[CL] Atletico Madrid 1-0 JUVENTUS (October 1st 2014) (3 Viewers)

Man of the match

  • Buffon

  • Chiellini

  • Bonucci

  • Caceres

  • Evra

  • Marchisio

  • Vidal

  • Pogba

  • Licht

  • Tevez

  • Llorente

  • Pereyra


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Goodfella

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2012
4,518
Yes, we lost against Atletico.

But then again, we were kinda shit against Malmo too, for the most part of the match. No creativity, no domination no nothing.

Juventus just doesn't have the coaches or the system to be an imposing team that dominates in Europe, the talent is surely there... something's just missing.

My 2 cents.
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
Llorente is not the focal point of our attack. He is there to help in build up. The only time we could muster any sort of quick transition is when we punted it to him and he knocked it down for us.

Can you remember Tevez linking with the midfield quickly? It didn't happen. Either he lost the ball or we misplaced the pass to him. The only time Tevez found space was when Llorente knocked it on to him.

There are examples of what Llorente does that no one gives a $#@! about. Like when we are pinned deep on a throw-in and we blindly throw it to him. He wins a foul at half and from there AM has to back up and we enjoy possession for the next 2 minutes. What is the alternative if you don't have Llorente there? Miranda runs through Giovinco or whoever else you want there and we are $#@!ed.

There are no gaps in their defence. You can't turn their defenders. You can't do anything. Messi has 0 goals in the last 7 matches between Barca and Atletico.
Thank you. There's someone else in this thread that understands football because everyone saying Llorente was horrible today clearly doesn't get the sport. Numerous times Llorente won free kicks for us because of his strength and helped us retain possesion, which was crucial to our game plan. He brought Tevez into play when he could. Those are important jobs he does for the team. His other job is to score goals but he can't do that when he doesn't get any decent service, which was the case today against a very strong, well organised defence.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,028
You're damn right i'm fucking mad when people think one of our 2 strikers playing a game of fouls with the oppositon CBs is not only not criticised but PRAISED.
Llorente shouldn't be praised, but the game went on in a way he and Mandzukic to have similarly bad performances. Raul Garcia didn't do more either and wasn't any better than Tevez, because, just like the other forwards in this match, he wasn't given time or space.
Both teams nullified each other well and no team was adventurous at 0:0. I'd rather praise the defending than criticize the attacking side of today's match. One good chance for 90 minutes and three long distance shots, only one of which was on target. It wasn't as much about the impotent attackers as it was about good defending all over the pitch.

Still, it remains that our attacks were unsuccessful and it's a reason to worry for when we face Olympiacos, because here we'll need goals, unlike today where 0:0 was just fine.
 

michel

Junior Member
Mar 25, 2010
351
The stuff some of you write in this thread is just to laugh at. What, you are not happy with the game that Juve showed, were you even watching the fucking game, have you seen how shitty Atletico were? What, did you really expect that we will have 9 shot on target, when probably the best defensive team out there is playing with the bus parked infront of their goal? On some occasions Mandžukić was just 35 meters away from Atletico's goal. You people really thought that we will penetrate their midfield and defensive line?? they were letting like 4 meters between these two lines. Atletico are masterminds in closing down space in final third, and today they have parked the bus, so I am not really surprised that we did not create any chances. Atletico were as ''bad'' as we were, they were just luckier than us. Neither of both teams showed nothing today, except for amazing tactics. You are really blaming Allegri for the loss, his tactic dispay was just amazing today. If we would open our play even more, we would probably conceded even faster.

I am not saying that I am not dissapointed by our loss today, I am, I really am, but come on, Atletico were playing on the draw the same as we did, they just scored that lucky goal.

Some of you who are saying that the ref was not horrible today, you just do not know what you are talking about. The ref today was just disgusting. He did not have any criteria, sometimes he let though game to go on, on other occasions he was blowing the whistel, like girls in U12 selection were playing today. And that yellow card that Morata recieved, I have no words, and also that foul on Ansaldi on the corner line, he almost laid his body on the ball so that really nobody could reach it, and then he gets the foul, no wonder that Licht almost killed him. Also Mandžukič made like 8 fouls and he did not recieve any card, come on.

So serioulsy people, we were not bad today, so stop complaining and crying.
 
Jul 20, 2012
20,044
Yes, we lost against Atletico.

But then again, we were kinda $#@! against Malmo too, for the most part of the match. No creativity, no domination no nothing.

Juventus just doesn't have the coaches or the system to be an imposing team that dominates in Europe, the talent is surely there... something's just missing.

My 2 cents.
I'm with you, while I wont judge allegri yet, this is the same shit we faced last year
 

donpiero

Stella D'Argento
Jul 3, 2009
3,370
Guys I don't think its about a lack of creativity per say - we have some players with pace and flair but they were on the bench. To be honest, the biggest issue is the mentality. I think Juve has some kind of inferiority complex in Europe. We almost give our European opponents TOO MUCH respect. We need to go out there and play Atletico just like we play every other team in Serie A - i.e go out there and win! I suspect we were just thinking - "yeh we are not creating any chances but neither are they so a point would be good". You won't win anything or go far in Europe with that attitude.
:agree:
Buffon: 'Juve must take more risks':
http://www.football-italia.net/56692/buffon-juve-must-take-more-risks
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,388
Thank you. There's someone else in this thread that understands football because everyone saying Llorente was horrible today clearly doesn't get the sport. Numerous times Llorente won free kicks for us because of his strength and helped us retain possesion, which was crucial to our game plan. He brought Tevez into play when he could. Those are important jobs he does for the team. His other job is to score goals but he can't do that when he doesn't get any decent service, which was the case today against a very strong, well organised defence.
Bahaha oh god. How would you describe the service licht gave him in the 80th minute or so then?
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
Pretty sure if you're a striker, you're main responsibility is to take shots or score goals, not occupy the defenders. Llorente has been terrible, not just today, but ever since the start of the season.
Wrong on both counts. It depends on your role in the team. It's not a coincidence that Tevez and Vidal are our top scorers. Llorente's primary job is to link the play and make space for them, which he does very well. And he has not been terrible all season. The Cesena game (I think that was the one) is probably the only bad game he's had.

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Bahaha oh god. How would you describe the service licht gave him in the 80th minute or so then?
He should have done better there, obviously. What's your point? One fuck up doesn't make it an awful performance.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
89,032
Yes, we lost against Atletico.

But then again, we were kinda shit against Malmo too, for the most part of the match. No creativity, no domination no nothing.

Juventus just doesn't have the coaches or the system to be an imposing team that dominates in Europe, the talent is surely there... something's just missing.

My 2 cents.
It's not worrying when we lose to Atletico, who won Spanish league and who dominated in Europe, rightfully so. But this is worrying.

There's no doubt that we show an extra struggle in Europe. Whoever we face, we just hardly dominate.
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,388
He should have done better there, obviously. What's your point? One $#@! up doesn't make it an awful performance.
It's the difference between a win and loss most times. Just because his main role isn't to score doesn't mean it's ok when he doesn't finish an opportunity. He is still a forward.
 

Tevez10

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2013
927
We're just pussies in Europe that's all! I'd rather lose 3-2, than defend for 90 mins and lose 1-0. What's the use of 5 defenders? I'd rather have Pepe there in 4-3-3 instead of Bonucci.
 

Mus™

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2009
1,644
Wrong on both counts. It depends on your role in the team. It's not a coincidence that Tevez and Vidal are our top scorers. Llorente's primary job is to link the play and make space for them, which he does very well. And he has not been terrible all season. The Cesena game (I think that was the one) is probably the only bad game he's had.

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He should have done better there, obviously. What's your point? One fuck up doesn't make it an awful performance.
Can we afford to keep playing a forward whose "job" is not to score?
 

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