Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (27 Viewers)

[Stephan]

I don't remember hearing much about Giraudo tbh. It was always Moggi who was being talked about.

It would be kinda funny if at the end of it all Moggi was cleared

Next thing you know, Alen will speculate if a deal was made that Moggi would testify against Giraudo in the court and get a free ticket.

 

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[Martin]

Next thing you know, Alen will speculate if a deal was made that Moggi would testify against Giraudo in the court and get a free ticket.

Well you never know, Moggi is pretty sly.

 

[Alen]

Next thing you know, Alen will speculate if a deal was made that Moggi would testify against Giraudo in the court and get a free ticket.

That wouldn't surprise me. Moggi strikes me as someone who'll sell his own children just to save his ass

 

[Martin]

That wouldn't surprise me. Moggi strikes me as someone who'll sell his own children just to save his ass

I love that thing about him driving a car with a handicap sticker for easy parking

 

[Stephan]

I know, and judging by Giraudos age, he would be dead by the time he gets free. Then Moggi only has to eliminate his family successors.

 

[Martin]

What about Bettega? Even if he did nothing wrong he must have known about this stuff going on. Imagine Giraudo and Moggi giggling around the lunch table. He comes in "what's up". "Oh nothing, nothing."

 

[Buck Fuddy]

As it was, the trials took less than a month and we were relegated. I mean, no legal system will allow that.

That's what continues to puzzle me to this day.

And all of what you are saying sounds really far fetched to me. Kinda like the plot of a lame courtroom thriller.


Then again, it's Italy we're talking about here.

 

[Stephan]

What about Bettega? Even if he did nothing wrong he must have known about this stuff going on. Imagine Giraudo and Moggi giggling around the lunch table. He comes in "what's up". "Oh nothing, nothing."

I think Bettega is least of Moggis problems.

I hear the roads in Italy are slippery near the mountains.

 

[Salvo]

didnt us accepting the ban have a lot to do with the world cup?

 

[Hist]

Perhaps Moratti owns the media, owns the trial in Naples, owned the initial calciopoli trial and has been giving Moggi and Juve fans hope that Juve did not cheat and may one day get back those scudetti.

 

[Red]

Giraudo, who is unlikely to serve his sentence because of the appeals process and a broad pardon for non-violent offences committed before 2006, asked to have a fast-track trial along with a number of referees implicated in the scandal.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1214/juventus.html?


That does sound like it has the potential to have been a plea bargain, Alen.

Nothing is said, Giraudo goes quietly, but then doesn't actually go to jail.

Everybody wins...

 

[Salvo]

jail seems a tad harsh doesnt it?

 

[Red]

It's probably meant to, if the suggestion that he won't actually have to serve his sentence is accurate.

 

[Hist]

jail seems a tad harsh doesnt it?

Assuming that He did cheat like the world media suggests 3 years are not enough

 

[Oggy]

didnt us accepting the ban have a lot to do with the world cup?

Maybe if we didn't accept the sentence and went to civil court, Italy would lost and the whole league. So we accepted the sentence and helped Italian NT and league and in return we got lower sentence. Ofcourse this would mean that we were guilty from the beggining, and they allowed us to make this deal in order to save club football in Italy, and we kinda learned our lesson...

 

[JuveJay]

Reading through the Giulemani article, it seems that the conviction was no different to what was found in the sporting trial; supposition, guilty of association, not the leader but they don't know who the leader was. Comical.

 

[C4ISR]

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So far it was going good for Juve and the fans who wanted the 2 scudetti back with 99% of the refs being innocent, ref designation system being clean, etc...but this one is a blow if the sentence stays like this.

How can they clear all the refs but still state Juve influenced results through them? If the ref's r innocent, than who did our "puppeteers" manipulate?

 

[Martin]

New article on gazzetta now: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/14-12-2009/sentenze-calcioscandalo--602317116237.shtml

L’Associazione — In parole povere questa sentenza conferma il teorema dell’accusa: esisteva un sodalizio che mirava a modificare i risultati delle partite di calcio attraverso azioni fraudolente. Ad Antonio Giraudo, comunque non è stata riconosciuta l’aggravante di essere uno dei promotori dell’associazione (è l’accusa mossa dai pm a Moggi e Fabiani imputati nel rito ordinario che domani mattina torna in aula con l’attesa testimonianza di Franco Carraro).

The sentence confirms the theory that there existed a plot to attempt to change the outcome of matches, using fraudulent means. For Giraudo, the charge of being among the leaders in this organization was dropped. The accusation remains with Moggi and Fabiani.

LE CONDANNE — Oltre all’associazione, Giraudo risponde anche di frode sportiva relativamente alle partite Juventus-Lazio, Udinese-Brescia e Juventus-Udinese. Pieri risponde anche per le gare Juventus-Chievo e Bologna-Juventus. Lanese non ha partite e risponde della sola associazione. Dondarini risponde della gare Chievo-Fiorentina e Juventus-Lazio.

Giraudo has also been found guilty of sporting fraud [in the matches mentioned]. (But it doesn't seem to transpire what he actually did about those matches.)

Questione etica — Giraudo, Pieri e Dondarini hanno ricevuto anche una sorta di Daspo: sono inibiti a freuentare stadi, ma anche a ricoprire cariche dirigenziali in società sportive e associative per tre anni. Si pone il problema per Marcello Nicchi che da poco aveva nominato come vicecommissario della Can D proprio Paolo Dondarini che aveva smesso di arbitrare. Dovrebbe scattare la sospensione per lui in attesa del naturale ricorso in appello che verrà promosso dagli imputati condannati

Giraudo also received a 3 year ban from attending matches or assuming management positions in any sporting organizations.

 

[Mark]

Reading through the Giulemani article, it seems that the conviction was no different to what was found in the sporting trial; supposition, guilty of association, not the leader but they don't know who the leader was. Comical.

Because the rito abbreviato stops at that time. After 2006 nothing counts in this case. It's meant to make a faster trial with no defense. Just give me my sentence and him out. Giraudo said the football world is not his anymore so that's why he went that way. He didn't want to pursue it like others are doing now. He's working in London now in a different field.

How can they clear all the refs but still state Juve influenced results through them? If the ref's r innocent, than who did our "puppeteers" manipulate?

I don't think all of them are yet but some of the big guns are getting cleared.

 

[Bjerknes]

I still have not seen any meaningful evidence against Giraudo, or even specification of what he did.