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Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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It is always tough for South American players to adapt to the Premiership...they always do better in either Spain or Italy...any1 of the 2 arentines would be a great transfer coup...we could use another forward as well as a DM so lets hope both are willing to come to Juve
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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It's certainly no surprise most South American players fail to make their mark in the EPL... the fast pace and emphasis on strength power and speed destroys the game for them. That's why there is this convoluted hype surrounding the EPL which is based upon the sacrifice of beauty for power. Too be honest, I'm glad many South Americans fail in such an atmosphere... just so the definition of MY beautiful game is protected.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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Just cause Carlos can't handle counter attacking doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game. There are and have been several South American players to find success in the EPL. The problem South American players have is probably the same for anyone who transfers to a new club in a different country. Give Tevez half a year and I think you will be surprised at how well he does.
 

Jem83

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Enron said:
Just cause Carlos can't handle counter attacking doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game. There are and have been several South American players to find success in the EPL. The problem South American players have is probably the same for anyone who transfers to a new club in a different country. Give Tevez half a year and I think you will be surprised at how well he does.
Veron was crap in Man United.
Crespo was ok though not brilliant for Chelsea.
Roque Junior received the nickname "Rocky Horror" from Leeds-fans.
Angel has been a solid striker for Villa but not 'Great'.
Forlan almost couldn't score ANY goals for the Manure.

The only player I can remember doing very well is Juninho for Middlesbrough back in the day.

It really seems as though South American players experience such a culture shock coming to England that they just can't seem to find their form, ever.

Mascherano and Tevez are world class players and they're playing shite!

The EPL differs. It's a great league but it's very different from what these players are used to.

You could be right, though, maybe they will improve in time. But I wouldn't count on it.
 

Enron

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Jem83 said:
Veron was crap in Man United.
Crespo was ok though not brilliant for Chelsea.
Roque Junior received the nickname "Rocky Horror" from Leeds-fans.
Angel has been a solid striker for Villa but not 'Great'.
Forlan almost couldn't score ANY goals for the Manure.

The only player I can remember doing very well is Juninho for Middlesbrough back in the day.

It really seems as though South American players experience such a culture shock coming to England that they just can't seem to find their form, ever.

Mascherano and Tevez are world class players and they're playing shite!

The EPL differs. It's a great league but it's very different from what these players are used to.

You could be right, though, maybe they will improve in time. But I wouldn't count on it.
You are correct in that most offensive players don't to well, I think the EPL success of South American players is held by defenders. If you watch South American football you find some of the leagues and teams have a very similar style, the play can be very up and down. But to say the style of the EPL ruins South American players is a bit of a stretch.
 

Jem83

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Enron said:
You are correct in that most offensive players don't to well, I think the EPL success of South American players is held by defenders. If you watch South American football you find some of the leagues and teams have a very similar style, the play can be very up and down. But to say the style of the EPL ruins South American players is a bit of a stretch.
Well they ruin themselves don't they, by going there :D

Come on Carlos! Juve is the place for you :agree:
 

Ahmed

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Enron said:
You are correct in that most offensive players don't to well, I think the EPL success of South American players is held by defenders. If you watch South American football you find some of the leagues and teams have a very similar style, the play can be very up and down. But to say the style of the EPL ruins South American players is a bit of a stretch.
it doens not "ruin" them but it is apparent that they not do well in the EPL...wjen Crespo came on loan to Milan he was sensational, Veron also gave solid performances at Inter and Forlan has totally reinvented himself at Villareal...
 

Bjerknes

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Enron said:
You are correct in that most offensive players don't to well, I think the EPL success of South American players is held by defenders. If you watch South American football you find some of the leagues and teams have a very similar style, the play can be very up and down. But to say the style of the EPL ruins South American players is a bit of a stretch.
It's not a stretch at all... you can see what happens just by watching the said players play. Veron could no longer have the time to size up his masterful 50-yard long balls, Crespo could no longer thrive off of playmakers sliding through balls past Italian defenses and had to deal with the quicker pace which obviously he couldnt handle, Forlan could not put up with long ball after long ball played to him as he's used to playing with the ball on the ground etc etc. In my opinion the style of the EPL DOES ruin South American players as they simply cannot do what they're capable of in a league where speed and power are the main attributes. It's simple really... creativity can easily be outmuscled when 99% of your opponents have the English football mindset.

Assign Vincent Van Gogh to a house painting crew and you don't garner the masterpieces anymore..
 

curi83

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Aug 9, 2006
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I think that if we will try to get Mascerano that will be ok but instead of loose a lot of Money on Tevez (that will only become if we will sell Trez or even Search a Sub for DP and let dye Bojinov) then it will be a lot better to get Huntelaar. He will be for sure cheaper and Huntelaar is still proven in Europe and Ready for a Big League.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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i can't say i have been impressed with Huntlaar when i have seen him.
he looks like a decent player but no good enough for Juventus, i could see him at Fiorentina or Palermo level.
 
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Jem83 said:
The only player I can remember doing very well is Juninho for Middlesbrough back in the day.

It really seems as though South American players experience such a culture shock coming to England that they just can't seem to find their form, ever.

Mascherano and Tevez are world class players and they're playing shite!
Ossie Ardiles and Ricky Villa also. Edu.

To be fair there haven't been that many.
There is one of those untruths being bounded around: South American can't play in England. It's just like the Spanish can't play in Italy. Complete codswallop.

A

to silliness.
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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I think Tevez's style is more suited to Italian football, rather than the EPL

I honestly dont think we have a shot at getting him...unless West Ham wants a straight swap of Zalayeta for him :D

I also think Robinho is much better suited for La Liga...he wouldn't do well in Italy
 

Ahmed

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it's pretty simple...if fiorentina want bojinov back (very possible) then go for tevez...but definitely sign Mascherano
 

beto'92

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Jul 20, 2006
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I really have nothing against having South American players for Juve. Infact I really think that it would be worthwile signing Tevez when we get into Serie A. Even a loan would be great.
 

boekhorst

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May 29, 2006
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ahmedz said:
it's pretty simple...if fiorentina want bojinov back (very possible) then go for tevez...but definitely sign Mascherano
unfortunately, bojinov's status is full ownership ( exchange with adrian mutu ), it's very difficult if bojinov went back to fiorentina ...
 
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