[CL] Atletico Madrid 1-0 JUVENTUS (October 1st 2014) (8 Viewers)

[alexjuventino]

So say this was a lower team then a lose would be fine ? No so then why is everyone defending the loss? When you play for the draw you don't get the draw. This was a bullshit game. Allegri has to take risks because I saw nothing different tonight expect for the possession.

 

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[Stu]

Llorente shouldn't be praised, but the game went on in a way he and Mandzukic to have similarly bad performances. Raul Garcia didn't do more either and wasn't any better than Tevez, because, just like the other forwards in this match, he wasn't given time or space.
Both teams nullified each other well and no team was adventurous at 0:0. I'd rather praise the defending than criticize the attacking side of today's match. One good chance for 90 minutes and three long distance shots, only one of which was on target. It wasn't as much about the impotent attackers as it was about good defending all over the pitch.

Still, it remains that our attacks were unsuccessful and it's a reason to worry for when we face Olympiacos, because here we'll need goals, unlike today where 0:0 was just fine.

Oh look at this. Another reasonable, knowledgeable post. Bravo sir.

Do the people bashing Llorente think Morata or any of our other forwards would've had more success against that defensive performance from Atleti? I highly doubt it. Barcelona and Real Madrid struggle to make chances against Simeone's team but now that Juve have gone to the Calderon and struggled to do that as well I have to sit through all of this "we fuckin suck", "3-5-2 is the worst formation in the world", "Llorente needs to be sold" bullshit. FFS.

 

[Red]

Not a bad performance and Juve can feel somewhat unlucky to not get a point from the game.

Essentially, nothing happened in that game, aside from the two sides kicking lumps out of each other.

Juve had the ball for extended periods in safe areas and Atletico watched Juve having the ball in safe areas.

Sporadically Atletico upped the tempo a bit, pressing Juve and getting a few balls into the box, but nothing terribly threatening.

What I haven't made my mind up on yet is whether Juve were too cautious or if Pogba, Vidal and Tevez simply played badly. Juve aren't going to look much of an attacking threat with those three badly underperforming, so it's quite hard to judge.

I think there probably was a lack of intent from Juve when they had the ball, but that was made to look much worse due to poor individual performances.

Defensively Juve did fine, aside from the goal. Obviously Lichtsteiner has to do better there, but there was also a mistake from Evra when he went to meet a midfielder when he didn't need to. That meant Jaunfran had time to put the cross in, but it also meant Chiellini had to move towards Juanfran, which led to just about the only time in the game when Juve had to defend a cross without all three central defenders in the box.

Juve stood up to the physicality of Atletico better than pretty much anyone else I've seen.

Good games from Bonucci, Caceres and Marcisio.

Poor from Tevez, Vidal and Pogba (when Juve had the ball - they all contributed fine defensively).


Classic Atletico game in many regards. They (and Juve contributed to it greatly tonight) kill the game and back themselves to make fewer defensive errors than the opposition and to be clinical enough to take one of the very few chances that are likely to come their way. They really shouldn't be able to win as many games as they do with these tactics, but it says a lot about the lack of defenders who are able to concentrate for 90 minutes these days that Atletico do keep winning.

 

[Ocelot]

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Wtf, I didn't vote for Licht

 

[Stu]

Can we afford to keep playing a forward whose "job" is not to score?

It has served us perfectly well in every game so far this season except the one away to the best defensive team in the world. And once again someone misses the point. I'm not saying Morata shouldn't start. I wanted to see him on the field today like everybody else, my point is simply that these blind attacks on Llorente are both unintelligent and uncalled for.

 

[alexjuventino]

It has served us perfectly well in every game so far this season except the one away to the best defensive team in the world. And once again someone misses the point. I'm not saying Morata shouldn't start. I wanted to see him on the field today like everybody else, my point is simply that these blind attacks on Llorente are both unintelligent and uncalled for.

Yea in every game but the most important.

 

[Stu]

So say this was a lower team then a lose would be fine ? No so then why is everyone defending the loss? When you play for the draw you don't get the draw. This was a bull$#@! game. Allegri has to take risks because I saw nothing different tonight expect for the possession.

If it was a lesser team we obviously wouldn't have went there playing for a draw. What kind of daft post is this? Gosh.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Let's not pretend Llorente has actually been a key factor in our victories against nobodies in the league

We can afford to carry 1 or 2 passengers against vastly inferior teams.

 

[HAZEM]

Not a bad performance and Juve can feel somewhat unlucky to not get a point from the game.

Essentially, nothing happened in that game, aside from the two sides kicking lumps out of each other.

Juve had the ball for extended periods in safe areas and Atletico watched Juve having the ball in safe areas.

Sporadically Atletico upped the tempo a bit, pressing Juve and getting a few balls into the box, but nothing terribly threatening.

What I haven't made my mind up on yet is whether Juve were too cautious or if Pogba, Vidal and Tevez simply played badly. Juve aren't going to look much of an attacking threat with those three badly underperforming, so it's quite hard to judge.

I think there probably was a lack of intent from Juve when they had the ball, but that was made to look much worse due to poor individual performances.

Defensively Juve did fine, aside from the goal. Obviously Lichtsteiner has to do better there, but there was also a mistake from Evra when he went to meet a midfielder when he didn't need to. That meant Jaunfran had time to put the cross in, but it also meant Chiellini had to move towards Juanfran, which led to just about the only time in the game when Juve had to defend a cross without all three central defenders in the box.

Juve stood up to the physicality of Atletico better than pretty much anyone else I've seen.

Good games from Bonucci, Caceres and Marcisio.

Poor from Tevez, Vidal and Pogba (when Juve had the ball - they all contributed fine defensively).


Classic Atletico game in many regards. They (and Juve contributed to it greatly tonight) kill the game and back themselves to make fewer defensive errors than the opposition and to be clinical enough to take one of the very few chances that are likely to come their way. They really shouldn't be able to win as many games as they do with these tactics, but it says a lot about the lack of defenders who are able to concentrate for 90 minutes these days that Atletico do keep winning.

true!!

 

[dann10]

Caceres dislocated his shoulder the moment atleti scored as Mandzukic pushed him. Medics popped it right back in.

 

[alexjuventino]

If it was a lesser team we obviously wouldn't have went there playing for a draw. What kind of daft post is this? Gosh.

Regardless of who the team is, we should not have went to spain to draw.

 

[Stu]

We're just pussies in Europe that's all! I'd rather lose 3-2, than defend for 90 mins and lose 1-0. What's the use of 5 defenders? I'd rather have Pepe there in 4-3-3 instead of Bonucci.

Did you watch the game? We did not defend for 90 minutes. We weren't able to break them down but we weren't defending. You don't come out of a game with over 60% possession when you were defending for 90 mins. Atleti were more negative than us.

 

[Mus™]

It has served us perfectly well in every game so far this season except the one away to the best defensive team in the world. And once again someone misses the point. I'm not saying Morata shouldn't start. I wanted to see him on the field today like everybody else, my point is simply that these blind attacks on Llorente are both unintelligent and uncalled for.

So when you are facing the best defensive team in the world you would rather play an attacker with a goal threat would you not? All llorente threatened today is the grass from falling over all the time, which resulted in linking up the play for atletico because tevez and Vidal were pulled out of position by him either losing the ball or passing to a Spanish defender setting their counter

 

[JCK]

I really liked the idea we had in our approach but unfortunately we encountered a highly diciplined team that does not allow the opponents an inch. Even with Atletico's super defensive tactics that spreads all over the pitch we were able to hold possession but in able to beat such a fortress you only need a moment of magic. Pogba was nullified today and Tevez was played out of the game leaving Llorente all by himself to hold the ball in order to open space. Only a few times it worked and we couldn't take advantage of the situation. Only one time in the first half we were able to fill the box with players and send the ball to Evra for a cross which went good but Atletico are just too good to defend such balls. Talking about Evra who played a fantastic game today was the only one at fault for the goal allowing Juanfran all the time in the world to cross and with Caceres out it was only fortunate for Atletico to take advantage and take the shot that Lichtsteiner came late to. Without that one situation that match was destined for a 0-0, a gamble that Atletico took and paid off well.

Allegri might have made earlier substitutions but that would have only been a gamble and the way he didn't care about conceding more and just changed shape and moved forward is exra points in my book. It's a tricky situation now but I have a feeling that we can secure qualification before game 6.

The yellow cards we got in the end were rubbish.

Buffon 6

Caceres 6.5
Bonucci 6.5
Chiellini 7

Lichtsteiner 6.5
Vidal 5.5
Marchisio 6.5
Pogba 5.5
Evra 6.5

Tevez 5.5
Llorente 6.5

Pereyra 6.5
Morata 6
Giovinco N.R

 

[HAZEM]

Caceres dislocated his shoulder the moment atleti scored as Mandzukic pushed him. Medics popped it right back in.

true warrior

 

[Zacheryah]

Not a bad performance and Juve can feel somewhat unlucky to not get a point from the game.

Essentially, nothing happened in that game, aside from the two sides kicking lumps out of each other.

Juve had the ball for extended periods in safe areas and Atletico watched Juve having the ball in safe areas.

Sporadically Atletico upped the tempo a bit, pressing Juve and getting a few balls into the box, but nothing terribly threatening.

What I haven't made my mind up on yet is whether Juve were too cautious or if Pogba, Vidal and Tevez simply played badly. Juve aren't going to look much of an attacking threat with those three badly underperforming, so it's quite hard to judge.

I think there probably was a lack of intent from Juve when they had the ball, but that was made to look much worse due to poor individual performances.

Defensively Juve did fine, aside from the goal. Obviously Lichtsteiner has to do better there, but there was also a mistake from Evra when he went to meet a midfielder when he didn't need to. That meant Jaunfran had time to put the cross in, but it also meant Chiellini had to move towards Juanfran, which led to just about the only time in the game when Juve had to defend a cross without all three central defenders in the box.

Juve stood up to the physicality of Atletico better than pretty much anyone else I've seen.

Good games from Bonucci, Caceres and Marcisio.

Poor from Tevez, Vidal and Pogba (when Juve had the ball - they all contributed fine defensively).


Classic Atletico game in many regards. They (and Juve contributed to it greatly tonight) kill the game and back themselves to make fewer defensive errors than the opposition and to be clinical enough to take one of the very few chances that are likely to come their way. They really shouldn't be able to win as many games as they do with these tactics, but it says a lot about the lack of defenders who are able to concentrate for 90 minutes these days that Atletico do keep winning.

I personally feel aswel that juve were a bit hard done by, however Athletico did played better in the second half.


While its no excuse, and had nothing to do with the eventual result of the game, i think the ref was very poor.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Pretty much spot on, Jack.

 

[Stu]

Regardless of who the team is, we should not have went to spain to draw.

"Regardless of who the team is" just doesn't make sense. That team is the best defensive team in world football, and they lost their opening game and needed the win more than us. Those things matter. Personally I thought Allegri's tactical approach was fine.

 

[Tevez10]

Did you watch the game? We did not defend for 90 minutes. We weren't able to break them down but we weren't defending. You don't come out of a game with over 60% possession when you were defending for 90 mins. Atleti were more negative than us.

Yeah 60% of ball possession between Chiellini, Bonucci and Caceres. We had 0 shots on goal, and of course you can't attack with defenders.

 

[Zacheryah]

I really liked the idea we had in our approach but unfortunately we encountered a highly diciplined team that does not allow the opponents an inch. Even with Atletico's super defensive tactics that spreads all over the pitch we were able to hold possession but in able to beat such a fortress you only need a moment of magic. Pogba was nullified today and Tevez was played out of the game leaving Llorente all by himself to hold the ball in order to open space. Only a few times it worked and we couldn't take advantage of the situation. Only one time in the first half we were able to fill the box with players and send the ball to Evra for a cross which went good but Atletico are just too good to defend such balls. Talking about Evra who played a fantastic game today was the only one at fault for the goal allowing Juanfran all the time in the world to cross and with Caceres out it was only fortunate for Atletico to take advantage and take the shot that Lichtsteiner came late to. Without that one situation that match was destined for a 0-0, a gamble that Atletico took and paid off well.

Allegri might have made earlier substitutions but that would have only been a gamble and the way he didn't care about conceding more and just changed shape and moved forward is exra points in my book. It's a tricky situation now but I have a feeling that we can secure qualification before game 6.

The yellow cards we got in the end were rubbish.

Buffon 6

Caceres 6.5
Bonucci 6.5
Chiellini 7

Lichtsteiner 6.5
Vidal 5.5
Marchisio 6.5
Pogba 5.5
Evra 6.5

Tevez 5.5
Llorente 6.5

Pereyra 6.5
Morata 6
Giovinco N.R

@JCK you forgot Allegri's rating

I agree with your analysis, and ratings, and in fact would have given pogba a 6 or 5.5 even.