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[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (59 Viewers)
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its all competitions that are under UEFA, so domestic leagues count too. but the CL performances count more. Ibrahimovic and Costa were both better than him in the CL, while being on the same level in terms of goals at their domestic leagues (difference is those 2 won their leagues actually). thats only if we talk about forwards. we have midfielders that deserve to be in the team of the year before Messi too. so please explain to me what has Messi actually done and won to deserve to be in the best XI of the season
No worries about this match-up. Marchisio will break Messi's ankle, and Chiellini will boss Neymar. Easy Juve win 3-1 over the two legs. 
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I'm going to follow W's lead here too. 
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Oh c'mon. It's a popularity contest, and any of the three could easily be considered for that spot. Tevez certainly shouldn't be there. It should be Messi, Ronaldo, and Ibrahimovic as the three forwards imo. Messi had more La Liga goals, the same number of CL goals and more Copa Del Rey goals than Costa last year, along with 10x the number of assists.
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Messi in the team of the year 
Cmon Albo, why you do dis
Cmon Albo, why you do dis
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Oh c'mon. It's a popularity contest, and any of the three could easily be considered for that spot. Tevez certainly shouldn't be there. It should be Messi, Ronaldo, and Ibrahimovic as the three forwards imo. Messi had more La Liga goals, the same number of CL goals and more Copa Del Rey goals than Costa last year, along with 10x the number of assists.
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no denying that he had a good individual season, but you also have to look at how those stats benefited the team. Costa's goals were more valuable as they helped Atletico to reach the final. would anyone for example, pick Van Nistelrooy in 2006 after he was the top scorer of the CL and among the top scorers of the EPL while United went out in the group stage and finished second to Chelsea in the EPL? everyone would take Henry, Ronaldinho, Eto'o or Shevchenko since their teams went far in the CL and they were key players in those successes.
this isnt about "Messi scored xx goals and xx assists, he has more than Costa or someone else, he is better", its about getting your team to the 1st places in competitions with your performances. thats what i value. its OK to increase your stats against small teams, but if you dont step up when its "win or die" then you cant be the best. and i agree what Hydde said about the popularity thing. Messi and Ronaldo have too many fans and followers to not make it to such a team. spoiled brats will always vote for one of them, even if they were injured and didnt play a single game all year...
this isnt about "Messi scored xx goals and xx assists, he has more than Costa or someone else, he is better", its about getting your team to the 1st places in competitions with your performances. thats what i value. its OK to increase your stats against small teams, but if you dont step up when its "win or die" then you cant be the best. and i agree what Hydde said about the popularity thing. Messi and Ronaldo have too many fans and followers to not make it to such a team. spoiled brats will always vote for one of them, even if they were injured and didnt play a single game all year...
I do agree with the above points , making your team win is a very important point that's why I am not surprised that some people don't think he is in the best 11 difficult to argue that , but it is difficult to argue against him being there either . Among those he still has the best stats scored the most goals/assists.
I give this hypothetical situation , there is X player whose teams wins CL , he scored 5 crucial goals that lead to the team winning the competition . Than you have Y player whose team has been eliminated in group stages , but he has scored 50 goals in the group stages . If i had to choose a personal best 11 i would always go for player Y .
Every player gives his best for the his team to win , but the Team wins the competitions .
My example was an obvious exaggeration , but depending of what you put more emphasis at , competitions or stats/performances , different people may come up with different solutions .
I give this hypothetical situation , there is X player whose teams wins CL , he scored 5 crucial goals that lead to the team winning the competition . Than you have Y player whose team has been eliminated in group stages , but he has scored 50 goals in the group stages . If i had to choose a personal best 11 i would always go for player Y .
Every player gives his best for the his team to win , but the Team wins the competitions .
My example was an obvious exaggeration , but depending of what you put more emphasis at , competitions or stats/performances , different people may come up with different solutions .
yes, youre kinda right. everyone has a different understanding of what a best player should look like. you would chose player Y but it would be always player x for me, because he was putting those goals in when needed (though 50 is a bit too much exaggerated 
). very difficult to argue about since both have accomplishments that speak for themselves. its up to the personal opinion in the end
). very difficult to argue about since both have accomplishments that speak for themselves. its up to the personal opinion in the endLook, its extremely simple.
Nobody is denying messi isnt a goalscoring machine. But here is the deal. As very visual this season more then the last, without Xavi Messi isnt nearly as profilic. Especially against better organised teams.
Back in the day, he was getting these godlike assists all over the damn place, and he frequently popped in hattricks. Extremely few teams if any could say they got a game without a goal from messi.
Looking at the post Xavi period, we see messi score the big majority of his goals against lesser teams.
One needs to remember, he plays for a very offensive team with alot of talent that plays in his favor.
Players like Zlatan and Diego Costa, dont score as often as Messi did, but didnt have nearly the offensive talent. Athletico did made the final, and PSG only fell undeservedly against Chelsea(without zlatan) after giving up a good result in the first leg (with zlatan).
Ronaldo is a level above him currently. His goal to game ratio has totally ran out of controll. But over a season, Costa and Zlatan were just better. And then there is the case of suarez, who was mainly held back by a very shitty liverpool team.
Thats why the front 3 is Zlatan, ronaldo and Diego Costa.
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Thats 2 seasons ago. With Xavi fading last year, his goal tally has dropped significantly. not that 41 in a season is bad, its excellent, but its not what it used to be.
I hope people will soon realise just how good Xavi actually was
Nobody is denying messi isnt a goalscoring machine. But here is the deal. As very visual this season more then the last, without Xavi Messi isnt nearly as profilic. Especially against better organised teams.
Back in the day, he was getting these godlike assists all over the damn place, and he frequently popped in hattricks. Extremely few teams if any could say they got a game without a goal from messi.
Looking at the post Xavi period, we see messi score the big majority of his goals against lesser teams.
One needs to remember, he plays for a very offensive team with alot of talent that plays in his favor.
Players like Zlatan and Diego Costa, dont score as often as Messi did, but didnt have nearly the offensive talent. Athletico did made the final, and PSG only fell undeservedly against Chelsea(without zlatan) after giving up a good result in the first leg (with zlatan).
Ronaldo is a level above him currently. His goal to game ratio has totally ran out of controll. But over a season, Costa and Zlatan were just better. And then there is the case of suarez, who was mainly held back by a very shitty liverpool team.
Thats why the front 3 is Zlatan, ronaldo and Diego Costa.
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Thats 2 seasons ago. With Xavi fading last year, his goal tally has dropped significantly. not that 41 in a season is bad, its excellent, but its not what it used to be.
I hope people will soon realise just how good Xavi actually was