[CL] Bayern München 0-0 Juventus Sept. 30th 2009 (35 Viewers)

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Sorry, I didn't see the first post.

The first bad period was between September 24 and October 18, when on 5 matches we lost 2 and drew 3 (4 in serie A and 1 in CL).

The second time was between January 17 and February 3 where we lost 2 matches, drew 3 and won only 1 (when we had a chance to close the gap between us and Inter to one point but we drew against Lazio and then we lost two in a row away to Udinese and at home with Cagliari).

The third and last bad spell was between April 5 and May 16. We drew 7 matches in a row in serie A and we lost the Coppa semifinal return match in Turin against Lazio.
From what I remember, recently we mostly struggled at January and at the end of the season, and not to forget all the injuries. I would say it's coincidence, but seeing it again and again makes me wonder seriously. Different coaches and different players, but I guess same fitness coaches? training methods? Even at Ranieri time we started great, then went back struggling..

This year we started with a tough fixture thou, and still have one huge CL match and two difficult serie A matches ahead. Can't find a logical answer for all these, hopefully the staff has! We were so good until Bologna match, even at half time we were good. I think this is a physical problem, the players are getting exhausted, seems they are not prepared greatly at preseason.. I have no hopes for Bayern match, hopefully I am wrong.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
That's the best formation except the Iaquinta part, he was fully rested against Bologna, he has to and I am sure he will play.
I'm just not too sure Iaquinta-Trezeguet would work. Don't know.
del piero is fit , and trez is scoring, why not bring back this partnership for this important game? i won't mind getting iq the most of the second half though if things don't go our way.
 

Wings

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Jul 15, 2002
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From what I remember, recently we mostly struggled at January and at the end of the season, and not to forget all the injuries. I would say it's coincidence, but seeing it again and again makes me wonder seriously. Different coaches and different players, but I guess same fitness coaches? training methods? Even at Ranieri time we started great, then went back struggling..

This year we started with a tough fixture thou, and still have one huge CL match and two difficult serie A matches ahead. Can't find a logical answer for all these, hopefully the staff has! We were so good until Bologna match, even at half time we were good. I think this is a physical problem, the players are getting exhausted, seems they are not prepared greatly at preseason.. I have no hopes for Bayern match, hopefully I am wrong.
This is something I've been pondering for a while. It really puzzles me how our fitness levels are so low. Why can't we just get an EPL fitness coach - think about it, Camo running 95 minutes nonstop :D
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
This is something I've been pondering for a while. It really puzzles me how our fitness levels are so low. Why can't we just get an EPL fitness coach - think about it, Camo running 95 minutes nonstop :D
Yeah I second that! And if they need names, I can make a list from Football manager :D


My favorite is Spaniard thou, Ayesteran, I sign him as a fitness coach, then make him my assistant :D
 

GarfielD

Senior Member
May 21, 2009
13,423
Call ups:

1 Buffon
2 Caceres
3 Chiellini
4 Felipe Melo
6 Grosso
7 Salihamidzic
8 Marchisio
9 Iaquinta
10 Del Piero
11 Amauri
12 Chimenti
13 Manninger
15 Zebina
16 Camoranesi
17 Trezeguet
18 Poulsen
19 Molinaro
20 Giovinco
21 Grygera
28 Diego
29 De Ceglie
30 Tiago
33 Legrottaglie

So im guessing..

Buffon
Zebina - Legro - Chiellini - Grosso
Camo - Melo - Marchisio
Diego
IQ - Del Piero/Trez​
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,000
I'm just not too sure Iaquinta-Trezeguet would work. Don't know.
I'll check how did these two do in the past when they played together.
Right now i only remember an amazing Trez assist and Iaquinta finish against Chelsea in Turin, but IIRC on that match we played with 3 strikers (or was it a 4-3-1-2 with Del Piero as a trequartista?).

The problem with Trez-Iaquinta, as Vlatko and few more noticed, is that Iaquinta always goes for a goal and he can only see the goal in front of him, never the other Juve players around him. Trez on the other hand, is a player who needs service.
A good match by Diego will nullify the problem, though.

A lot depends on Del Piero's fitness. If Ale is ready to play 90 minutes then Ciro has one more option, apart from Trez-Iaquinta, and that is Del Piero-Iaquinta (I'm not counting on Amauri as a starter for this match).
In any case, Iaquinta is the only one who must play. He's in better form than anyone else in our attacking department, he opens up smartly, runs more than the other strikers, he's making them tired, and, of course, scores and assists on every single match he plays.
 

Wings

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Jul 15, 2002
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Yeah I second that! And if they need names, I can make a list from Football manager :D


My favorite is Spaniard thou, Ayesteran, I sign him as a fitness coach, then make him my assistant :D
What does he do? Shove a rocket where it matters?

jokes aside I really do think it's a major problem.
We are deadly serious sally.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Alen how the hell you find these stats man, fuckin unbelievable :shocked:

What does he do? Shove a rocket where it matters?


We are deadly serious sally.
I don't know, I leave the team talking to him, and my players are always fully motivated :D
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
I'll check how did these two do in the past when they played together.
Right now i only remember an amazing Trez assist and Iaquinta finish against Chelsea in Turin, but IIRC on that match we played with 3 strikers (or was it a 4-3-1-2 with Del Piero as a trequartista?).

The problem with Trez-Iaquinta, as Vlatko and few more noticed, is that Iaquinta always goes for a goal and he can only see the goal in front of him, never the other Juve players around him. Trez on the other hand, is a player who needs service.
A good match by Diego will nullify the problem, though.

A lot depends on Del Piero's fitness. If Ale is ready to play 90 minutes then Ciro has one more option, apart from Trez-Iaquinta, and that is Del Piero-Iaquinta (I'm not counting on Amauri as a starter for this match).
In any case, Iaquinta is the only one who must play. He's in better form than anyone else in our attacking department, he opens up smartly, runs more than the other strikers, he's making them tired, and, of course, scores and assists on every single match he plays.

Against Chelsea Ranieri went for 4-3-1-2 with Ale playing behind. I don't remember Ale and Iaquinta doing that good, but they're ok considering Iaquinta's goal scoring form.

What I was thinking of is that, Diego got two man infront of him that can't create nor combine with him, and if we're going to depend on Camoranesi upfront then we might concede with Melo and Marchisio running their butts off.

I would like Camoranesi to do more of a defensive job but on the other hand one of Iaquinta or Trezeguet should help Diego and combine with him or else we're in a real trouble.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
A lot depends on Del Piero's fitness. If Ale is ready to play 90 minutes then Ciro has one more option, apart from Trez-Iaquinta, and that is Del Piero-Iaquinta (I'm not counting on Amauri as a starter for this match).
In any case, Iaquinta is the only one who must play. He's in better form than anyone else in our attacking department, he opens up smartly, runs more than the other strikers, he's making them tired, and, of course, scores and assists on every single match he plays.
i'm the only one willing to go for dp-trez if dp is 90 mins fit?
 

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