Ciro Ferrara (38 Viewers)
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After the scandals in 2006 Juve have bounced back pretty well and looked to have a stabilised foundation to build a championship winning team in a relatively short time. It's clear that this was done in spite of very bad management going throughout.
The hierarchy at the club are a shambles and it's about time someone takes responsibility. Someone needs to stand up and say "i'm not doing my job properly and for the best interests of the club, i resign" I would be prepared to forgive all that's happened and have some respect for them. Blanc, Secco, Ferrara need to put their own ambitions on the back burner and realise they aren't doing a very good job. The fans hate them and everyone knows there is no way they have anything about them to retrieve this whole situation.
The annoying thing is, all is not lost yet. A new manager, i'd love someone experienced like Hiddink, can come in.....make sure we finish in top 3.... have a good run in the Europe, even win it.....and possibly win Coppa. We need some silverware and I would take the Europa or the Coppa right now.
The team needs freshening up too. We do need fullbacks, we need a youngish ball playing centre back to play with Chiellini and we could do with something new up front as well as some mfs. The club hasn't spent very wisely. It's about time Juventus started buying players with their best years ahead of them, not behind them. It's a strategy a lot of Italian clubs should be following. Diego despite how poorly he's started was a good signing, a positive one based on many great performances for Werder. Felipe Melo on the otherhand was far too expensive and I wonder how good he actually is. One good season and some Brazil caps and he's hyped up beyond all belief. I feel many signings made under Secco have been panic buys instead od taking the time to find the right players. Grosso, Poulsen, Tiago etc have been a waste of time so far. Even Amauri don't look too clever right now.
The longer this current situation goes on the more I would fear Juve losing key players such as Buffon and Chiellini and possibly Diego throwing in the towel early. If this happens Juve would then be viewed as a 2nd rate club
The hierarchy at the club are a shambles and it's about time someone takes responsibility. Someone needs to stand up and say "i'm not doing my job properly and for the best interests of the club, i resign" I would be prepared to forgive all that's happened and have some respect for them. Blanc, Secco, Ferrara need to put their own ambitions on the back burner and realise they aren't doing a very good job. The fans hate them and everyone knows there is no way they have anything about them to retrieve this whole situation.
The annoying thing is, all is not lost yet. A new manager, i'd love someone experienced like Hiddink, can come in.....make sure we finish in top 3.... have a good run in the Europe, even win it.....and possibly win Coppa. We need some silverware and I would take the Europa or the Coppa right now.
The team needs freshening up too. We do need fullbacks, we need a youngish ball playing centre back to play with Chiellini and we could do with something new up front as well as some mfs. The club hasn't spent very wisely. It's about time Juventus started buying players with their best years ahead of them, not behind them. It's a strategy a lot of Italian clubs should be following. Diego despite how poorly he's started was a good signing, a positive one based on many great performances for Werder. Felipe Melo on the otherhand was far too expensive and I wonder how good he actually is. One good season and some Brazil caps and he's hyped up beyond all belief. I feel many signings made under Secco have been panic buys instead od taking the time to find the right players. Grosso, Poulsen, Tiago etc have been a waste of time so far. Even Amauri don't look too clever right now.
The longer this current situation goes on the more I would fear Juve losing key players such as Buffon and Chiellini and possibly Diego throwing in the towel early. If this happens Juve would then be viewed as a 2nd rate club
Yeah, I would get complaining about the players (and I was back then) if we were in Ranieri level of "crisis", ok coach who cant take us anywhere and with a limited and flawed squad. Hence, the biggiest boost is getting better players (besides new coach) in more key positions lacking quality, so we can aim higher for the 3rd and 2nd spot finishes we got.
But NOW, thats not our problem is it? Our squad being not good enough (imbalanced as you said) for aiming for the title and us needing to improve with more quality signings? (rhetorical). The level of the above Ranieri "crisis" and this one is like night and day. The most depressingly numb nights ever now, boy do I miss those days.
This is true, although I don't think players look down at Serie A. I think players know they'll get paid in England or in Spain. That, and Italian football hasn't been the same since calciopoli. Our image isn't looking too hot and when in the past, players would've rather come to Italy if it was down to say Juve & Manchester. Now, it's the opposite. Can Serie A get back on top? Yes, but many things need to change. The stadiums, the security.... the culture needs to ADAPT to this current age in football.
Italian football does need to change but it's not a million miles away from England and Spain. In Spain, Barca and Real are miles ahead of the rest. The rest of the competition ain't too hot though, how many times a season do Barca and Real win by 4,5,6 goals. In England the success of the top 4 has blinded everyone from the fact the game's foundations are dying. Big clubs are slipping out of the Premiership and even below the Championship and being replaced by relativly modest clubs like Burnley and Hull who don't do much for the overall product. The top 4 are weaker this season and there has been some worrying signs for them financially recently.
There is a great room for improvement in Italy but if the clubs can just hang in there I think they will be much better placed when the EPL starts feeling the pinch.
In the UK, Serie A is now seen as inferior because of Sky owning the rights to the EPL and La Liga and all the sheep who gobble up what ever is put infront of them. The general public is very narrow minded and fail to look beyond what is readily available infront of them
There is a great room for improvement in Italy but if the clubs can just hang in there I think they will be much better placed when the EPL starts feeling the pinch.
In the UK, Serie A is now seen as inferior because of Sky owning the rights to the EPL and La Liga and all the sheep who gobble up what ever is put infront of them. The general public is very narrow minded and fail to look beyond what is readily available infront of them
Its horrifying to learn of Ciro walking out of his latest 'sit down' with Blanc and Bettega, with a smile on his face. Horrifying and very very worrying...Ciro has engineered our worst run of form since I have been supporting the club (nearly two decades), and he is immune to criticism or firing squad. Why??? Why o fucking why???
I dont want to see that inept idiot SMILING. Does he really find it funny??? Agnelli will be turning in his grave.
And bettega saying that 'we dont think ciro is the problem'...well then??? That begs the question...WHO IS PICKING, TRAINING, MOTIVATING THE TEAM???
We are not in this mess due SOLELY to a lack of quality. That is a problem, yes, but our squad is easily good enough to get 3rd position, and really, should be capable of challenging Milan for 2nd. Its easily good enough to get a draw at home to Munich...to not capitulate in front of our own fans at home to Milan...to beat Chievo, Napoli, Cagliari, Catania...and the others who have embarassed us.
We most definitely DO NEED a new left back, and a new centreback. They are the most essential positions I see us as needing to improve. Next is right back, where Caceres has show hints of potential, but nothing concrete, YET...As we have three right backs, I see that as coverable until the Summer, when we will know more about Caceres.
Next is attack. Amauri, must be sold in the summer. Simply, a striker who cant score goals, is not good enough for juventus. DP needs phasing out whilst Giovinco can come in his place if needs be...Trez is old. Which leaves Iaquinta. I would be happy to see Iaquinta and Giovinco up front. In a 4-3-1-2.
Is there really NOBODY at our club who has concluded that Ciro is terrible, and not improving??? If not, why not???
Does Blanc not understand that winning football matches, in business terms, is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT???
I have been comforting myself with thoughts of a master plan, of Guus or another manager lined up to take over, behind the scenes...but when I read of Ciro smiling after yet another awful showing and disgraceful defeat, the future looks horrible and it hurts even more to be a juventino.
I respect Ciro the player, but as a manager...va fancoulo...as i would be saying to ANY manager lacking the balls to resign when he can see, very clearly, that he has failed us, and is ruining not only our present, but also our future.
I dont want to see that inept idiot SMILING. Does he really find it funny??? Agnelli will be turning in his grave.
And bettega saying that 'we dont think ciro is the problem'...well then??? That begs the question...WHO IS PICKING, TRAINING, MOTIVATING THE TEAM???
We are not in this mess due SOLELY to a lack of quality. That is a problem, yes, but our squad is easily good enough to get 3rd position, and really, should be capable of challenging Milan for 2nd. Its easily good enough to get a draw at home to Munich...to not capitulate in front of our own fans at home to Milan...to beat Chievo, Napoli, Cagliari, Catania...and the others who have embarassed us.
We most definitely DO NEED a new left back, and a new centreback. They are the most essential positions I see us as needing to improve. Next is right back, where Caceres has show hints of potential, but nothing concrete, YET...As we have three right backs, I see that as coverable until the Summer, when we will know more about Caceres.
Next is attack. Amauri, must be sold in the summer. Simply, a striker who cant score goals, is not good enough for juventus. DP needs phasing out whilst Giovinco can come in his place if needs be...Trez is old. Which leaves Iaquinta. I would be happy to see Iaquinta and Giovinco up front. In a 4-3-1-2.
Is there really NOBODY at our club who has concluded that Ciro is terrible, and not improving??? If not, why not???
Does Blanc not understand that winning football matches, in business terms, is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT???
I have been comforting myself with thoughts of a master plan, of Guus or another manager lined up to take over, behind the scenes...but when I read of Ciro smiling after yet another awful showing and disgraceful defeat, the future looks horrible and it hurts even more to be a juventino.
I respect Ciro the player, but as a manager...va fancoulo...as i would be saying to ANY manager lacking the balls to resign when he can see, very clearly, that he has failed us, and is ruining not only our present, but also our future.
Yes, one clear area Serie A is stronger is that it's a much harder league to win, if you look top-to-bottom. How often do we see bottom dwellers in Spain compete with the likes of Barca & Real? Same goes for the EPL... it's usually the big 4 then a huge drop off. The EPL is a joke, to be honest. I'm not a fan of that league & find it funny how some fans in England touting their football is better. Excuse me, but the EPL is KILLING their national team. Once you get past the bright lights and the Rooney posters, you've got a league that isn't much to write home about. La Liga? I enjoy that more.
Serie A has the pieces to be #1 again. But, a few crucial things must be improved.
Serie A has the pieces to be #1 again. But, a few crucial things must be improved.
I am not so sure about that...The proper fans I know, don't say the Premier league is BETTER football, moreover that its MORE entertaining, and it attracts more world class players because of the financial clout. Also...more foreigners coming in, obviously makes it harder for british talent to nurture and blossom, but...the current england team, other than between the sticks, is to my football mind, and my half british/half sicilian blood, technically superior to the current italian team...In midfield definitely. Also in attack...Perhaps also defence, as Chiellini is the ONLY defender we have who i feel is truly world class. Only in goal are the italians massively superior.
every morning I check Italian football sites hoping that ZERO was sacked, and I get more and more angry that he's still in charge......but hearing today that he has been "forgiven" and that he is all smiles, just puts me over the edge
If I had ZERO in front of me right now, I would knock his ass out !!!
believe me, BLANK and SUCKO would be next ......
If I had ZERO in front of me right now, I would knock his ass out !!!
believe me, BLANK and SUCKO would be next ......
So the players shoulder no blame at all? Come on now, just observe their demeanor on the pitch.
Most of them clearly don't give a rat's ass what happens to the team, nor does it look like they want to play for Ferrara. The side has no heart nor passion anymore, nor will to win, and that isn't all Ciro's fault. The players on the field have to show the effort and courage to win matches, nobody else.
Frighteningly, though, we have seen the heart of our players steadily decline over the last few years. Even last year it was mostly Nedved putting the extra effort in during tough games, even at his age. At times it seemed like he was the only one that cared.
Ferrara also can't hold Melo's hand 24/7 on the pitch or pass the ball for him.
Most of them clearly don't give a rat's ass what happens to the team, nor does it look like they want to play for Ferrara. The side has no heart nor passion anymore, nor will to win, and that isn't all Ciro's fault. The players on the field have to show the effort and courage to win matches, nobody else.
Frighteningly, though, we have seen the heart of our players steadily decline over the last few years. Even last year it was mostly Nedved putting the extra effort in during tough games, even at his age. At times it seemed like he was the only one that cared.
Ferrara also can't hold Melo's hand 24/7 on the pitch or pass the ball for him.
