Champions League 2016/2017 (71 Viewers)

[lgorTudor]

Ancelotti bitching is laughable. He's had countless decisions go in his favour over the years in CL. One match with a couple poor calls by the ref and now he is for VAR. Apparently he wasn't for VAR before this match

When you're winning it's all daisies. When you lose, VAR!

does he know that build up for Ramos OG was offside?

 

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[zizinho]

thats a soft yellow

 

[duranfj]

Over two legs we got screwed against Bayern. Quite a few calls didn't go our way.

What?? Did u mean against us? or in our favor?

People are saying all the time we sound like a Roma or Mapoli fan and that just makes me sick. In Italy they r a bunch of loosers, best proud is currently "sold tickets" investigation, while in Spain Laundry money, Tax fraud, ref helps (see what Pique wrote about today game and then read Ramos post game comments, they r talking loud and clear about it like if it was something normal) and noone is saying shit so WTH some calls Juve fans are saying that shit

 

[Ronn]

does he know that build up for Ramos OG was offside?

It was? legendary linesmen.

 

[Salvo]

What?? Did u mean against us? or in our favor?

People are saying all the time we sound like a Roma or Mapoli fan and that just makes me sick. In Italy they r a bunch of loosers, best proud is currently "sold tickets" investigation, while in Spain Laundry money, Tax fraud, ref helps (see what Pique wrote about today game and then read Ramos post game comments, they r talking loud and clear about it like if it was something normal) and noone is saying shit so WTH some calls Juve fans are saying that shit

Against us

 

[zizinho]

I'm almost sure that statistics back up the fact that Barcelona and Real Madrid get the most favors from refs in the Champions League. Another example is Milan in Serie A.

But suggesting that those teams buy refs is ridiculous and looks pathetic.

and no one here says that

 

[napoleonic]

They can do it for important decisions like goals, penalties and red cards. After each of those usually game is disrupted for a minute or so anyway. That's not hard to do really especially in an event like CL knockouts.

There are additional potential concerns :

1. Teams will demand video analyze for "hidden fouls" like what we got against mandzukic, we (every single team) are going to scream at fifa in the name of justice demanding equality for even the smallest incidents, snowball effect is inevitable, you can't just use video evidence for certain incidents.

2. As long as the one who do the video analysis are human, mistakes will still happen, outcry will actually be bigger...

3. The question about how long do they permitted to analyze the video?

 

[duranfj]

Against us

So it was just a misunderstood. We r in the same page

 

[Stephan]

Ancelotti bitching is laughable. He's had countless decisions go in his favour over the years in CL. One match with a couple poor calls by the ref and now he is for VAR. Apparently he wasn't for VAR before this match

When you're winning it's all daisies. When you lose, VAR!

And folks, lets just take a moment here that when Juve gets screwed same fashion, Post Ironic himself will join Ancelotti "bitching".

It could happen in less than 24 hours time given who we are playing.

 

[Salvo]

It has to do with how they play as well, the more time you spend in the opponents half and box the more chance there is of getting a controversial decision.

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[Ronn]

There are additional potential concerns :

1. Teams will demand video analyze for "hidden fouls" like what we got against mandzukic, we (every single team) are going to scream at fifa in the name of justice demanding equality for even the smallest incidents, snowball effect is inevitable, you can't just use video evidence for certain incidents.

2. As long as the one who do the video analysis are human, mistakes will still happen, outcry will actually be bigger...

3. The question about how long do they permitted to analyze the video?

1. Teams cannot get all they want. Mandzukic foul and yellow was not a game changing call.
2. The objective is not to eliminate human error but to reduce it. i can't see why they shouldn't do it.
3. Given that there are more than 10 cameras in each game I'm confident they can do it pretty quickly

 

[duranfj]

Yeah, it was a bad refereeing performance, that's all

So 1) Two clearly offside goals for Real in overtime 2) One red card to a Bayern player and a played it wasn't a fault 3)several yellow to Bayern players just for protest 4) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the penalty 5) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the fault against Robben 6)Not a yellow card to Casemiro for diving in front of the ref

You called that a bad performance? I called it a 100% biased referee

 

[IliveForJuve]

Each team should have a limited amount of times to watch replays. 2 or 3 should do.

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So 1) Two clearly offside goals for Real in overtime 2) One red card to a Bayern player and a played it wasn't a fault 3)several yellow to Bayern players just for protest 4) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the penalty 5) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the fault against Robben 6)Not a yellow card to Casemiro for diving in front of the ref

You called that a bad performance? I called it a 100% biased referee

I'm inclined to agree he was biased in some way

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and no one here says that

I do think there are bias when these teams play though

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So 1) Two clearly offside goals for Real in overtime 2) One red card to a Bayern player and a played it wasn't a fault 3)several yellow to Bayern players just for protest 4) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the penalty 5) not a yellow card to Casemiro for the fault against Robben 6)Not a yellow card to Casemiro for diving in front of the ref

You called that a bad performance? I called it a 100% biased referee

Bias, sure why not? We're all biased to some degree. Or maybe swayed by the home crowd. I just think that's football. No reason for me to believe it was intentional anyway

 

[Nenz]

I don't like too much your scores but for that amount, I would :xfinger: for you

So close!

 

[IliveForJuve]

 

[Post Ironic]

And folks, lets just take a moment here that when Juve gets screwed same fashion, Post Ironic himself will join Ancelotti "bitching".

It could happen in less than 24 hours time given who we are playing.

I wasn't for VAR after we were on the receiving end of the bad call for Morata goal last year which was far more clear an onside than either of these goals were offside.

Please continue crying about UEFA fixing matches for the Spaniards with refs.

And yes. I will bitch immediately after poor referee decisions against Juve, but I certainly won't hold onto some whacked out conspiracy about UEFA for months afterwords

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Anyways. I'm done. This argument is going nowhere.

 

[Snobist]

Did you guys decide all the rules? I will PDF, then send them over to UEFA.

 

[juventus4life]

How are they going to do that exactly? Have a ref assistant in multimedia room watching replays and informed the ref for every decision? Will there be a time limit on how long are they permitted to analyze the evidence? And what are they going to do with the game while at it?

I don't see how video evidence can be used to officiate football matches without resorting to either : killing the game flow from reviewing the evidence or we developed intelligent enough AI to inform the ref fast enough.

Googled for you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_replay_in_American_and_Canadian_football

Each coach is allowed two opportunities per game to make a coach's challenge.
Don't worry about stopping the flow.

 

[napoleonic]

1. Teams cannot get all they want. Mandzukic foul and yellow was not a game changing call.
2. The objective is not to eliminate human error but to reduce it. i can't see why they shouldn't do it.
3. Given that there are more than 10 cameras in each game I'm confident they can do it pretty quickly

1 & 2 : your view is too naive and here I'm already disproving that view plus proving my view; I don't agree that such incidents are not game changing, a foul for sergi roberto and a yellow card for him instead for mandzukic and juve could be a game changer, we could've scored from that hypothetical free kick, sergi could be red carded later in the game...

How can that not be a potential game changer?

There are other kind of incidents, like what inter bitched on our last match, people will demand video analysis for that...

All we need to have is some people forming public view on social media to push the agenda.

You let that snowball slide and that agenda will happen, only a matter of time.

And the human factor will get even more exposed with video, in fact the video analysis itself would be the key for people to bitch about everything.

There are alternatives for certain kind of incidents like offside, we can have alternative that doesn't involve video analysis, something like goal line tech.