped him the semis, final we can't

Surprised to hear this "can't" from you man. You don't think we're never gonna win another CL right?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Surprised to hear this "can't" from you man. You don't think we're never gonna win another CL right?

After messi and ronaldo retire we could have a chance but then premfags will just strip us apart talent wise

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

After messi and ronaldo retire we could have a chance but then premfags will just strip us apart talent wise

Soon, soon...

 

[JUVEMOOD]

The only argument to support the claim would be our 2nd half display yesterday. We showed no fight in the 2nd half for some odd reason but it was always going to be difficult for us with Cristiano in the kind of form he was yesterday.

But against Barca ? We were clearly 2nd best except for 10 mins in the 2nd half. No psychological factor played a part in our loss to them. And the 2015 team surely showed more fight and desire than yesterday.

I really don't believe in this claim.

there is no logical explanation to say that ZZ did not win with us, Inzaghi did not win with us, then both scoring in CL final, ZZ with an amazing goal and Inzaghi scoring 2 and passing the keeper to score in empty net. Pirlo winning twice with Milan and lost with us (to a better team). Alves winning with Barca 3 times to lose with us, Khedira, Manzu.
whatever you claim, but that had it us they will not score or they will choke because the reason is Juve is not logical.

this is not logical at all, had we had better talents, a winning players(not one or 4), for sure we would have won.


yet again, if that was the case, why no ex-juve player ever said this??!! Vidal left, Zidane left for Spain and his wife, Inzaghi sold, it is not because Juve is a choker Club.
Pirlo/ Del Piero, sending a message to the players to win it, had he had this conviction, why bother saying it in media (could have send it privately, as it would be useless in public). pundits saying Juve is very able to win it.

explanation of yesterday's defeat?
better players, bad choice for line up, incidents against you even 2 deflected shots, the second in a very bad way, experience of players on the field (not Club), physical condition, and last mental management.
we hardly failed in mental management, but not because the club is a loser.

do u believe if you are a final loser club you will have (winning is the only that that matters) as your logo?

I believe anyone can change, he must change from the inside. inspiration (winninh players) comes from the inside, motivation (salaries, bonuses, etc) comes from the outside.

if want to win, first u have reach the final.
I cannot believe that a club who wants to win it (us recently in particular) and when u reach the final, the club will somehow change my mentality to choke.


the club in the final is the players who play the final, if you as a player whatever the history of the club in CL finals, if you are a winner, you will have that extra edge to win it.

to complete it, one rotten apple will spoil the barrel.
bring players who are not rotten from the inside, and if you have one, you have 9 month to identify it and either fix it or not eat (play) it.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Does anyone think that maybe we overperform with our mentality and our tactical edge I feel like we have had in the last 5 finals but have gotten us up against teams that are really just significantly better than us. This Madrid team is by far the best in the world. Bayern are the only ones that come close IMO and we are right there with Bayern. Barca are close as well but they have a margin of seperation in their current form. We were not that far behind them as the scoreline shows. Soccer can be a brutal sport and things went against us at a crucial time when we didnt have the team to fight back or the energy to do so.

They dominated us in the second half but that 2nd goal was a lucky shot. If we held on for another 5-10 minutes I think momentum could have evened out. We will never know but we had to make a push and we did try but either had no gas or something was off. Players getting beat to every ball. Looking predictable which I think was a tactical issue. Very unbalanced with Barza in and Dybala not making anyroom up the right flank with Alves. It was a beatdown but could have been a different game if not for the Ronaldo being in insane form and having a lucky deflection

 

[JUVEMOOD]

I mostly agree with you, I still think we will be able to win it if we continue the good work of last 6 years , but how would dybala behave in a situation where he missed 5 penalties in a row against donnarumma , he will be little shaky in that situation for sure , this seems to be juventus players when they are going to play a ucl final ,it's like that history is on their shoulders even dat most of our starters didn't even participate In the last final, there were only bonucci , chiello , gigi and barza from 2015 but we still looked like they were crushing by this negative thing , even dani alves who was a beast this season in ucl had a very poor game for his standards,plus he is a winner he won 3 ucls before , Sami won with madrid , mandzu with bayern , the truth is dat most of our players could have been overwhelm by this final as for some of them was 1st ucl final like sandro , paulo , higgy , miralem or even cuadrado .

had Dybala missed 5 against Donnarumma, then yes, he would be shaky if he fell into this trap and most probably anyone would.
but a club history what got it to do with Dybala/players experience to manage their mental strength for 90/120 mins.


we failed in Mental management, this is due to experience, players got hyped so much.. Allegri did not intervene to introduce Cuad at half time and Marchisio at the hour mark. anyways, I don't blame Allegri, I did not even expect us to reach the final. he did a great job, but should have changed something at halftime and at max 10 min past half time.

he saw the team getting dominated and yet believed that they can soak up the pressure, which they evidently didnt.

so many things went wrong, I personally would not highlight club history in finals as a one of the reasons.

 

[juventino320]

after cooling down i want to say few things, we did a great first half and we get everything wrong in the second hand.
am not going to blame anybody, imo we have a great team, coach and management, am proud of our team no matter what, ten years ago i was watching seria b and now two finals in three year.
yes it suck we keep losing them but that doesnt mean to ignore all the hard work of the club.

imo we just need to focus more on quality subs, unfortunately the only proper sub available to press forward is cuad, who lost his form after barca game, ntm that the other sub is pjaca who is out for months.
of course our bench is getting better every year, but i think this year is the year we should fill it, as long we dont sell any of out starting 11, with DS, schick and maybe berna we will cover this problem.

i said it before and i will say it again juve has all the tools to reach another final next year and maybe the next, i will never lose hope to see gigi lift the cup till he wave goodbye.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Does anyone think that maybe we overperform with our mentality and our tactical edge I feel like we have had in the last 5 finals but have gotten us up against teams that are really just significantly better than us. This Madrid team is by far the best in the world. Bayern are the only ones that come close IMO and we are right there with Bayern. Barca are close as well but they have a margin of seperation in their current form. We were not that far behind them as the scoreline shows. Soccer can be a brutal sport and things went against us at a crucial time when we didnt have the team to fight back or the energy to do so.

They dominated us in the second half but that 2nd goal was a lucky shot. If we held on for another 5-10 minutes I think momentum could have evened out. We will never know but we had to make a push and we did try but either had no gas or something was off. Players getting beat to every ball. Looking predictable which I think was a tactical issue. Very unbalanced with Barza in and Dybala not making anyroom up the right flank with Alves. It was a beatdown but could have been a different game if not for the Ronaldo being in insane form and having a lucky deflection

well said..
so many reasons, but club mentality is not one of them..
even if such thing exists, this defeat was barely 1% related to it.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Fuck this final.

I trust our management. Soon enough we'll become the best team in the world by quite a margin.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

FS.

Madrid were pegged back by Mario Mandzukic’s bicycle kick before half-time, and Ronaldo suggested Zidane’s “belief” helped Los Blancos score three goals against Juventus after the break to ensure they made history.

“I prepared for this, we’ve won big things in the end. Zidane gave us a pep talk, he believes in us a lot,” the Portuguese told Atresmedia, Real Madrid TV and BeIN Sports.

“He knows we’re very good and we showed we were very good.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

To me this feels like Brazil Germany all over again. The sense of failure is colossal. Lucky me I got so much on my plate right now that football isn't up on the list of priorities, otherwise depression would hit hard.

I know some will say we just lost to a better team but I don't know, man. To me if feels worse when we're outplayed to a point of an almost humiliation losing by a big margin. Fuck this shit really.