Ciro Ferrara (21 Viewers)

[giovanotti]

Good coach or not, he would make a difference, but it wouldn't be something spectacular. It's just that our team isn't composed to do anything this year. It's not that I wouldn't welcome Guus or any other good coach here but considering the money we'd pay for him I don't think we could gain that much from our performances. We'd look different and there would be some organization but it's not enough, not even close to perfect.

We lack better players and players to cover positions where don't have anybody.
We play a system that fails, 4-3-1-2 is awful and we shouldn't think of playing it...especially with our players. I've said it a couple of times but I guess I'll say it again.

Our fullbacks are mediocre. Grosso ain't nothing but an average player, Grygera doesn't have any attacking abilities while I don't rate Caceres much. We were covered with tons of DMs but now we came to a point where we lack players. There is ONLY Marchisio who can do something, but not if players next to him are lost, and even Marchisio can be invisible very often. Sissoko makes a difference and all but he was injured. Melo, Tiago and Poulsen were fail this season. Now, I don't know if that's Ciro's faul (I still doubt) but with that kind of midfield you can't count on anything serious. 90% of matches it's zero productivity so now you have defenders who are going with long balls and fullbacks who can't do anything up front while attackers can't score. Can a new coach really make a huge difference? I don't think so, not that big...and we'd pay much more.

Bottom line is this: We can't do anything without in-form Camo. We played pretty good when we had Giovinco - Diego - Camo in attacking, didn't we? Well surprise surprise. Our biggest problem is that we have no appropriate players. Ciro's biggest mistake are not our current results, but taking THIS formation. You can't play without wingers, not if you have Grosso's and Grygera's.

Gianluigi Buffon - no complains
Martín Cáceres - inconsistent and goes berserk
Giorgio Chiellini - no complains
Felipe Melo - flop
Fabio Cannavaro - too old, was good at start but now he's very bad
Fabio Grosso - too old, clueless
Hasan Salihamidžic - too old, we have to rely on him when we don't have Camo = sad
Claudio Marchisio - good
Vincenzo Iaquinta - good (sub); not good for lone striker formation
Alessandro Del Piero - was injured
Amauri - can't score -- we lack old Amauri but not possible it seems
Alexander Manninger
Jonathan Zebina - older, always injured
Mauro Camoranesi - old but very good and always injured
David Trézéguet - main poacher, almost always injured
Christian Poulsen - not old Pouseln, so far pretty much a flop
Sebastian Giovinco - good, hard to settle him in some formation
Zdenek Grygera - bad
Mohamed Sissoko - good
Michele Paolucci - average back up
Diego - good
De Ceglie - decent back up
Nicola Legrottaglie - bad

So we have Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio and Diego. I doubt there could be some coach to revive players because we simply lack wingers, we lack fullbacks. Our team is average and with many flops. Those who are good and who can make big changes are ALWAYS injured and we're stuck with Salihamidzic and co. Players that can't make anything positive out of our misery.

It was just a matter of time before some humiliates us but I was expecting some EPL team tbh, not Bayern.

We started this season with half-broken team and with no formation. This team can only do good if (and that's a big if) when there are no injuries and if they are motivated enough. When you make our starting XI you'd see one sad defense, horrible midfield (Poulsen - Melo - Marchisio) and strikers who can't find the net. On the top of that, the players on who are we supposed to rely on are 32+

Can Hiddink make something better? Probably, but not so much. I guess the best thing we can do is cheer for team and hope to grab CL spot so we don't lose more money.

Drastic changes are needed and it should start from Blanc.

Dule,but Melo was used of his real position for the respectable part of the season.

As for Caceres ,I find a very stupid move to sign him on a loan deal and accept his releasing clause of 11mil Euros,for the player that Barca never used actually...From the beginning it was a wrong move to develop a player that will never be ours.

Zebina the first guy I'd get rid of really ,even before Molinaro.


Poulsen,a very bad move in my opinion. Why the hell we spent 10 mil on him. Instead of that move I'd use Ekdal and try him .

Paolucci , I still don't understand why we brought that guy back!

Diego- for me he is the best in this team,but football is 11 man game.

As for the injuries (except Zebina's who is one "always in a hospital guy") I think that beside a serious coach we need much more serious medical team because this is not a bed luck anymore.

 

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[giovanotti]

Even if they are you shouldn't underestimate the power of solid tactics & good man management.Our team is completely lost & you can't blame them.How are we ever gonna get the best of Diego & Giovinco if they don't know what their basic positions will be?

Also they have lost tons of motivation & clearly Ciro hasn't gotten any close to get inside the players heads.Bringing in a new coach will create competition for places & actually motivate the players to perform in order to gain a starting spot.FFS this a WC year,these players should be performing on all cylinders to convince their respective national team coaches to include them in their national teams,for the WC.

Very true,especially the bold part!

 

[Byrone]

Uros as a doctor,how would you go about recommending new medical staff?Even TP Mazembe FC has better medical staff then ours.

 

[Dostoevsky]

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[giovanotti]

Uros as a doctor,how would you go about recommending new medical staff?Even TP Mazembe FC has better medical staff then ours.

Ha ha ha TP Mazembe FC..

Listen,I'm part of a surgical medicine (intensive care,anesthesia,resuscitation and surgeries) I have no clue about how it works in sport medicine , but certainly good physios, great training coach and better assessment of the player's medical fitness are the most important things.

I wouldn't blame our training pitch because it's certainly better than Mazembe's one.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

Ciro should resign! He really should! If he really loved this club as much as we all think he does, then he would have resigned! This is to much!.. It really is!

life sucks

 

[Byrone]

Ha ha ha TP Mazembe FC..

Listen,I'm part of a surgical medicine (intensive care,anesthesia,resuscitation and surgeries) I have no clue about how it works in sport medicine , but certainly good physios, great training coach and better assessment of the player's medical fitness are the most important things.

I wouldn't blame our training pitch because it's certainly better than Mazembe's one.

Oh ok.But one would think that they would seriously work on getting better medical staff.These players are friggin assets & yet they aren't too concerned about this recurring injury problem.

 

[giovanotti]

Oh ok.But one would think that they would seriously work on getting better medical staff.These players are friggin assets & yet they aren't too concerned about this recurring injury problem.

Exactly,I mean this is far from a bed luck,this was the case even before the season started!

 

[Snoop]

That's the best picture of snoop,we'll ever get.

I liked it

 

[blondu]

show us your face you little weasel

 

[Mohad]

Good coach or not, he would make a difference, but it wouldn't be something spectacular. It's just that our team isn't composed to do anything this year. It's not that I wouldn't welcome Guus or any other good coach here but considering the money we'd pay for him I don't think we could gain that much from our performances. We'd look different and there would be some organization but it's not enough, not even close to perfect.

We lack better players and players to cover positions where don't have anybody.
We play a system that fails, 4-3-1-2 is awful and we shouldn't think of playing it...especially with our players. I've said it a couple of times but I guess I'll say it again.

Our fullbacks are mediocre. Grosso ain't nothing but an average player, Grygera doesn't have any attacking abilities while I don't rate Caceres much. We were covered with tons of DMs but now we came to a point where we lack players. There is ONLY Marchisio who can do something, but not if players next to him are lost, and even Marchisio can be invisible very often. Sissoko makes a difference and all but he was injured. Melo, Tiago and Poulsen were fail this season. Now, I don't know if that's Ciro's faul (I still doubt) but with that kind of midfield you can't count on anything serious. 90% of matches it's zero productivity so now you have defenders who are going with long balls and fullbacks who can't do anything up front while attackers can't score. Can a new coach really make a huge difference? I don't think so, not that big...and we'd pay much more.

Bottom line is this: We can't do anything without in-form Camo. We played pretty good when we had Giovinco - Diego - Camo in attacking, didn't we? Well surprise surprise. Our biggest problem is that we have no appropriate players. Ciro's biggest mistake are not our current results, but taking THIS formation. You can't play without wingers, not if you have Grosso's and Grygera's.

Gianluigi Buffon - no complains
Martín Cáceres - inconsistent and goes berserk
Giorgio Chiellini - no complains
Felipe Melo - flop
Fabio Cannavaro - too old, was good at start but now he's very bad
Fabio Grosso - too old, clueless
Hasan Salihamidžic - too old, we have to rely on him when we don't have Camo = sad
Claudio Marchisio - good
Vincenzo Iaquinta - good (sub); not good for lone striker formation
Alessandro Del Piero - was injured
Amauri - can't score -- we lack old Amauri but not possible it seems
Alexander Manninger
Jonathan Zebina - older, always injured
Mauro Camoranesi - old but very good and always injured
David Trézéguet - main poacher, almost always injured
Christian Poulsen - not old Pouseln, so far pretty much a flop
Sebastian Giovinco - good, hard to settle him in some formation
Zdenek Grygera - bad
Mohamed Sissoko - good
Michele Paolucci - average back up
Diego - good
De Ceglie - decent back up
Nicola Legrottaglie - bad

So we have Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio and Diego. I doubt there could be some coach to revive players because we simply lack wingers, we lack fullbacks. Our team is average and with many flops. Those who are good and who can make big changes are ALWAYS injured and we're stuck with Salihamidzic and co. Players that can't make anything positive out of our misery.

It was just a matter of time before some humiliates us but I was expecting some EPL team tbh, not Bayern.

We started this season with half-broken team and with no formation. This team can only do good if (and that's a big if) when there are no injuries and if they are motivated enough. When you make our starting XI you'd see one sad defense, horrible midfield (Poulsen - Melo - Marchisio) and strikers who can't find the net. On the top of that, the players on who are we supposed to rely on are 32+

Can Hiddink make something better? Probably, but not so much. I guess the best thing we can do is cheer for team and hope to grab CL spot so we don't lose more money.

Drastic changes are needed and it should start from Blanc.

You never win for having good players, you win for having a good team.

There is something missing in the team we have, and it seems it is related with some of the players.

I know what I’d do. I would inform the players to empty their closets and to meet at an isolated training facility far away from everything. This is where they would live for the next few months. No friends, no family, no cell phone, no cars, no press and one 20 minute phone call per night. Meals together, sleeping in the same room, cooking together, etc. Bottom line…these guys need to become a team.

 

[StuCazzo]

so what happends if we lose against Roma... would some of you still not want to sack Ferrara?


U know how sad it is that we managed to have just on shot against chievo... we conceded 26 goals and have 7 games of defeat while inter have 2 and milan have 3....

now their are some pros and cons herw with Ciro and bored and team etc...

Ciro is the Juve coach..i must believe all of you played soccer in highschool or college or a travel or semi- pro or whatever...

What do u remember from your coach he was the one at half time or before the game to psychologically get you game ready... I feel Ciro isn't motivating the Juve team no more..so i do believe a good portion is his fault... he has changed formations many times i do know because of injury..but when every player conditioning is like of an 50 years old man then, you might question his ability on what the hell he is doing in training them... not even Ranieri's time here he had so many injuries...

i had a few coach in the past when we wold lose games and he didn't confront the issue or even know how to work on..when u start losing you can't help but, blame either yourself or the your team mates or the coach...some one is a fault and it is CIRO"S job to see what the problem is and try to surpass it..

but like i said before their are pros and cons....injuries have been a big part of this embarrassing Juve..


when we played Bordeaux i was F***ing furious how we gave away careless fauls outside the box to Bordeaux when they are excellent at set-pieces...

i remember ciro mentioning not to give away any fauls that can hurt us in the CL game but, when u know they score 5 out of 5 from set pieces a manager needs to some some anger or something to give his players...i would have Juve work day and night at set-pieces after that game until they can do it with there eyes closed but, look where the problem came up again.. the game against Milan..just an example

but some lets not forget about the board... on the descision to keep players or to buy shitty players again...look at Zebina the guy always has been injured every season for God knows how long..why is he still with Juve...

face after the 90's Juve and italian calcio went to the slums...

off topic here look at the Italian national team we might as well field the same old player as in 2006 why.. like Giovinco said it's better being a Brazilian or Argentinian then, an italian.... i don't see big prospects of italian players any more of what France, Germany, England, Spain, Brazil or Argentina are doing..

Moggi made some excellent points today...italian football is really dead...

If we Juventus want to succeed in Europe we need a Foreign coach like How Inter and Milan have..and look at the football they are playing while we are still stuck at our old man's game...

I say Ferrara won't help us achieve what Barca are doing

 

[Byrone]

You never win for having good players, you win for having a good team.

There is something missing in the team we have, and it seems it is related with some of the players.

I know what I’d do. I would inform the players to empty their closets and to meet at an isolated training facility far away from everything. This is where they would live for the next few months. No friends, no family, no cell phone, no cars, no press and one 20 minute phone call per night. Meals together, sleeping in the same room, cooking together, etc. Bottom line…these guys need to become a team.

This sounds like a sleep over at Rab's place with Asif,Dru & Dusan.

 

[C4ISR]

“The Board doesn't believe he is the problem.” - Bettega

This scares me. If it's not Ciro, what is causing the players to cave on the field? Is there some dressing room conflict we do not know about?

 

[Esteban]

What, before the season we had the best looking midfield in Europe (I am now quoting the majority of forum: "only Chelsea could give us a match on paper") and now all of a sudden we have 4 players that are Juve material? That's nonsense. Of course the problem is organizational. The players simply aren't playing as a team.

 

[v1rtu4l]

You never win for having good players, you win for having a good team.

There is something missing in the team we have, and it seems it is related with some of the players.

I know what I’d do. I would inform the players to empty their closets and to meet at an isolated training facility far away from everything. This is where they would live for the next few months. No friends, no family, no cell phone, no cars, no press and one 20 minute phone call per night. Meals together, sleeping in the same room, cooking together, etc. Bottom line…these guys need to become a team.

so you're going for the oldschool "ritiro" ? could be of help, but i can NOT honestly understand how we can blame having the wrong players for that one formation.

we do have a squad where probably the worst players is better then 80% of other teams players but it is impossible for us to win against them ?

what kind of logic is that ? we could possibly call someone from the primavera up and still have a better player (for any position) than many of the lower leage teams.

for me it does not fit the bill saying "uuuuh, melo is crap ... uuuh grygera is crap". man grygera is better than those clowns some chievo or others do field.

milan having the right players for their formation ? they do not have dynamic fullbacks (we all agree they needed them for their formation). zambrotta was crap and the others are abysmal (oddo anyone ?). starting the season without a good fullback now they all of a sudden play some abate as rightback and it works ... a top club like us should never have any problems beating the crap out of the smaller teams because we can have a player from the youth that is better on any position then the opponents players with the snap of the fingers.

if our players were so bad as people make it seem here, what should the lower leage teams coaches do ? instant suicide ? please do a comparision between our soooo bad players and then but those players position wise against the chievo players and tell me how that chievo player is better than anything we have available on that formation ... i do not want to offend anybody but this is ridiculous... we would win any comparision against 80% of the other teams ... the problem is, the others actually are a team and this is only down to the coach.

if the coach destroys a working team (like the one we got last year) just for the sake of his "wonder formation" ... (ha ha barcelona like passing, right ?) and it just does not work out then the only conclusion i can make out of it is that the coach is a retard for not noticing that his masterplan has utterly failed and his formation is so inferior to the prior system that there is the need to pull the line and get back to something the players are used too. now it's surely too late .... get some psychologist for them to get over the ciro trauma.

 

[Martin]

What, before the season we had the best looking midfield in Europe (I am now quoting the majority of forum: "only Chelsea could give us a match on paper") and now all of a sudden we have 4 players that are Juve material? That's nonsense. Of course the problem is organizational. The players simply aren't playing as a team.

Exactly, it's bull. We are not worthless, we have what is probably the 2nd or 3rd most expensive squad in the league, there's nothing wrong with it. And what do you hear, people slamming the squad. Not good enough. Not Juve material.

It's like hearing Inter fans 10 years ago. Moratti spent money like there was no tomorrow and the squad forever sucked. The only difference is they had the money and they spent and spent. Just the thing people around here would love to do if only we had more cash.

 

[The Curr]

Exactly, it's bull. We are not worthless, we have what is probably the 2nd or 3rd most expensive squad in the league, there's nothing wrong with it. And what do you hear, people slamming the squad. Not good enough. Not Juve material.

It's like hearing Inter fans 10 years ago. Moratti spent money like there was no tomorrow and the squad forever sucked. The only difference is they had the money and they spent and spent. Just the thing people around here would love to do if only we had more cash.

Yeah and until yesterday we had been in the top 2 or 3. Serie A sucks donkey balls.

 

[Hust]

@Martin: we have great players no doubt, and I place part of the blame on injuries messing with team chemistry. Regardless though, the players we do have available act as though they don't want to be out there. Well not all of them, but some of them clearly run with no purpose whatsoever and its frustrating to watch. On paper, we should crush most teams that stand in our way. On the field, its an entirely different story. Not to mention the constant reshuffling of the formations and starting 11s to A.) find something that works consistently, and B.) having to work around injuries has been the catalyst IMO with our grievances.

 

[The Curr]

@Martin: we have great players no doubt, and I place part of the blame on injuries messing with team chemistry. Regardless though, the players we do have available act as though they don't want to be out there. Well not all of them, but some of them clearly run with no purpose whatsoever and its frustrating to watch. On paper, we should crush most teams that stand in our way. On the field, its an entirely different story. Not to mention the constant reshuffling of the formations and starting 11s to A.) find something that works consistently, and B.) having to work around injuries has been the catalyst IMO with our grievances.

We have some great players but our team as a whole is lacking a lot of things. Someone who can score (and isn't always injured), full backs, a partner for Chiellini etc.