Ciro Ferrara (24 Viewers)
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Look at how we played lately, i say the biggest blame still come for Ferrara.. You can see how things changed in Napoli when they sacked Donadoni and replace it with Mazzari, also you can see Roma when they lost a lot games in start of the season and they decide to replace Spaletti with Ranieri..
You say it yourself that we have quality players than Catania have but still we lost against them who again just changing coach to Mihajlovic.. and how we played on the pitch show how clueless, static, slow, anemic the players are.
You say it yourself that we have quality players than Catania have but still we lost against them who again just changing coach to Mihajlovic.. and how we played on the pitch show how clueless, static, slow, anemic the players are.
We are going to lose another 6 points :frown: if no immediate changing on our team after Winter break , and i do agree Blanc aka Blank shouldn't have given a role directly into technical area , he better find the way to make us richer and stop farting around.
Secco is doing well actually , and my blame goes to Ferrara for not maximizing all the excellent resources we have , if only i had a chance managing Juventus :biggrin:
Secco is doing well actually , and my blame goes to Ferrara for not maximizing all the excellent resources we have , if only i had a chance managing Juventus :biggrin:
I keep saying everyone needs to calm down and relax.
We are only 9 points behind Inter.
Next round we'll be 12 points and after the Milan game it will be 15.
It's not a disaster guys!
Haven't you heard about the Grande project?!
As long as we remain in Serie A next season we have succeeded! This is our new grand glorious goal!
We are only 9 points behind Inter.
Next round we'll be 12 points and after the Milan game it will be 15.
It's not a disaster guys!
Haven't you heard about the Grande project?!
As long as we remain in Serie A next season we have succeeded! This is our new grand glorious goal!
Agree on the whole post specially that bolded part. The fact that Lippi recomended certain players + Ferrara and we got them simply explains the management mentality. Those people on charge of this club can't take real decisions by their own its as clear as a day light. And thats really worrying.
Ferrara is the last thing that i'm worried about. Unless the management leaves this club, i Honestly can't see any progress in future. We'll keep doing mistakes over and over again for years and years to come.
Ferrara is the last thing that i'm worried about. Unless the management leaves this club, i Honestly can't see any progress in future. We'll keep doing mistakes over and over again for years and years to come.
First of all you bring up an interesting point here with the "big" games against Inter and Milan. I don't think the inter game could classified as a fluke as the team did play well and stepped up to the plate to beat a very good side. The Milan game could be the same but if it is psychologically due to the players focusing as it is a bigger game then they are the same problems before with motivation. That means Ciro has an idea or two about his plans and when the players actually listened it worked.
The CL elimination does take its toll on the players I agree and imo this is where Ciro failed more than he failed tactically; getting the players to work hard again and focused. But I said it before and I will say it again, even if they have humpty dumpty as their coach they should not play as they did against Catania or Bari or even that ugly second half against Bayern. Nothing warrants that and its up to them, the leadership group and the coach to get everyone up and running again. That is why it is a shared responsibility.
The second point is about the management. I think you underestimate how much bad leadership can poisonous. This club has certain values in regards to working hard and putting the best effort you can possibly could every game imo and that goes to everyone. That is not shown through the management and cascaded down and enforced then we have a bigger problem. We were all happy with the Chelsea tie last year even though our coach could've done and some players as well but we were happy because we went down fighting. Something that we haven't seen at all this year in our losses, not from our new recruits (sometimes) or from the other players.
Last year Jack and others were mentioning how damaging Giggli's comments were to the team because they allowed complacency and that has not changed this year. And we know Ciro is a rookie coach and will take sometime to have genuine influence on all the players, so he can't radically quash that effect. That is why we need people like Bettega back because they really know what this club really stand for and have enough experience to influence the playing group and the team.
I also don't like this game ultimatum (if its true as I haven't seen one official source confirming that from the club), what happens if we win those two games and lose the third ? Our season won't hedge on those two games, and if they really wanted to give him an ultimatum it should be more than that if they have the faith or fire him now if they don't.
The CL elimination does take its toll on the players I agree and imo this is where Ciro failed more than he failed tactically; getting the players to work hard again and focused. But I said it before and I will say it again, even if they have humpty dumpty as their coach they should not play as they did against Catania or Bari or even that ugly second half against Bayern. Nothing warrants that and its up to them, the leadership group and the coach to get everyone up and running again. That is why it is a shared responsibility.
The second point is about the management. I think you underestimate how much bad leadership can poisonous. This club has certain values in regards to working hard and putting the best effort you can possibly could every game imo and that goes to everyone. That is not shown through the management and cascaded down and enforced then we have a bigger problem. We were all happy with the Chelsea tie last year even though our coach could've done and some players as well but we were happy because we went down fighting. Something that we haven't seen at all this year in our losses, not from our new recruits (sometimes) or from the other players.
Last year Jack and others were mentioning how damaging Giggli's comments were to the team because they allowed complacency and that has not changed this year. And we know Ciro is a rookie coach and will take sometime to have genuine influence on all the players, so he can't radically quash that effect. That is why we need people like Bettega back because they really know what this club really stand for and have enough experience to influence the playing group and the team.
I also don't like this game ultimatum (if its true as I haven't seen one official source confirming that from the club), what happens if we win those two games and lose the third ? Our season won't hedge on those two games, and if they really wanted to give him an ultimatum it should be more than that if they have the faith or fire him now if they don't.
haha.. its like lippi is trying different formations for the azzuri using Juve's results.
Lippi calls Ciro a day before a match:
Lippi: i want to try an experiment.
Ciro: Your wish is my command.
Lippi: i want to see how DP performs as a winger.
Ciro: but he is too old for that role and he has just come back from injury
Lippi: what happened to your wish is my command?
Ciro: Ok i'll try it maybe it works.
Lippi: i have one more request?
Ciro: yes?
Lippi: play Amauri & Melo.
Ciro: I can understand you want to try Amauri but Melo is not even a possibility for the azzuri squad.
Lippi: I know. But he reminds me of an old Gatusso. Same passing skills and hot tempered.
Ciro: I have a bad feeling about this but.. you are the boss... if this doesn't work we both share the blame.
Lippi: Ofcoarse
Juventus loses embarrassingly to a piece of shit team.
Lippi writes in his notes: Amauri and gatusso are not a good idea.
Ciro calls lippi again.
Ciro: Your suggestions did not work. we got owned and fans are furious.
Lippi: The team showed great determination you weren't lucky, You lost because Moratti owns the refs.
Ciro: Fucking farsiopoli.
Lippi: agreed.
Next day in the press:
Lippi:"Ciro has made some errors, but that is because of his age, but he has the right personality and charisma to do really well...He also has some clear ideas"
Lippi calls Ciro a day before a match:
Lippi: i want to try an experiment.
Ciro: Your wish is my command.
Lippi: i want to see how DP performs as a winger.
Ciro: but he is too old for that role and he has just come back from injury
Lippi: what happened to your wish is my command?
Ciro: Ok i'll try it maybe it works.
Lippi: i have one more request?
Ciro: yes?
Lippi: play Amauri & Melo.
Ciro: I can understand you want to try Amauri but Melo is not even a possibility for the azzuri squad.
Lippi: I know. But he reminds me of an old Gatusso. Same passing skills and hot tempered.
Ciro: I have a bad feeling about this but.. you are the boss... if this doesn't work we both share the blame.
Lippi: Ofcoarse
Juventus loses embarrassingly to a piece of shit team.
Lippi writes in his notes: Amauri and gatusso are not a good idea.
Ciro calls lippi again.
Ciro: Your suggestions did not work. we got owned and fans are furious.
Lippi: The team showed great determination you weren't lucky, You lost because Moratti owns the refs.
Ciro: Fucking farsiopoli.
Lippi: agreed.
Next day in the press:
Lippi:"Ciro has made some errors, but that is because of his age, but he has the right personality and charisma to do really well...He also has some clear ideas"
The only thing I wanna know is: Has Ciro ever requested Melo to hold the ball and control it? This is a main argument here in our own BBS. Coz if he has, then that would explain why Melo did well at the beggining of the season and fucked up at the end..Melo shouldn't be requested to play the role as a play maker, he is not Pirlo.
nedved is ill tempered and loses control of himself too often, killing figo is nice memorable example. Plus we have no idea about his tactical skills.
Everyone said ciro had great tactical skills before he took over. We all kept saying that he was taught by Lippi and that he should earn partial credit for the WC.
Obviously we were wrong about Ciro which was already a huge risk.
Nedved would be suicide. We could bring him back during the winter market though lol.
Everyone said ciro had great tactical skills before he took over. We all kept saying that he was taught by Lippi and that he should earn partial credit for the WC.
Obviously we were wrong about Ciro which was already a huge risk.
Nedved would be suicide. We could bring him back during the winter market though lol.
that seems to be the consensus 
If Ferrara goes, Nedved will step in
La Gazzetta dello Sport understands Juventus will entrust the bench to Pavel Nedved if Ciro Ferrara were to resign or get the sack.
The Bianconeri are currently engulfed in a major crisis, having lost five of their last six games in all competitions.
Shareholders met yesterday to discuss the situation and ultimately decided to follow Jean-Claude Blanc in keeping faith in Ferrara.
However, in the event of Ferrara getting fired, Juventus would apparently pass up the chance to hire either Guus Hiddink or Luiz Felipe Scolari.
Keen not to spend a large amount of money on hiring a big name especially after being knocked out of the Champions League, shareholders feel Nedved would be the best man to take the team in hand.
The 37-year-old Czech has already rejected the opportunity to become Ferrara's assistant but La Gazzetta feels that were his friend Andrea Agnelli to offer him the top job, he would find it very difficult to decline.
Nedved has yet to complete his coaching badges but Luciano Bruni, the Primavera Coach, would be promoted to work along side him.
If Ferrara goes, Nedved will step in
La Gazzetta dello Sport understands Juventus will entrust the bench to Pavel Nedved if Ciro Ferrara were to resign or get the sack.
The Bianconeri are currently engulfed in a major crisis, having lost five of their last six games in all competitions.
Shareholders met yesterday to discuss the situation and ultimately decided to follow Jean-Claude Blanc in keeping faith in Ferrara.
However, in the event of Ferrara getting fired, Juventus would apparently pass up the chance to hire either Guus Hiddink or Luiz Felipe Scolari.
Keen not to spend a large amount of money on hiring a big name especially after being knocked out of the Champions League, shareholders feel Nedved would be the best man to take the team in hand.
The 37-year-old Czech has already rejected the opportunity to become Ferrara's assistant but La Gazzetta feels that were his friend Andrea Agnelli to offer him the top job, he would find it very difficult to decline.
Nedved has yet to complete his coaching badges but Luciano Bruni, the Primavera Coach, would be promoted to work along side him.
bring Hiddink to assure we qualify for the CL next year
as for our next 2 matches I doubt we are going to lose those two matches
my prediction is 2 draws Parma are surprising this season but as we lost 5 of our 6 games I expect it to end as for Milan I think the mentality of the players change during this kind of matches therefore I don`t expect us to lose but it doesnt mean I expect us to win
as for our next 2 matches I doubt we are going to lose those two matches
my prediction is 2 draws Parma are surprising this season but as we lost 5 of our 6 games I expect it to end as for Milan I think the mentality of the players change during this kind of matches therefore I don`t expect us to lose but it doesnt mean I expect us to win