Capital Punishment (24 Viewers)

Do you support Capital Punishment?

  • Yes i support Capital Punishment

  • No I dont support Capital Punishment

  • I Dont care much about the issue

  • Cannot Decide, In Some Cases Yes, Others No


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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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After living for a decade in Texas I've grown a distaste for Capital Punishment. I've always been the indifferent guy, who says "The law is the law". But on the issue of Capital Punishment, I think it's uncivilized, indecent, and probably too easy of an out for some criminals. That said...

American prisons are cramped and crowded and many tax dollars go forth every year to preserving the lives of "life sentence criminals" who in some cases have done murder, rapes, torture, etc. Executing violent criminals with nothing to provide to society would be an efficient way to clear bed space and lower living expenses.

Then there is the part of me that was brought up to believe that every human being has some sort of worth, not matter what they've done or who they are. No matter how much I try to heed my parents words, I read about all the terrible things in the world done by terrible people and have come to the conclusion that this ideal just isn't so.

As much as I would like it to be true, some people just have no place in civilized society. It's something genetic that makes them enjoy doing terrible things or leaves them the uncanny ability to bad things and feel no responsibility, remorse, or sadness for what they've done. Those people do not belong in the world. Now there are those who do bad, realize that and show sadness, remorse, and a wish for redemption. Those people should live.

Given this hasty analysis. My conclusion, for the U.S., is that Capital Punishment should be handled on a strictly case by case basis. Not taking into account other similar cases past the verdict trial. Each case should go to sentencing as an individual, not lumped into a group of other similar cases. During the process, variables such as heinousness of the crime, motive, morality of the criminal (does he/she feel remorse toward the crime, joy? indifference?), as well as his or her prior lifestyle and worth to the community should be taken into account.*
I think a fairly similar process happens today, but for some reason many people with psychological disorders and mental disabilities as well as people caught up in a misguided moment of passion find themselves on a bed, in front of an audience, with a needle in their arm a feeling of burning, then warmth, then sleep.

*Side note: We really shouldn't kill people who suffer from mental retardation or psychological disorders. That's just messed up.
 

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Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
@martin

do me a favour then, hook me up with .txt versions of interesting reads, something captivating
If you like older books that are free from the sweaty paws of the copyright industry, there's a fabulous repository called Project Gutenberg. They have tons of public domain books, and apparently also starting to get some audiobooks recently. :heart:

And they have them all in .txt.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Oh dear god, man. "the bigger picture"? :D Ask not what your country can do for you is the deal of the day then.

I just find it completely absurd that anyone can consider the idea of capital punishment and say "yeah that seems like a good idea". Even if no people are ever unjustly executed. It's just so overwhelmingly counterintuitive that we should kill people because they committed crimes, it's just throwing in the towel.
You obviously picked me to have the argument with because I spelled it out, but anyone who has voted in favour of Capital Punishment is implicitly agreeing with what I said.

And I see from the second part of what you say that it is the principle of it that you are against.

I am not strongly in favour of CP. If someone could show me stats that conclusively show that CP doesn't work, I would change my view.
 

David01

Senior Member
Aug 20, 2006
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here in Belgium we have another sollution for the problem
a man rapes and kills a girl- he is sentenced to live in prison and walks after 10 years
what do you think will happen?
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I said No only because I could think of more reasons why it would be hard for someone to live for 80 years in prison with their problems than let them take the easy way out in 20.

But for extremely hard situations, I guess I could see it, which is why I'm going to add the option: "Cannot Decide, Some Cases Yes, Some No."
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
here in Belgium we have another sollution for the problem
a man rapes and kills a girl- he is sentenced to live in prison and walks after 10 years
what do you think will happen?
That's not just in Belgium, and for that matter has little to do with capital punishment. In places like the US you still have people who get sentences of 10-15 years for murder.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
@Trigger, Jack

Speaking of, check out this insane jail in Austria:
http://www.readnrock.com/?p=22

How on earth do these things get built? We may not agree on capital punishment in this thread, but noone here would approve this building as a friggin jail.
In Sweden I've heard of cases about people who do a crime immediately after they are let go just so they go back in again. Free living and free food, what would a bum ask for more?
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
In Sweden I've heard of cases about people who do a crime immediately after they are let go just so they go back in again. Free living and free food, what would a bum ask for more?
Cheapest gym ever. Even I would consider it after seeing that, unlimited indoor football, basketball mmmmh
 

HelterSkelter

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2005
20,595
I think i want to watch Shawshank Redemption again.

And threads merged with the one Geof mentioned.

Btw,i just saw a post by Maher in that old thread that wasnt ridiculed.That's a new:D
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
mmh thats a resounding "yes" if i ever heard one; the whole argument revolves around the sactity of life, whether you can ever take it.
No, what I said was that in some cases I can understand why some would be put to death, but I don't always agree with the reasons across the board.

It's a resounding "Undecided".
@Trigger, Jack

Speaking of, check out this insane jail in Austria:
http://www.readnrock.com/?p=22

How on earth do these things get built? We may not agree on capital punishment in this thread, but noone here would approve this building as a friggin jail.
I want to go to jail in Austria.
That's not just in Belgium, and for that matter has little to do with capital punishment. In places like the US you still have people who get sentences of 10-15 years for murder.
Not for 1st degree murder, maybe 2nd degree or 1st manslaughter.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Not me. Humans are flawed, as are their processes. The state-sponsored killing thing is dicey enough in war, although I am not entirely against all wars. I think it's worse against your own citizens and, unlike killing in war, motivated not out of be or be-killed.
 

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