[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (9 Viewers)

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CrimsonianKing

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Absolutely no way is Suarez on the same level as Neymar. Neymar can score the same number of goals, gain quadruple the assists, and create much more.

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And Neymar is not getting overrated in these past few pages. He's putting his name in the hat for the best player currently playing in 2015/16. Not the best player of last year, or the last few years, but this very season.

Barcelona has scored 16 goals in the last 6 games. Neymar has scored or assisted 14 of them. That's utter dominance, and easily on the level of Cristiano and Messi in their great runs of form.

Will it last? Who knows. Once Messi returns, will Messi catch fire and tear through the rest of the season, probably. But Neymar is certainly showing he's capable of that level right now.
Once Messi returns it will decrease his progress because then he will be the main point in attack. Neymar will be back to being his sidekick which is very unfortunate.
 

CrimsonianKing

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I can bet my balls if Neymar wasn't typical Brazilian show player (not saying he is not good) he wouldn't be rated as much as he is now. Just my thought.
You make it sound like being the "typical Brazilian show player" which translates to being the best at one's job is something bad. And I completely disagree with your thought. It's nothing to do with him being Brazilian, it's all about his talent. Hell, Ronaldo is (was) a "typical Brazilian show player" and isn't Brazilian.
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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ronaldo is def NOT a typical brazilian show player.

why you ask?

because he is over the age of 29 and is still good. something that only one or two out of every brazilina player is capable of doing since they are so poor mentally and physically
 

Post Ironic

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Once Messi returns it will decrease his progress because then he will be the main point in attack. Neymar will be back to being his sidekick which is very unfortunate.
:agree:

He scored 39 goals for Barca last season, was joint top scorer in CL. And now he's absolutely dominating this stretch without Messi, scoring or assisting 14 of Barca's 16 goals in the last 6 games which is insane. He's clearly the one player currently playing that is capable of that Messi-Ronaldo level, and right now he's on that level, matching their very best stretches. All that remains to be seen is if he can keep this up over the course of a season. Unlikely, due to his sidekick role when Messi returns, but I'm hoping he starts to insist upon taking over more games himself, even with Messi in the line-up.

Neymar also scores at a clip for Brazil that both Messi and Ronaldo wish they could emulate. He's 23 and he's already within 3 goals of Messi's international tally of 49. And he plays for a crap Brazil.

It's amusing and sad that people get so up in arms when we praise him.

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also why would neymar want to come here
This. Especially if it meant our only player with potential to be an all-time great was leaving.

:cry:
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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not even a bit arrogant. i like.
Lets be honest, this mentality got him to where he is now.

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You make it sound like being the "typical Brazilian show player" which translates to being the best at one's job is something bad. And I completely disagree with your thought. It's nothing to do with him being Brazilian, it's all about his talent. Hell, Ronaldo is (was) a "typical Brazilian show player" and isn't Brazilian.
It's not bad but Brazilian players are given credits more than others just for being Brazilian talented players. Take Luiz for example, if he wasn't Brazilian with that weird look I doubt he'd cost that much.

How many Brazilian flops were there in the last 20 years? More than any other Nationality and the reason is because they are over-hyped, overrated and given too much credits from where they come from.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I go along with the idea that all the best had that kind of confidence. He probably looks in the mirror and thinks he's the most amazing guy in the world, which is cool but takes a certain kind of person.
 

Ocelot

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I love this guardian review of the Ronaldo movie
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/05/cristiano-ronaldo-film-messi

The film is a remarkable vanity project and, even more than before, it is difficult not to come away with the feeling that Ronaldo must shout his own name during sex.
Then there is the moment Portugal’s team are training at Estádio Moisés Lucarelli in São Paulo during the last World Cup and a sobbing girl breaks the cordon to run across the pitch in a desperate attempt to reach her hero. She is shaking, crying, close to hysteria and caught by one of the security guards. It is The Beatles at Shea Stadium all over again. Ronaldo hugs her and she looks as if she might pass out. “He knows I exist,” she wails, when a television reporter stops her a few moments later. What did he say? “He asked me to stay calm and stop crying.” And what did you say back? “I asked him to follow me on Twitter.”
These parts are fascinating and, at times, Ronaldo comes across as so lonely it is a good job he enjoys his own company so much.
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Where does Alexis fit in?
Below Hazard imo, together with Lewandowski & Ibra. That's assuming the Hazard from last season.
 

CrimsonianKing

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It's not bad but Brazilian players are given credits more than others just for being Brazilian talented players. Take Luiz for example, if he wasn't Brazilian with that weird look I doubt he'd cost that much.

How many Brazilian flops were there in the last 20 years? More than any other Nationality and the reason is because they are over-hyped, overrated and given too much credits from where they come from.
They're given more credit because some of the best players in history were from there. Because It's national team is the most iconic thing in world Football... Or was. So it will always be on the spotlight for it's own merit. Luiz being bought at that price was simply a reflection of modern football and overinflated deals. The shittiest player of any nationality today will cost you 30, 40M if you're not careful.

Why so many Brazilians were flop in the last 20 years? Two things You're failing to understand. 1. Brazil is a continent-sized country. In a 5 mile radius in a small town you'll find at least 10 kids who are good with the ball anywhere in the country. While a country in Europe might produce 10 players that plays for a top/somewhere top team, Brazil will be exporting hundreds, if not thousands every year. If 90 out of 100 players who at one point seemed to show some promise flop, it's much easier to notice that 90 than the 10 that made it. You produce more, the risk is obviously bigger. And then the expectation of living up to legends. Again, of course it's always gonna be easier to notice.

2. Price. In spite of what you think (Luiz), young Brazilians are cheap. Actually South Americans in general are cheap. There's a reason Barcelona has built their own schools in countries over there. Porto knows this and makes a living from buying them at ridiculous prices and making a huge profit. Add all to the fact people will always connect Brazilian players to their history, no matter what. So it's not a matter of being overrated, it's simply being what it is.
 
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