Champions League 2016/2017 (69 Viewers)

[Stephan]

It looks so clear on the still, but in real life it happens all so fast if you don't have slow motion.

I even thought it was legit til i saw the replay.

Might as well stop using assistant refs then. He is perfectly positioned and he doesnt see it. There are other ways this could be solved with chip tech.

Noone is suggesting ref job is easy but i very much doubt even the likes of @Post Ironic & @GordoDeCentral would be thrilled if Juve would lose in similar fashion.

I mean even Ancelotti said time for technology:

Carlo Ancelotti warned “it’s time for VAR, because you can’t decide a Champions League semi-final spot like this” after Bayern Munich’s controversial loss to Real Madrid.

The Germans had lost 2-1 on home turf in the first leg, but turned it around at the Bernabeu to match them 3-3 on aggregate and on away goals.

Arturo Vidal was sent off for a second bookable offence when replays clearly show he got the ball, so it was not even a foul.

It went to extra time and Cristiano Ronaldo scored two offside goals on the way to a 4-2 victory on the night.

“We had thought of everything going into this game – except the referee. It’s a pity, because it was the perfect game otherwise,” Bayern Coach Ancelotti told Mediaset Premium.

“I am very proud of my players, as they did all they could and more, but then it went the way it went… The referee probably wasn’t up to the task.

“I don’t think Real Madrid have any influence on referees. The officials tonight simply got it wrong. I had never been in favour of VAR technology, but I must admit it’s necessary now.

“You can’t decide a Champions League semi-final spot like this. I spoke to (Zinedine) Zidane after the game and he agreed with me that the refereeing performance was negative.

“It shouldn’t be happening at this level and I hope the referees will be helped by technology as soon as possible.”

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

 

[lgorTudor]

Over both legs Bayern had the same amount of ref mistakes going their way. But you only remember pro spanish decisions since
a) witchhunt atmosphere, as italian football fans you should be ashamed of participating in this since we've been on the pointy end of that hunt for decades
b) la liga brings most teams to the table so it appears that they have most shit going their way but if they're 3 spanish teams in the semis ofc most mistakes will favour the spanish

Didn't they win Bundesliga already?

DFB-Pokal against Dortmund and I'm also worried from human bean perspective

 

[Salvo]

Why not use refs from the top 4 leagues? An Italian could've reffed this game

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[lgorTudor]

Why not use refs from the top 4 leagues? An Italian could've reffed this game

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Rizzoli fucked up the first leg
Orsato made terrible calls at Dortmund - Monaco
They are just human beans under a lot of pressure.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Might as well stop using assistant refs then. He is perfectly positioned and he doesnt see it. There are other ways this could be solved with chip tech.

Noone is suggesting ref job is easy but i very much doubt even the likes of @Post Ironic & @GordoDeCentral would be thrilled if Juve would lose in similar fashion.

I mean even Ancelotti said time for technology:

Stop, and this is coming from the mod, not the member

 

[Stephan]

Over both legs Bayern had the same amount of ref mistakes going their way. But you only remember pro spanish decisions since
a) witchhunt atmosphere, as italian football fans you should be ashamed of participating in this since we've been on the pointy end of that hunt for decades
b) la liga brings most teams to the table so it appears that they have most $#@! going their way but if they're 3 spanish teams in the semis ofc most mistakes will favour the spanish (

Same amount? 2 offside goals and a player sent off. There are also people who think Casemiro should have been sent off during the second leg.

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Stop, and this is coming from the mod, not the member

Cant have civilized discussion here about football games anymore? What is the point of this forum then? Its not like im the only person here who think Bayern got hard done out there.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Is this the missed call that shouldve been his second yellow? Because I don't think refs should be trying to right a wrong with another wrong. That would set a really bad standard imo

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Same amount? 2 offside goals and a player sent off. There are also people who think Casemiro should have been sent off during the second leg.

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Cant have civilized discussion here about football games anymore?

You can, trolling and abusing mention feature are no nos

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Is this the missed call that shouldve been his second yellow? Because I don't think refs should be trying to right a wrong with another wrong. That would set a really bad standard imo

Who says the ref was trying to right his wrong? If there was some conspiracy, the ref would have sent off Vidal earlier and no one could have complained

 

[Ronn]

Zidane was stupid not to sub Casemeiro. Ref could've sent him off twice.

 

[napoleonic]

Some European leagues start to do video technology as pilot programs. Hope it will be a part of modern football top competitions soon.

How are they going to do that exactly? Have a ref assistant in multimedia room watching replays and informed the ref for every decision? Will there be a time limit on how long are they permitted to analyze the evidence? And what are they going to do with the game while at it?

I don't see how video evidence can be used to officiate football matches without resorting to either : killing the game flow from reviewing the evidence or we developed intelligent enough AI to inform the ref fast enough.

 

[Salvo]

Just name one game which we clearly got 4 major calls to our side

Casemiro red cards Vidal red cards CR7 second goal CR7 third goal

Over two legs we got screwed against Bayern. Quite a few calls didn't go our way.

 

[duranfj]

Vidal should have been sent off earlier

Agree and Casemiro too. Nevertheless, The BIG issue is when the ref finally decided to showed the second yellow to Vidal was in a play that it wasn't even a fault and if it wasn't enough, a few minutes later Casemiro did a dive that make Suarez feel proud in front of the ref and still nothing... DISGUSTING

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Agree and Casemiro too. Nevertheless, The BIG issue is when the ref finally decided to showed the second yellow to Vidal was in a play that it wasn't even a fault and if it wasn't enough, a few minutes later Casemiro did a dive that make Suarez feel proud in front of the ref and still nothing... DISGUSTING

Yeah, it was a bad refereeing performance, that's all

 

[Salvo]

How are they going to do that exactly? Have a ref assistant in multimedia room watching replays and informed the ref for every decision? Will there be a time limit on how long are they permitted to analyze the evidence? And what are they going to do with the game while at it?

I don't see how video evidence can be used to officiate football matches without resorting to either : killing the game flow from reviewing the evidence or we developed intelligent enough AI to inform the ref fast enough.

I think it is only used to assess a penalty or goal scoring situation. Everything else is still up to the ref. Maybe red card situations as well.

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[Ronn]

How are they going to do that exactly? Have a ref assistant in multimedia room watching replays and informed the ref for every decision? Will there be a time limit on how long are they permitted to analyze the evidence? And what are they going to do with the game while at it?

I don't see how video evidence can be used to officiate football matches without resorting to either : killing the game flow from reviewing the evidence or we developed intelligent enough AI to inform the ref fast enough.

They can do it for important decisions like goals, penalties and red cards. After each of those usually game is disrupted for a minute or so anyway. That's not hard to do really especially in an event like CL knockouts.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I'm almost sure that statistics back up the fact that Barcelona and Real Madrid get the most favors from refs in the Champions League. Another example is Milan in Serie A.

But suggesting that those teams buy refs is ridiculous and looks pathetic.

 

[Post Ironic]

Ancelotti bitching is laughable. He's had countless decisions go in his favour over the years in CL. One match with a couple poor calls by the ref and now he is for VAR. Apparently he wasn't for VAR before this match

When you're winning it's all daisies. When you lose, VAR!

 

[Stephan]

How are they going to do that exactly? Have a ref assistant in multimedia room watching replays and informed the ref for every decision? Will there be a time limit on how long are they permitted to analyze the evidence? And what are they going to do with the game while at it?

I don't see how video evidence can be used to officiate football matches without resorting to either : killing the game flow from reviewing the evidence or we developed intelligent enough AI to inform the ref fast enough.

Lot of people saying this are perfectly fine of certain players wasting time and stopping game with them rolling around fake injury and then medical team coming on, taking further seconds and mins away and once he is taken off, he magically is totally fine 10 seconds later and is trying to signal the ref for allowing him to rejoin. Game was interrupted in the process 2-3 mins. And the whole point was the waste time there by the player, interrupting the game flow.

In todays modern world where everyone has a smartphone and ipad/tab i dont see how ref cant use one while officiating a match. There could be some itech assistance who puts the replay on the device. Or, they already use the headphone/mices, let someone check the replay in the tech room and then signal the right outcome through the microphone.

And some of these moments arent interrupting the game as much as the naysayers believe. For example the offside goal, if its a goal you check it while they celebrate, and you can overrule it then. If its legit, then it stands. Players are "wasting time anyway while celebrating right now and the ball gets put in the middle of the pitch.