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Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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Holdon said:
Saw that too. When Paxman told him if he wanted to live under Islamic law that he should go back to Iran, the guy retorted that this land (Britain) belonged to Allah, I wanted to put my boot through my TV.

It doesn't and never will.
Agreed entirely. Britain will become an Isalmic state quite literally over my dead body.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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Zlatan you asked why bringing Turkey into the Eu would cause more trouble than its worth. Firstly I can't see a single benefit from having them in, I mean other than perhaps having cheaper shish kebabs, what tangible benefits would there be to the average EU citizen?

Problems would be the fact that hundreds of Turks could come straight over here and settle down! Then there's the whole Islam vs the West thing going on, it seems pretty obvious to me that the two worlds cannot co-exist as one, so why try to make that happen. there's only going to be more unrest and violence if we invite such a country any closer.
 

AzherIqbal

Junior Member
Nov 15, 2005
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Turkeys entry is vital to dispel the myth the EU is christian club.

Turkey has major economic benefits to the EU. Its economy is the fastest growing in europe.
 

Torkel

f(s+1)=3((s +1)-1=3s
Jul 12, 2002
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AzherIqbal said:
Turkeys entry is vital to dispel the myth the EU is christian club.
I don't get that, isn't it? Are there many other European nations that aren't christian?
Turkey has major economic benefits to the EU. Its economy is the fastest growing in europe.
Well, economy is growing, but their GDP per capita is very low, and there are many poor people there, who could seek a better life in countries with better welfare systems. I'm not qualified to determine if the effect will be positive or negative, but you have to look at both sides, and in EU (and other) terms Turkey is not an economic superpower.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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Torkel said:
I don't get that, isn't it? Are there many other European nations that aren't christian?

Well, economy is growing, but their GDP per capita is very low, and there are many poor people there, who could seek a better life in countries with better welfare systems. I'm not qualified to determine if the effect will be positive or negative, but you have to look at both sides, and in EU (and other) terms Turkey is not an economic superpower.

Well, neither are Slovakia, Latvia, Malta, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.
 

Torkel

f(s+1)=3((s +1)-1=3s
Jul 12, 2002
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Zlatan said:
Well, neither are Slovakia, Latvia, Malta, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.
And therefore lots of people didn't want them in. I'm not by any means saying Turkey will be one of the weaker economies, far from it.
 

Torkel

f(s+1)=3((s +1)-1=3s
Jul 12, 2002
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Zlatan said:
True, but you must admit that a lot of the scepticism Europ has towards Turkey joininf the Eu is because of the religion.
I haven't really caught the debate too closely living outside of the EU, but that wouldn't surprise. And following the recent events, I would say a debate about/thinking about it is warranted. Also with Turkey you have the human rights issue.
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
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Torkel said:
I haven't really caught the debate too closely living outside of the EU, but that wouldn't surprise. And following the recent events, I would say a debate about/thinking about it is warranted. Also with Turkey you have the human rights issue.
Da. Slowly we bribe them into western civilisation.
 

AzherIqbal

Junior Member
Nov 15, 2005
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Once its human rights and cyprus is sorted out, the EU have no more excuses to deny them entry.

I think it'll take just over 10 years or so for Turkey to join.

ps Turkey has jost got a 6 game stadium ban for the incident with Switzerland/

A bit harsh and I think politcally motivated by that idiot Sepp Blatter.
 

ildivino

Junior Member
Sep 21, 2003
250
personally, i think something like this has been coming for a long time.....and living in the uk, where there are apparently 2 million muslims (though i honestly cant believe it is as little as that), i can only see things getting worse.

I personally have no time whatsoever for religious fundamentalists of any type, and find it very hard to understand how on earth so many millions can lead their lives being governed by, well, hearsay and unproven beliefs.

Organised religion is really about power, and in the way that the christian church held power 400 years ago etc so the islamic clerics are holding power now....

Why cant people leave their beliefs at the door of their place of worship and realise that in public life (locally or globally) they have no right to dictate to the masses....unless religion can be proven to have any basis for fact it should not be playing such a major and important part on the world stage...

I now await a bolt of lightning from above to silence my satanic and heathen opinions.......
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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Tom said:
Zlatan you asked why bringing Turkey into the Eu would cause more trouble than its worth. Firstly I can't see a single benefit from having them in, I mean other than perhaps having cheaper shish kebabs, what tangible benefits would there be to the average EU citizen?

Problems would be the fact that hundreds of Turks could come straight over here and settle down! Then there's the whole Islam vs the West thing going on, it seems pretty obvious to me that the two worlds cannot co-exist as one, so why try to make that happen. there's only going to be more unrest and violence if we invite such a country any closer.
Before even the Turks come straight over and settle down, there is a HUGE amount of them in Germany and with Turkey joining the EU all these will become German citizens. Just imagine.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,414
AzherIqbal said:
Turkeys entry is vital to dispel the myth the EU is christian club.

Turkey has major economic benefits to the EU. Its economy is the fastest growing in europe.
Do you have numbers for this last claim you made?
 

ildivino

Junior Member
Sep 21, 2003
250
on another point, as a british citizen it was heartwarming to see so many of my fellow 'citizens' protesting so vehemently over cartoons-pity none of the same people came out in protest when terrorist lowlifes were sawing off the heads of british and other countries citizens...

I believe bush and blair should be brought to book over illegal actions in Iraq, but i still believe millions of people should be asking themselves if their beliefs are really what should be driving them in this day and age...
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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AzherIqbal said:
Turkeys entry is vital to dispel the myth the EU is christian club.

Turkey has major economic benefits to the EU. Its economy is the fastest growing in europe.
turkey must start to respect human rights and get a democratic country before coming into EU
 

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