Prandelli would be a good, calculated gamble IMO...Juventino, plays attractive football and has shown that he can lead a team well in Europe as well
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I don't think Ranieri had it in him to win anything (other than maybe a Coppa) with us. He had to go, but to say he was rubbish is something I will never accept.
I still watch the goals and highlights of that match every time I nearly suffer a heart attack watching Juve play these days. Iaquinta's celebration
DP's coolly taken penalty
I still watch the goals and highlights of that match every time I nearly suffer a heart attack watching Juve play these days. Iaquinta's celebration
DP's coolly taken penalty
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I know that normally it shouldn't make any difference. If you're good, you'll be good anywhere you play.
But can it be a simple coincidence that the physical and hard working teams are winning serie A for the last 5-6 years and they do absolutely nothing in Europe, while the more technical teams, who have a completely different style than Inter or Capello's Juve, can't do shit in Italy but are doing solid in Europe?
Milan won the CL twice, played another CL final and semifinal in years when they weren't winning serie A. Roma was regularly making it to CL quarters while now Fiorentina did the best of all the Italian teams.
Is there a coach who knows both European and Italian football well and can come up with a formula that will work both in serie A and a CL?
But can it be a simple coincidence that the physical and hard working teams are winning serie A for the last 5-6 years and they do absolutely nothing in Europe, while the more technical teams, who have a completely different style than Inter or Capello's Juve, can't do shit in Italy but are doing solid in Europe?
Milan won the CL twice, played another CL final and semifinal in years when they weren't winning serie A. Roma was regularly making it to CL quarters while now Fiorentina did the best of all the Italian teams.
Is there a coach who knows both European and Italian football well and can come up with a formula that will work both in serie A and a CL?
So what you're saying is, watching football isn't really your thing ..?
Mexes was a bench player when Spalletti arrived, Cicinho was a reserve player for Madrid and then was used in midfield because he was a defensive nightmare, now is 3rd string for Ranieri, Chivu is Chivu (skilled but braindead) and Totti's switch won him the golden boot. Rubbish post, too late to save face
Gasperini over Spalletti
Mexes was a bench player when Spalletti arrived, Cicinho was a reserve player for Madrid and then was used in midfield because he was a defensive nightmare, now is 3rd string for Ranieri, Chivu is Chivu (skilled but braindead) and Totti's switch won him the golden boot. Rubbish post, too late to save face
Gasperini over Spalletti
This is a team built around a 4-4-2 style, so it was easy for Ciro to handle it. And now to change an entire system and integrate new players is a very difficult task.
Dude, read my post again. I compared between last season and this season in the CL group stage, and you brought this?
And there's no need for insults when you want to prove something.
Dude, read my post again. I compared between last season and this season in the CL group stage, and you brought this?
And there's no need for insults when you want to prove something.
I didn't mean to insult anyone, I sincerely apologize if I did.
You underestimate the role of the coach in our victories in the CL last season. Why is it always that when we win its the players and when we lose its the coaches fault? I've no doubt that if Ranieri were our coach now we'd still be in the CL. That said, I am not sad that he left. I'm just sad that we have a team with no formation halfway through the season and look clueless every time they take the field. Worse still, a team with no heart. Even when we had nothing we had the Juventus spirit, which was the least I expected from Ciro.
My earlier posts weren't aimed at you in particular, please don't take it as such.
You underestimate the role of the coach in our victories in the CL last season. Why is it always that when we win its the players and when we lose its the coaches fault? I've no doubt that if Ranieri were our coach now we'd still be in the CL. That said, I am not sad that he left. I'm just sad that we have a team with no formation halfway through the season and look clueless every time they take the field. Worse still, a team with no heart. Even when we had nothing we had the Juventus spirit, which was the least I expected from Ciro.
My earlier posts weren't aimed at you in particular, please don't take it as such.
The psychological weakness of this team is the most distressing thing. I expect the players of this club to fight until the death. To respect but not be intimidated by their opponents. What we have instead is obnoxious complacency, as if they're entitled to win against teams like Bari. They might not when all the time, but we have a right to expect that they will give their all until the final whistle. Today some of them couldn't even be bothered to run. They gave up and just stopped caring....In such cases, the coach is not the first one to blame.
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It's OK
so predictable that we still gathered many wins under him ... when he was so easy predictable, why did we win against that grandmaster mourinho or the other big guns in serie a ? i agree though, that the last wins ferrara "achieved" would have been difficult to achieve under ranieri...
yes, del piero saved our ass with scoring a goal, but it would have been useless, if we would have already conceded 3 goals like under ferrara ... who was our saviour in the defense ? legro ?
yes, del piero saved our ass with scoring a goal, but it would have been useless, if we would have already conceded 3 goals like under ferrara ... who was our saviour in the defense ? legro ?
That's what it always comes down to.
Might have something to do with the fact that it's a lot more difficult to fire players than it is to fire a coach.
Anyway, Ranieri had to go, no doubt about it. Something happened in the final months of last season and he was no longer in control of the team. There was no way he could continue.
But saying he didn't do a good job while he was with us is just being delusional.
Sure, there was room for improvement, but we could have done so much worse. For all we know we could have finished our 1st season (back in Serie A) in 8th position.
Immagine that: no CL (money), means no big transfers, means we wouldn't have been able to get Melo & Diego.
Crap, my argument completely backfired on me. As it turns out, Ranieri was indeed a bad choice.
Might have something to do with the fact that it's a lot more difficult to fire players than it is to fire a coach.
Anyway, Ranieri had to go, no doubt about it. Something happened in the final months of last season and he was no longer in control of the team. There was no way he could continue.
But saying he didn't do a good job while he was with us is just being delusional.
Sure, there was room for improvement, but we could have done so much worse. For all we know we could have finished our 1st season (back in Serie A) in 8th position.
Immagine that: no CL (money), means no big transfers, means we wouldn't have been able to get Melo & Diego.
Crap, my argument completely backfired on me. As it turns out, Ranieri was indeed a bad choice.
I don't get this whole new trend around here for people not wanting italian coaches!! It doesn't really matter where the coach is from as long as he's good enough.
Prandelli ,Spalletti ,Gasperini, Ancelotti, even Del Neri and other italian coaches are all into playing decent attacking football.
IMO the older school of more tactical conservative italian coaches (capello, trapattoni, ranieri...) are getting leser and leser in serie A specially in those last few years.
I think people tend to take it to the extreme, they either "only" want italian coaches or they don't want them at all. Quality is really what should matter here.
Prandelli ,Spalletti ,Gasperini, Ancelotti, even Del Neri and other italian coaches are all into playing decent attacking football.
IMO the older school of more tactical conservative italian coaches (capello, trapattoni, ranieri...) are getting leser and leser in serie A specially in those last few years.
I think people tend to take it to the extreme, they either "only" want italian coaches or they don't want them at all. Quality is really what should matter here.