Champions League 2016/2017 (32 Viewers)

[GiocataGrande]

I think they are a decent team with some exciting talents.
They play beautiful attacking football at times, and score a lot of goals.

However, There is also a naive element to Jardims side.

That especially came forth in The first match against City where they wasted their chances, got too greedy and ended up conceiding goals and eventually losing The match.

Pep threw The return leg with overly offensive, stupid tactics and ended up going out. A more tactical and balanced approach would have ensured City's progression.

Needless to say, we are clearly better than City and Max Will never pull The same stunts as Pep.

 

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[Ocelot]

They didn't squeak out of their group; they won 3 and drew 2 of the first 5 games, and guaranteed first spot; at that point they had a +5 goal difference too. Then they played a second fiddle team against Leverkusen and lost 3-0. So some context here is important.

Also I don't subscribe to this black and white view you have of teams; if you consider City, Tottenham and Dortmund to be piss poor teams, then I don't know who isn't piss poor in your view; 4-5 teams?
Beating Tottenham, Dortmund, and Villareal away is no easy feat. In France, they got 4 points of PSG, scoring three past them in one game, they beat Nice 3-0 at home, they scored three goals in each game against Dortmund and City.

I'm not saying that Juve aren't favorites, or that you shouldn't be disappointed if you don't beat them, and yes you could still consider it a collosal failure not to beat them, but then again I also think it was a colossal failure on the part of City to not beat them, and taking into account the gap in individual players and resources, its also a colossal failure on the part of PSG to be trailing them in the league. Monaco are definitely punching above their weight, but regardless, their results put them up there with the best in Europe this season. If they win the Ligue 1, and hopefully the Coupe De France*, and give Juve a good game in the semi's. I think one could then make a case for them being among the top 5 in Europe this season.

*Jardim unfortunately does not have a big squad, and he'll probably rest some players for the midweek semis against PSG; if he does, I can't see them getting past PSG.

PS: I understand the low expectations jibe against Arsenal, but not France. France is one of the favorites for the next WC, I will be disappointed if they don't win it. That's how high my expectations are of them.











Do you believe I didn't realize how much the starting lineup has changed at Juve in just two years time. But yes, both coaches have done an amazing job. I won't lie, I didn't think that highly of Allegri when he first took over Juve. But boy has he done an amazing job. Those two legs against Barcelona were a masterpiece; for me especially in the Camp Nou, because a few teams have shut down Barca away, but at the Camp Nou, barely allowing them a couple of shots on target is really commendable.

Jardim has done a fantastic job in Monaco, I think he is definitely a top coach, and will soon be managing a top team. If you think Klopp is good at drilling his teams to press their opponents, Jardim's Monaco do it very well.

Two years ago it was damn close in the quarters.

The most impressive thing for me, regarding both teams, is how in 2 years Allegri and Jardim changed the entire team and still made the semis. Two years ago, when we met in the quarters, only Buffon, Chiellini and Bonucci from the starting XI against Barca, started the matches against Monaco. Similar story on the other side - only Subasic, Fabinho, Bernardo Silva and Raggi were starters in 2015 and 2017.
Juve lost Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Marchisio (as a starter), Tevez, Evra, Licht (as a starter) and Morata. Monaco lost Martial, Kurzawa, Carrasco, Toulalan, Kondogbia, Abdennour, Berbatov, Moutinho (as a starter). Both teams transformed to perhaps even better units, despite all the newcomers.
Compliments for the managers. By qualifying to the semis, but especially having the above in mind, they proved how great they are. That's why it should be impossible for one of the teams to underestimate the other.

Pls stick around a bit guys

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

Watching Monaco's second leg against City was torture. They were so exposed at the back, City had so many easy chances with through passes and they can only blame themselves for not qualifying.

 

[JCK]

Do we have any French Juve fans on Tuz?

Menace but he committed suicide.

 

[napoleonic]

Menace but he committed suicide.

For real? Why :shock:

 

[Hængebøffer]

For real? Why :shock:

He read your posts.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Raggi

“Two years ago, in Turin they were happy to draw Monaco, but I think now they’ll be slightly less pleased. We scare everyone now.”

 

[lgorTudor]

Italian peasant defender - Higgy might actually score

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Menace but he committed suicide.

Wasnt be from Bahrain

 

[Juventus 1897]

It's for the fourth time in history when monaco reaches champions league semifinals, the previous 3 they were beaten by us in 1998 , defeated by milan in 1994 and won against chelsea in 2004, monaco played 7 knockout ties against italian teams, they went through only one time against roma in 1992 (uefa cup).

 

[zizinho]

Roma ::

 

[Ventus]

With the Messi and Ronaldo era ending, I feel like football is going through a transitional phase. As long as we learn to keep our best players we will become the next super team!

 

[Klovn]

Roma ::

always there to break some italian records in europe

 

[duranfj]

For all those "Monaco" fans around here

GK: Gigi - Subasic... Way way better

LB: AS - Mendy.... Way better
CB: Chiello - Glik.... Way way way better
CB: BonBon - Jemerson.... Way way way better
RB: Alves - Toure.... Close

LW: Mandzo - Lemar.... Close
CM: Pjanic - Bakayoko.... Way better
CM: Khedira - Fabinho.... Better
RW: jGC - silva .... Close

CF/SS: Dybala - Mbappe... Way better
CF: Pipa - Falcao... Close

Coach: Max - Jardín.... Way better

 

[Alen]

It's for the fourth time in history when monaco reaches champions league semifinals, the previous 3 they were beaten by us in 1998 , defeated by milan in 1994 and won against chelsea in 2004, monaco played 7 knockout ties against italian teams, they went through only one time against roma in 1992 (uefa cup).

I don't know is someone already wrote about our success against the French teams in knockout matches, but it's a hilarious record.

We faced French teams 12 times in knockouts (5 times in CL, 3 in Uefa/europa league, and once each in Cup winners cup, intertoto, inter-cities fairs and european super cup) and we knocked them out 12 times out of 12!

CL
Juventus-Monaco 1:0 agg 2014-15
Juventus-Monaco 6:4 agg 1997-98
Juventus-Nantes 4:3 agg 1995-96
Juventus-Bordeaux 3:2 agg 1984-85
Juventus-Marseille 3:1 agg 1972-73

Cup winners cup
Juventus-PSG 2:2 agg, Juve on away goals 1983-84

UEFA Cup
Juventus-Lyon 3:1 agg 2013-14
Juventus-PSG 3:1 agg 1992-93
Juventus-PSG 3:1 agg 1989-90

Intertoto Cup
Juventus-Rennes 4:2 agg 1999

Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
Juventus-Stade Francais 1:0 agg 1964-65

Uefa Super Cup
Juventus-PSG 9:2 agg 1996

Aside from the knockout matches, we also faced French teams in CL group stages. This year with Lyon (win and draw for Juve) and, what was our only failure, in 2009-10 with Bordeaux (draw and defeat).

 

[Juventus 1897]

Yes, we have an impressive record against french teams,it's surely our best record against top 5 championships, also an interesting fact is that we won our 2 CL after we beat french teams in SF (Bordeaux 85, Nantes 96) .

 

[Osman]

Would it be fair to say that Monaco of the 14/15 season was stronger in defence and on the wings, and this current version is better in the attacking mid and striker areas, but pretty weak in defence? Will be two fascinating encounters for sure.

The bizzare thing is, they have the same coach in Jardim, but they were a defensive side back then. While they are hyper offensive one now? Talk about a flexible or balanced coach that adapts to who he has in his squad.

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[JCK]

Wasnt be from Bahrain

His love of his life, Nicole, was from Isle of Man so he told her that he was from France....he was from Bahrain.

 

[Post Ironic]

They didn't squeak out of their group; they won 3 and drew 2 of the first 5 games, and guaranteed first spot; at that point they had a +5 goal difference too. Then they played a second fiddle team against Leverkusen and lost 3-0. So some context here is important.

Also I don't subscribe to this black and white view you have of teams; if you consider City, Tottenham and Dortmund to be piss poor teams, then I don't know who isn't piss poor in your view; 4-5 teams?
Beating Tottenham, Dortmund, and Villareal away is no easy feat. In France, they got 4 points of PSG, scoring three past them in one game, they beat Nice 3-0 at home, they scored three goals in each game against Dortmund and City.

I'm not saying that Juve aren't favorites, or that you shouldn't be disappointed if you don't beat them, and yes you could still consider it a collosal failure not to beat them, but then again I also think it was a colossal failure on the part of City to not beat them, and taking into account the gap in individual players and resources, its also a colossal failure on the part of PSG to be trailing them in the league. Monaco are definitely punching above their weight, but regardless, their results put them up there with the best in Europe this season. If they win the Ligue 1, and hopefully the Coupe De France*, and give Juve a good game in the semi's. I think one could then make a case for them being among the top 5 in Europe this season.

*Jardim unfortunately does not have a big squad, and he'll probably rest some players for the midweek semis against PSG; if he does, I can't see them getting past PSG.

PS: I understand the low expectations jibe against Arsenal, but not France. France is one of the favorites for the next WC, I will be disappointed if they don't win it. That's how high my expectations are of them.











Do you believe I didn't realize how much the starting lineup has changed at Juve in just two years time. But yes, both coaches have done an amazing job. I won't lie, I didn't think that highly of Allegri when he first took over Juve. But boy has he done an amazing job. Those two legs against Barcelona were a masterpiece; for me especially in the Camp Nou, because a few teams have shut down Barca away, but at the Camp Nou, barely allowing them a couple of shots on target is really commendable.

Jardim has done a fantastic job in Monaco, I think he is definitely a top coach, and will soon be managing a top team. If you think Klopp is good at drilling his teams to press their opponents, Jardim's Monaco do it very well.

Fred. Tottenham lost at home in Europe to both Monaco and Leverkusen and didn't get out of a very easy group. They were then knocked out by Genk, losing away and drawing at home. Forgive me for not thinking they are much of a team in Europe.

Villarreal tough at home? Don't make me laugh. This year they've lost at home in the league to Eibar, Alaves, Madrid, Valencia. In Europe they got smashed 4-0 at home by Roma. And also lost at home to Osmanlispor. They are a shit team and beating them at home is no accomplishment at all.

The only tough team at home Monaco has beaten is Dortmund. And that game was played the day after a bomb went off beside their bus, leaving the team shell-shocked.

So yes, context is important.

You have a tendency to overrate all things French. Monaco is a good team. I'm not even arguing otherwise. But they have not been dominating teams in Europe this season by any stretch of the imagination. As I said, going out to them would be pathetic. Just like it would have been pathetic for Madrid to go out to City last year.

 

[pitbull]

Post Ironic who do you think are tough teams in Europe? Have we played any of them apart from Barcelona this season?