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[Champions League] JUVENTUS 1-1 Bordeaux (Sep. 15th 2009) (14 Viewers)
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Nothing's lost. Our road to the next round will now be harder, but we usually bounce back.
It was similar last year when we lost points in Borisov and we still had two matches against the huge favourites Real and away match against Zenit to go.
Anyway, even with a draw in Bordeaux (2:2 draw might even put us in better position than them) we'll have equal chances with them. We both have to play Bayern and Maccabi twice. So even if we don't win in France and draw that match, our chances will still be equal to theirs.
We now only need to do better than them against the Germans and the Israelis.
We can do it.
Actually, we will do it.
It was similar last year when we lost points in Borisov and we still had two matches against the huge favourites Real and away match against Zenit to go.
Anyway, even with a draw in Bordeaux (2:2 draw might even put us in better position than them) we'll have equal chances with them. We both have to play Bayern and Maccabi twice. So even if we don't win in France and draw that match, our chances will still be equal to theirs.
We now only need to do better than them against the Germans and the Israelis.
We can do it.
Actually, we will do it.
No need to say sorry.. I just wanted to tell you what I meant with my post 
and..
I'v been in a member here for like 5 year's, an believe its like this almost after every match we lose or draw.. But we have to accept it as we are all different and see things in our own way, react in our own way. Sometimes its just to much, and like you said, when the opportunity is there, you just wanna let it all out..
Im out. Good night mate..
and..
I'v been in a member here for like 5 year's, an believe its like this almost after every match we lose or draw.. But we have to accept it as we are all different and see things in our own way, react in our own way. Sometimes its just to much, and like you said, when the opportunity is there, you just wanna let it all out
..Im out. Good night mate..
well shit i just got home from work...i can handle a draw as i think we will be more than fine in the group stages so I'm not sure what the whole fuss is over. I am more worried about our CB hurt and our finally performing CM hurt.
Makes you wonder though, when is it gonna end. We have yet to see a team with a fit Buffon, Zebina, Canna, Chiellini, Grosso, Melo, Sissoko, Marchisio, Diego, Del Piero, Amauri....I feel like I am missing someone. I lose track with all these injuries. Honestly though, when are we going to have a full team for a change. I feel like even if we did we would play horribly as there would be no chemistry. Its not like they played together often....
As Mark said...
Makes you wonder though, when is it gonna end. We have yet to see a team with a fit Buffon, Zebina, Canna, Chiellini, Grosso, Melo, Sissoko, Marchisio, Diego, Del Piero, Amauri....I feel like I am missing someone. I lose track with all these injuries. Honestly though, when are we going to have a full team for a change. I feel like even if we did we would play horribly as there would be no chemistry. Its not like they played together often....
As Mark said...
actually, today we over-rate our player, so did the media, its not that they didn't deserve the praise but they went to the game as if they won it.
however, there are some facts that we have to take into consideration here (eventhought this is not an excuse for this result):
1. most of our starting 11 had some intense fixture in the last couple of week, while most of the Bordeaux players weren't on international duty.
2. Bordeaux took the option of resting some key players for this game sice they played an rasy game in the liga1.
3. we had Tiago in the lineup.
4. some players really didn't show up for this game.
however, there are some facts that we have to take into consideration here (eventhought this is not an excuse for this result):
1. most of our starting 11 had some intense fixture in the last couple of week, while most of the Bordeaux players weren't on international duty.
2. Bordeaux took the option of resting some key players for this game sice they played an rasy game in the liga1.
3. we had Tiago in the lineup.
4. some players really didn't show up for this game.
I was disheartened to awake at 7am, crawl to the computer, load up ubuntu and then head straight to the football itala site where I saw the score. Nothing from what I read is of any surprise. Buffon is currently in the greatest run of form we have seen from him for perhaps more than a year or two...he is almost singlehandedly protecting Italy and Juventus.
Marchiso, is a player I have not been at all impressed with in recent weeks, either for the nazionale or Juve. And I would agree with what someone else suggested, in giving Marrone a roll of the dice there, if Claudio starts and has an anonymous game...
Also, what teeth noted, I must completely agree with, for a change...Without a midfielder with class finishing abilities, we HAVE TO HAVE A CLASS FINISHER IN THE BOX...Amauri and Iaquinta are clearly not our best finishers. Iaquinta gets goals, because his work rate is tremendous and he has brute strength, literally wearing down the opposing defences, but he needs several chances to score a goal. Several chances of the kind that Trezeguet, when on song, needs only ONE Chance.
Amauri may have a similar work rate to Iaquinta, but he doesn't have the same strength or spirit. As some of you may recall, my position on the brazilian remains...awkward. As I am yet to be convinced of his value to the first team...And I am getting fed up of saying 'well...in his defence, he didnt get good service'. For a man suggested as the saviour of the nazionale, im sure the other major countries are far from concerned, given his current form.
CHiellini is our best defender. No doubt...and this seasonm Chiellini and Cannavaro have looked like, at times, a world class central defensive pairing. We lacked that against bordeaux.
Caceres, by the sound of things, reverted to his nervousness of the lazio game, but this time, didnt manage to score a vital goal...No point judging him yet. Especially when other members of the team apparently played just as wretchedly last night.
Melo has too much to do in midfield with only Tiago and an anemic version of Marchisio for company. He needs someone else Solid.
Still...to think we will be getting back, in the near future, Cannavaro ( i mention him because they scored after he had left the pitch through injury), Chiellini, Momo, Zebina, Del Piero, Trezeguet and of course mr Diego.
That would be a vastly superior team, one capable of causing anyone in our group more problems than they cause us.
When is the bayern game? Will all of that crowd be ready for it???
Marchiso, is a player I have not been at all impressed with in recent weeks, either for the nazionale or Juve. And I would agree with what someone else suggested, in giving Marrone a roll of the dice there, if Claudio starts and has an anonymous game...
Also, what teeth noted, I must completely agree with, for a change...Without a midfielder with class finishing abilities, we HAVE TO HAVE A CLASS FINISHER IN THE BOX...Amauri and Iaquinta are clearly not our best finishers. Iaquinta gets goals, because his work rate is tremendous and he has brute strength, literally wearing down the opposing defences, but he needs several chances to score a goal. Several chances of the kind that Trezeguet, when on song, needs only ONE Chance.
Amauri may have a similar work rate to Iaquinta, but he doesn't have the same strength or spirit. As some of you may recall, my position on the brazilian remains...awkward. As I am yet to be convinced of his value to the first team...And I am getting fed up of saying 'well...in his defence, he didnt get good service'. For a man suggested as the saviour of the nazionale, im sure the other major countries are far from concerned, given his current form.
CHiellini is our best defender. No doubt...and this seasonm Chiellini and Cannavaro have looked like, at times, a world class central defensive pairing. We lacked that against bordeaux.
Caceres, by the sound of things, reverted to his nervousness of the lazio game, but this time, didnt manage to score a vital goal...No point judging him yet. Especially when other members of the team apparently played just as wretchedly last night.
Melo has too much to do in midfield with only Tiago and an anemic version of Marchisio for company. He needs someone else Solid.
Still...to think we will be getting back, in the near future, Cannavaro ( i mention him because they scored after he had left the pitch through injury), Chiellini, Momo, Zebina, Del Piero, Trezeguet and of course mr Diego.
That would be a vastly superior team, one capable of causing anyone in our group more problems than they cause us.
When is the bayern game? Will all of that crowd be ready for it???
Well, whatever the case, I still want to see more of Trezeguet. If we can get him back to fitness and on form, he will be great to use in situations like these where we have little midfield support or no Diego. Then we can revert to a 4-3-3 system and get more crosses in from the wings.
Grosso can put in quality crosses and Zebina is decent going forward. But I think going to a 4-3-3 would be best when Diego is out.
I still hope to see a midfield of Camo, Melo, Sissoko and Diego for much of the season.
Has to be Camo on the right since we have Grosso on the left.
Indeed.
Grosso can put in quality crosses and Zebina is decent going forward. But I think going to a 4-3-3 would be best when Diego is out.
I still hope to see a midfield of Camo, Melo, Sissoko and Diego for much of the season.
Has to be Camo on the right since we have Grosso on the left.
Indeed.
When's the soonest I can see this duo together 
As Alen pointed somewhere before; last season, the defense is at its stingy best when Chiellini and Sissoko is playing. This match, both were out and the defense was indeed shaky.
On a positive note, this might just be the poorest we would ever get and its gonna be uphill from now on esp since I can't see us loosing more difference-maker in the team at the same time :xfinger: :xfinger: :xfinger:
Once the team starts recovering DelPiero, Diego, Sissoko, things can only pick up.
Next stop, Livorno @ home, and the strikers better treat this opportunity as a confidence booster esp Amauri who is getting more frustrated each time his attempt just misses out.
As Alen pointed somewhere before; last season, the defense is at its stingy best when Chiellini and Sissoko is playing. This match, both were out and the defense was indeed shaky.
On a positive note, this might just be the poorest we would ever get and its gonna be uphill from now on esp since I can't see us loosing more difference-maker in the team at the same time :xfinger: :xfinger: :xfinger:
Once the team starts recovering DelPiero, Diego, Sissoko, things can only pick up.
Next stop, Livorno @ home, and the strikers better treat this opportunity as a confidence booster esp Amauri who is getting more frustrated each time his attempt just misses out.