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It feels like that Lemina is a type of footballer that gave up on his talent, he had all the chances to become big thing but failed to do so.
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That makes me remember, do you recall the thread where we made predictions about how players would develop 
We should revive this prediction game albeit not in this shitty format I used years ago
It starts more upstream than that from investment in U23 recruiting to training grounds, youth coaches and equipment long before they hit our bench.
You need to have the proper investment and infrastructure to have young talent in the U23 who are strong enough to come through the ranks and convince the first team coach that they can help him win now or wouldn't be a liability. I am not denying that some coaches will be more risk taking or will play to a more rigid system where players can slot right in with clear instructions to a tee, I am just saying that a huge factor is the club's own structure and investment strategy. We have cycled through very different coaches over the years but the role of youngsters coming through the academy has almost always remained limited. Koman and Pogba were young but acquisitions.
We use the money we have to buy mostly established players for the first team, and others who are not Juve quality to send on loan and eventually sell for profit. Thats not an Allegri or Conte/Sarri/Pirlo thing.
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Haha its in my signature (I am lazy never changed it). I was pessimistic and @Post Ironic was surprisingly the most pessimistic. I cant remember who these players even were now, I think Rugani was one of them and maybe Zaza? I think Sturururu possibly who I was a huge fan of.
Man this fanbase has suffered
You need to have the proper investment and infrastructure to have young talent in the U23 who are strong enough to come through the ranks and convince the first team coach that they can help him win now or wouldn't be a liability. I am not denying that some coaches will be more risk taking or will play to a more rigid system where players can slot right in with clear instructions to a tee, I am just saying that a huge factor is the club's own structure and investment strategy. We have cycled through very different coaches over the years but the role of youngsters coming through the academy has almost always remained limited. Koman and Pogba were young but acquisitions.
We use the money we have to buy mostly established players for the first team, and others who are not Juve quality to send on loan and eventually sell for profit. Thats not an Allegri or Conte/Sarri/Pirlo thing.
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Haha its in my signature (I am lazy never changed it). I was pessimistic and @Post Ironic was surprisingly the most pessimistic. I cant remember who these players even were now, I think Rugani was one of them and maybe Zaza? I think Sturururu possibly who I was a huge fan of.
Man this fanbase has suffered
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Ah there, i thought Coman and Berardi would be WC, and dont remembee who between Rugani and Sturaro i had as starter. One of them and Zaza as bench players.
No idea why Zaza was even there, he was 24 already
Edit: actually reading the thread, i might even have had Rugani and Coman as WC, Berardi as starter and Zaza and Stu as bench
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Letting Coman go was stupid, we should have offered him an extension and raise. That 2016 team was so exciting, imagine if we kept him and brought Berardi.
Rock solid 352, then you bring young Coman, Morata, Berardi off the bench. I think we go all the way to SF if Coman didnt eliminate us from CL
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Rock solid 352, then you bring young Coman, Morata, Berardi off the bench. I think we go all the way to SF if Coman didnt eliminate us from CL
I still have his jersey, some of my football takes were terrible too .
I wanted Diego instead of David Silva , I had super high hopes for new guys like Daud,Fausto Rossi etc …
I wanted a CB named “Santacroche” here (he was new black Nesta apparently)
I thought Sissoko would be Viera 2.0 , even though he couldn’t pass , Sissoko still is one of my all time favs .
Back in 2008 I really believed our team was good enough to win chl lol (game against Chelsa was dope)
I wanted Diego instead of David Silva , I had super high hopes for new guys like Daud,Fausto Rossi etc …
I wanted a CB named “Santacroche” here (he was new black Nesta apparently)
I thought Sissoko would be Viera 2.0 , even though he couldn’t pass , Sissoko still is one of my all time favs .
Back in 2008 I really believed our team was good enough to win chl lol (game against Chelsa was dope)
Whats your theory/analysis for why his teams can bulldoze leagues with such consistency but keep coming short at the later stages of the CL?
I believe the football heritage of the club is definitely a factor but also the nature of his teams in general.
He designs the most intricate system of play compared probably in football history and that works 95% of the time especially in leagues where its rapid fire game after game with no breaks or time in between. But against the highest level opposition in the CL when the coaches can study and prep their teams for the match in full and have plenty of time to do so, he is faced with either sticking to his regular system (that he knows the opposition has studied and is very well versed in all the pressure points) or try something new and deviate from the system he has drilled into his players all year. His players are not used to playing outside the system and so cannot improvise in real time as effectively as those who always had a high degree of improv.
In a nutshell its a consequence of over-engineering the style of play all year. I think Conte's teams have a similar weakness. Klopp has a more balanced system imo.
I believe the football heritage of the club is definitely a factor but also the nature of his teams in general.
He designs the most intricate system of play compared probably in football history and that works 95% of the time especially in leagues where its rapid fire game after game with no breaks or time in between. But against the highest level opposition in the CL when the coaches can study and prep their teams for the match in full and have plenty of time to do so, he is faced with either sticking to his regular system (that he knows the opposition has studied and is very well versed in all the pressure points) or try something new and deviate from the system he has drilled into his players all year. His players are not used to playing outside the system and so cannot improvise in real time as effectively as those who always had a high degree of improv.
In a nutshell its a consequence of over-engineering the style of play all year. I think Conte's teams have a similar weakness. Klopp has a more balanced system imo.
Teams with well oiled offensive systems can steamroll lesser competition on a more consistent rate imo. Even Conte who many view as a defensive coach, has a system which he installs upon arrival. Knock out ties are more about adjustments and ability to play different when necessary. You can win the league by not winning a single game against top4 teams, to reach a CL final you need to win at the minimum usually atleast 3/6 games, against usually top opposition. This is not always 100% accurate, but I think you will find it applies to these top clubs and their matchups.
dunno man, honestly. this latest defeat doesn't really fit the pattern. as you said, guardiola often overengineered his cl ties, especially some away matches, but this time their overall tactics were all right for 99% of these 2 matches. if i wanted to put some blame on guardiola, i'd say that some subs were too defensive (mahrez-fernandinho especially), and in most of the cases you can't really change the way your team play. i agree with you, if you have an offensive team then you can't and shouldn't park the bus. they didn't park the bus per se, still let their guards down and let real press them at the end before conceding those two goals within 2 minutes. overall they had every chance to progress still bottled the tie. club identity, bad luck or tactical mistake? prolly the combination of the 3.
as for real madrid, winning close matches on cl nights comes natural for them. same for never giving up. it's obviously part of their identity, no two ways about it. ancelotti (and allegedly the players ancelotti discussed the subs with lol) deserves credit for replacing his starter midfield though. i don't know how many coaches would have had the courage to sub out modric, kroos and casemiro too. camavinga and rodrygo were decisive. you can't pull a miracle like that without an expensive bench and a deep squad, still, ancelotti certainly had bigger balls than guardiola.
as for real madrid, winning close matches on cl nights comes natural for them. same for never giving up. it's obviously part of their identity, no two ways about it. ancelotti (and allegedly the players ancelotti discussed the subs with lol) deserves credit for replacing his starter midfield though. i don't know how many coaches would have had the courage to sub out modric, kroos and casemiro too. camavinga and rodrygo were decisive. you can't pull a miracle like that without an expensive bench and a deep squad, still, ancelotti certainly had bigger balls than guardiola.