Charlie Hebdo massacre - 2015-Jan-07 (7 Viewers)
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Islam, or radical interpretations of Islam, acts as a perpetuator and gives direction to violent tendencies, but those are in 99% of the cases already existing, and not an autonomous creation or consequence of Islam.
And concerning the discussion about Christianity and the two testaments, it is theologically rather broadly accepted that the New Testament, and especially the four canonic gospels about Jesus are the ultimate foundation of the religion in terms of scripture. The whole religion evn in name is based on Christ afterall, and the teachings of him are what essentially seperates them from the Jewish faith (on a very basic level). What's interesting here is that even for me as an atheist, Jesus the way he is desribed in the gospels is a pretty great man and rolemodel. He is very expressive about the virtually absolute and complete banning of violence, and of course very adverse to selfishness and egoism. Yet, a sheer uncountable number of his followers have found equally countless ways to utilize him to justify violence and egoistic actions and ideas, starting of course already with the apostle Paulus (who is a rather interesting semi-historic figure in my eyes, and probably responsible for Christianity actually being something larger than just a minor Jewish sect), up to the at times simply moronic understanding of Jesus and his teachings in certain US-American conservatives.
Islam, or radical interpretations of Islam, acts as a perpetuator and gives direction to violent tendencies, but those are in 99% of the cases already existing, and not an autonomous creation or consequence of Islam.
And concerning the discussion about Christianity and the two testaments, it is theologically rather broadly accepted that the New Testament, and especially the four canonic gospels about Jesus are the ultimate foundation of the religion in terms of scripture. The whole religion evn in name is based on Christ afterall, and the teachings of him are what essentially seperates them from the Jewish faith (on a very basic level). What's interesting here is that even for me as an atheist, Jesus the way he is desribed in the gospels is a pretty great man and rolemodel. He is very expressive about the virtually absolute and complete banning of violence, and of course very adverse to selfishness and egoism. Yet, a sheer uncountable number of his followers have found equally countless ways to utilize him to justify violence and egoistic actions and ideas, starting of course already with the apostle Paulus (who is a rather interesting semi-historic figure in my eyes, and probably responsible for Christianity actually being something larger than just a minor Jewish sect), up to the at times simply moronic understanding of Jesus and his teachings in certain US-American conservatives.
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Islam, or radical interpretations of Islam, acts as a perpetuator and gives direction to violent tendencies, but those are in 99% of the cases already existing, and not an autonomous creation or consequence of Islam.
And concerning the discussion about Christianity and the two testaments, it is theologically rather broadly accepted that the New Testament, and especially the four canonic gospels about Jesus are the ultimate foundation of the religion in terms of scripture. The whole religion evn in name is based on Christ afterall, and the teachings of him are what essentially seperates them from the Jewish faith (on a very basic level). What's interesting here is that even for me as an atheist, Jesus the way he is desribed in the gospels is a pretty great man and rolemodel. He is very expressive about the virtually absolute and complete banning of violence, and of course very adverse to selfishness and egoism. Yet, a sheer uncountable number of his followers have found equally countless ways to utilize him to justify violence and egoistic actions and ideas, starting of course already with the apostle Paulus (who is a rather interesting semi-historic figure in my eyes, and probably responsible for Christianity actually being something larger than just a minor Jewish sect), up to the at times simply moronic understanding of Jesus and his teachings in certain US-American conservatives.
Islam, or radical interpretations of Islam, acts as a perpetuator and gives direction to violent tendencies, but those are in 99% of the cases already existing, and not an autonomous creation or consequence of Islam.
And concerning the discussion about Christianity and the two testaments, it is theologically rather broadly accepted that the New Testament, and especially the four canonic gospels about Jesus are the ultimate foundation of the religion in terms of scripture. The whole religion evn in name is based on Christ afterall, and the teachings of him are what essentially seperates them from the Jewish faith (on a very basic level). What's interesting here is that even for me as an atheist, Jesus the way he is desribed in the gospels is a pretty great man and rolemodel. He is very expressive about the virtually absolute and complete banning of violence, and of course very adverse to selfishness and egoism. Yet, a sheer uncountable number of his followers have found equally countless ways to utilize him to justify violence and egoistic actions and ideas, starting of course already with the apostle Paulus (who is a rather interesting semi-historic figure in my eyes, and probably responsible for Christianity actually being something larger than just a minor Jewish sect), up to the at times simply moronic understanding of Jesus and his teachings in certain US-American conservatives.
If you can, please elaborate on Paul justifying violence, egoistic actions and ideas, this is what got me interested.
"Justifying violence, egoistic actions and ideas" was mainly referring to later historical figures and movements to be honest, did not quite have Paulus in mind when I wrote that part 
What I meant though were parts of his writings that are in my opinion morally very questionable to say the least, and also not in line with what Jesus (again according to the gospels) was teaching. This includes for example his evident sexist mindset and ideas. A particularly clear example is his very negative attitudes towards prostitutes, whereas Jesus was actively reaching out to them, as he did with all members on the societal periphery.
Again, it's not really violence or egoism, just meant to be an example of how the ideas and interpretations of followers of and believers in Jesus often rather obviously contradict the actual accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, and how this already began extremely early in the developement of Christianity.
What I meant though were parts of his writings that are in my opinion morally very questionable to say the least, and also not in line with what Jesus (again according to the gospels) was teaching. This includes for example his evident sexist mindset and ideas. A particularly clear example is his very negative attitudes towards prostitutes, whereas Jesus was actively reaching out to them, as he did with all members on the societal periphery.
Again, it's not really violence or egoism, just meant to be an example of how the ideas and interpretations of followers of and believers in Jesus often rather obviously contradict the actual accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, and how this already began extremely early in the developement of Christianity.
Oi Freshy instead of me coming to your home where the frack is Edmonton anyway? guess you should trip to Italy and we could meet for a Juventus game mate at least you "might" get 2 watch the game hahah
getting down to your level but at least you a get a trip to Italy dude.
where the frack is Edmonton anyway? guess you should trip to Italy and we could meet for a Juventus game mate at least you "might" get 2 watch the game hahahgetting down to your level but at least you a get a trip to Italy dude.