Capital Punishment (21 Viewers)

Do you support Capital Punishment?

  • Yes i support Capital Punishment

  • No I dont support Capital Punishment

  • I Dont care much about the issue

  • Cannot Decide, In Some Cases Yes, Others No


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Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
people can always escape from prison and every time that happens a shock goes through a society
ever heard of Marc Dutroux?
he was a convicted child murderer and rapist
he was sentenced to life and he escaped a couple of years ago
he was caught later on but you can't believe the terror that caused here in Belgium
I'm not saying you should kill him because he scares people but for the crimes he did
My answer: the prison failed. Their job is to keep people in. Just because this guy escaped doesn't mean you should kill other people.

Agree?
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
heres balance for you: in a village of 50 people functioning normally, until one day one individual kills another. The inhabitants of the village all rely on each other for their standards of life to stay the same how do they remedy this situation, keeping in mind that the harmony of all the inhabitants how do you remedy
Case study, feels like school :D I assume you know the answer or you wouldn't be asking?

I assume these 50 people don't run a prison cause that would detract too much from their productive endeavors? In that case I don't know, problem is too far removed from any common scenario I'm familiar with.

Or they do have a prison, in which case they put him in there, probably for life, and now 48 people have to decide how to redistribute their responsibilities. Since the loss of productive labor is proportional to the loss in population, that should be possible.

Furthermore, I would like the state in this 50 person country to offer therapy to those afflicted. That may not heal them completely, but it might help them rebuild their lives.
 

HelterSkelter

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2005
20,595
What about a crime of passion or a case of unintended murder resulting from neglect, bad judgement etc? Should those causes be dealt with to the same result as predetermined, calculated murder? How about the kid who shoots his brother by accident while playing with his fathers gun? Or the retarded man who has no idea what he was doing was wrong or any idea where he is or what will happen to him in the future? Are all these to be tried and sentenced the same, as murder?

I don't know about you but I'd rather see someone guilty of treason go to the death chamber than the retarded fellow or the unfortunate sibling mentioned above.
Im talking about a murder that took place with no trace of neglect,self defense etc in it.These are different cases,and yes they should be tried and sentenced differently.That is why i said that it is imperative that the system of Justice should be flawless,so a criminal can be handled keeping everything in mind and not just the act itself.Removing the death sentece to accomodate the innocent is not the right way to go.
 

David01

Senior Member
Aug 20, 2006
2,825
My answer: the prison failed. Their job is to keep people in. Just because this guy escaped doesn't mean you should kill other people.

Agree?
he obducted little girls, raped them and killed them
I believe 4 died and 2 were freed when they raided his place
for what he did, he should have been given the death penalty
there is absolutely no chance of rehabilitation here, he has never showed any remorse
you just want him in jail, ok but throw away the key
as long as he lives he will always be a danger
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Killing a criminal is the best preventive way to make other people who may think of doing the same crime think twice before doing anything...
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
he obducted little girls, raped them and killed them
I believe 4 died and 2 were freed when they raided his place
for what he did, he should have been given the death penalty
there is absolutely no chance of rehabilitation here, he has never showed any remorse
you just wabt him in jail, ok but throw away the key
as long as he lives he will always be a danger
So your whole argument is based on the fact that the prison isn't safe enough. Which I agree is a damning accusation to a prison, it's their only cause. That doesn't make it okay to kill people, the moral argument hasn't changed.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,801
Case study, feels like school :D I assume you know the answer or you wouldn't be asking?

I assume these 50 people don't run a prison cause that would detract too much from their productive endeavors? In that case I don't know, problem is too far removed from any common scenario I'm familiar with.

Or they do have a prison, in which case they put him in there, probably for life, and now 48 people have to decide how to redistribute their responsibilities. Since the loss of productive labor is proportional to the loss in population, that should be possible.

Furthermore, I would like the state in this 50 person country to offer therapy to those afflicted. That may not heal them completely, but it might help them rebuild their lives.
very insightful assessment, but killing the other guy always comes up as the most economical and fastest easiest way to restore the balance.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
So?The outcome is the same,but the situation isnt.
The action is the same. You think you can be superior to a barbarian if you have a good reason for murder? Think again.

You said killing without a reason is barbaric. That's not even true. A barbarian would never kill without a motive, considering the risk involved. A barbarian would kill for resources (what we call wars), or jealousy (what we call murder) or revenge (what you call justice).
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
So?The outcome is the same,but the situation isnt.

Person A kills another person in neglect.Person B kills another person in malice.

Should both be punished the same way?No.
A person steals because he's broke. Another steals for sport. Which one should be killed?

When you start with the assumption that someone must die, there's no way out.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,661
Im talking about a murder that took place with no trace of neglect,self defense etc in it.These are different cases,and yes they should be tried and sentenced differently.That is why i said that it is imperative that the system of Justice should be flawless,so a criminal can be handled keeping everything in mind and not just the act itself.Removing the death sentece to accomodate the innocent is not the right way to go.
Ah, so heinous crimes would be given the death penalty.

Because sentences are handed down by either a panel, jury or judge a justice system can never be flawless. Human error, emotions, experience, as well as cultural and ethnic biases are all factors that could give the wrong sentence to the wrong fellow. Even with a strong appellate court system, bad cases slip through the cracks. A simple case study of Texas executions over the last fifteen years will reflect that.(Just trust me)

That said no Justice system will ever be flawless no matter how complete or good it is. Therefore there is no chance that an alleged criminal will always be treated the same. And as every murder case is different there can be no precedents to set standards. The sentence of death has been and will always be an imperfect science and people who probably shouldn't get the death penalty from time to time be sentenced to just that. So since there can never be a flawless justice system you cannot always be 100% sure when sentencing a person to death.

Another note: Why not accommodate the innocent? After all they are who the Justice system in any country is there to protect.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
very insightful assessment, but killing the other guy always comes up as the most economical and fastest easiest way to restore the balance.
In your village of 50, yes. In the US apparently it costs more to execute people after 15 years in jail than just to keep them in jail. That's when you add all the costs of due process and so on.

Does economy trump humanity? Apparently in your view...
 

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