Leggro and chiellini are fucking awesome. Yes both, not only chiellini.
Where can I see dps goal again, did anybody upload it?
Where can I see dps goal again, did anybody upload it?
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[Champions League] Juventus vs Zenit ( 17th September , 2008) (15 Viewers)
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yea you're right, if only we start with DC as left back in our next games, our defence is fine.
edit: in games like these, we should really play either Iaquinta or Amauri, who are well more capable of keeping the ball. Trez was lost in this game, he's not the type of player for these kind of matches.
edit: in games like these, we should really play either Iaquinta or Amauri, who are well more capable of keeping the ball. Trez was lost in this game, he's not the type of player for these kind of matches.
if our concern was midfield and defending the 0-0 marchisio would have been in, moreover if you re trying to suck up pressure it's good to have someone who can hold the ball for more than 3 seconds. Either way pretty ridiculous to suggest one would rather go with brazzo on the wing over gio in that situation, lets just hope camo's injury is not serious.
Come on!!! If playing for a draw just crossed Ranieri's mind, then he should go and shoot himself!!! you know that it was a must-win game
so we had 2 problems: Possession problem and Creativity problem, i think they are related, we played with a defensive midfield, Poulsen-Sissoko-Sali were playing a defensive game, that leaves Nedved who was always marked by more than one player, DP who had to run back to Sissoko or Poulsen to receive the ball and Trez who was ghost
That's why we had both problems, we didnt have a CM or enough attacking midfielders to hold the ball, we didnt have possession because our DMs didnt find anybody to pass the ball to
so we had 2 problems: Possession problem and Creativity problem, i think they are related, we played with a defensive midfield, Poulsen-Sissoko-Sali were playing a defensive game, that leaves Nedved who was always marked by more than one player, DP who had to run back to Sissoko or Poulsen to receive the ball and Trez who was ghost
That's why we had both problems, we didnt have a CM or enough attacking midfielders to hold the ball, we didnt have possession because our DMs didnt find anybody to pass the ball to
but you should invest more time in why we did not create chances ...
there was no scene where sali got the ball and giovinco at this position would have scored a goal or would have easily assisted ... there was just one cross by sali that went over the goal and if gio would have been there, yes there might have been a better pass ... wow ... a small chance for one assist for many occasions where salihamdzic did help a grygera who would have had to play against two or more zenit players on his side if not for sali...
as you saw, we CAN defend against Zenit at home ... if you did not already got it ... it worked and we got 3 points.
furthermore reading in the book of tactics there is a small chapter about "subtituting a player that was just brought on before" ... it reads "you don't do that". there are very few situations a coach would consider to take off a player he brought in as substitute ... (only situations i remember is, when a goalkeeper gets red and the backup keeper has to come in)
Grygera had a nice game but is in no way able to stop the opponent when more than one opposing player come over his side ...
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there was no scene where sali got the ball and giovinco at this position would have scored a goal or would have easily assisted ... there was just one cross by sali that went over the goal and if gio would have been there, yes there might have been a better pass ... wow ... a small chance for one assist for many occasions where salihamdzic did help a grygera who would have had to play against two or more zenit players on his side if not for sali...
as you saw, we CAN defend against Zenit at home ... if you did not already got it ... it worked and we got 3 points.
furthermore reading in the book of tactics there is a small chapter about "subtituting a player that was just brought on before" ... it reads "you don't do that". there are very few situations a coach would consider to take off a player he brought in as substitute ... (only situations i remember is, when a goalkeeper gets red and the backup keeper has to come in)
Grygera had a nice game but is in no way able to stop the opponent when more than one opposing player come over his side ...
My recommendation for you
"Amazon: Football Tactics"
What this troll fails to understand is that Giovinco has the ability to open up defenses by himself with his skill on the ball. This comes in handy when we DO NOT have possession and the defense are clearing the ball up the pitch or looking for an outlet pass. What Seba could come in handy for is a little something called counterattacking, something this poster above doesn't seem to understand; where the opposition defense is stretched and Seba can receive some 1v1's.
This dummy thinks Giovinco has to run back to his own penalty area and dribble up the entire pitch to be effective.
Hilarious.
Awww, too bad.
This dummy thinks Giovinco has to run back to his own penalty area and dribble up the entire pitch to be effective.
Hilarious. Awww, too bad. 
Really crucial win despite not playing as well as we could have. Another poor performance from Molinaro and an under-par performance from Salihamidzic. Hope Camo is back for Cagliari on Sunday, and hope Ranieri selects De Ceglie ahead of Molinaro on Sunday as he looked good at both defending and getting forward tonight.
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just because sali was brought for camo, does not mean he played the same position ... sali played more defensive ... more like a average right midfielder (tracking back more often then just running forward on the touchline)
don't tell me, tell ranieri ... do you think he does not do things he does on purpose ? if he let gio at "home" it probably was, because he wants him to be fresh against cagliari ...
you already mentioned it ... del piero did have to run back to collect the ball ... i dare to say that giovinco is not really the type of player that does that often ... and waiting on the center line for balls is not something that would have been very effective because he would have been marked off the game pretty easily.
further you already said trez was a ghost ... so you do not want to play with one player less (because trez does nothing at all for this games, when we are in the defense), no you want to play with two players less for our defensive duties against a team that came running for more than 90 minutes where EVERYBODY did run really much and always show create options for them to pass to ...
don't tell me, tell ranieri ... do you think he does not do things he does on purpose ? if he let gio at "home" it probably was, because he wants him to be fresh against cagliari ...
you already mentioned it ... del piero did have to run back to collect the ball ... i dare to say that giovinco is not really the type of player that does that often ... and waiting on the center line for balls is not something that would have been very effective because he would have been marked off the game pretty easily.
further you already said trez was a ghost ... so you do not want to play with one player less (because trez does nothing at all for this games, when we are in the defense), no you want to play with two players less for our defensive duties against a team that came running for more than 90 minutes where EVERYBODY did run really much and always show create options for them to pass to ...
You dont have to be sarcastic, especially when it's not funny, you can just prove me wrong instead of looking for some football links
Maybe substituting Sali isnt the best idea, but playing to get a point from Zenit at home is really stupid
We got the 3 points not because we played a defensive game, it was due to a brilliant talent, and some luck
If you are suggesting a defensive formation AT HOME against Zenit, what do you suggest for the away game, or against Real Madrid
When you really need to win, you should take a risk, and bringing Giovinco in at 75' or something isn't a foolish risk or a stupid decision
I explained to you that possession and creativity problems today were due to the same reasons, if there are creative players that can fill the gap between the defense and attack, there will be creativity, and ball possession as well, as our defense would find someone to pass the ball instead of the stupid long balls
I really feel sorry for our winning mentality, we're supposed to fight for a win, not to play to get a point at home from an average team
anyways, peace
Maybe substituting Sali isnt the best idea, but playing to get a point from Zenit at home is really stupid
We got the 3 points not because we played a defensive game, it was due to a brilliant talent, and some luck
If you are suggesting a defensive formation AT HOME against Zenit, what do you suggest for the away game, or against Real Madrid
When you really need to win, you should take a risk, and bringing Giovinco in at 75' or something isn't a foolish risk or a stupid decision
I explained to you that possession and creativity problems today were due to the same reasons, if there are creative players that can fill the gap between the defense and attack, there will be creativity, and ball possession as well, as our defense would find someone to pass the ball instead of the stupid long balls
I really feel sorry for our winning mentality, we're supposed to fight for a win, not to play to get a point at home from an average team
anyways, peace
Not the best game but its still a win, and as swag said, this was our international comeback against the Uefa Cup Super Cup winner, so I take the result.
Del Piero saved our asses (Damn, what a goal!)
Sissoko is my hero. Tackling is art, when he does it
Poulsen played his worst game for us so far. His long balls, especially in the first half, reminded me of the Capello era.
Nedved was all over the pitch, but untill De Ceglie came, he was missing help on the left side.
Molinaro........it has been said here many times.....
Grygera had a nice game, but what drives me nuts is that he never really attacks the player, that is crossing. He does it every time.
Chiellini and Legrottaglie should be our starting duo in the center.
Ranieri was poor today. Subing our most creative player with a Brazzo, who hardly played a good match so far in a Juve jersey, made me very angry. Iaquinta could have done more out there on the wing, and where the fuck was Giovinco.....
Also, Amauri should have come on in the 60th minute. Did Trez touch the ball in the second half????
Del Piero saved our asses (Damn, what a goal!)
Sissoko is my hero. Tackling is art, when he does it
Poulsen played his worst game for us so far. His long balls, especially in the first half, reminded me of the Capello era.
Nedved was all over the pitch, but untill De Ceglie came, he was missing help on the left side.
Molinaro........it has been said here many times.....
Grygera had a nice game, but what drives me nuts is that he never really attacks the player, that is crossing. He does it every time.
Chiellini and Legrottaglie should be our starting duo in the center.
Ranieri was poor today. Subing our most creative player with a Brazzo, who hardly played a good match so far in a Juve jersey, made me very angry. Iaquinta could have done more out there on the wing, and where the fuck was Giovinco.....
Also, Amauri should have come on in the 60th minute. Did Trez touch the ball in the second half????