Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (54 Viewers)

[KB824]

Now Fiorentina and Lazio are what they used to be but we are not. Four years passed, we are still far from it.

But maybe it might also have to do with the fact that they just had more stuff on Juventus??

For everyone that is convinced that Juve are innocent, do you believe that the other teams are as well?

 

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[Snoop]

Now Fiorentina and Lazio are what they used to be but we are not. Four years passed, we are still far from it.

That's our idiocy. I mean this is what happens when you hire Ranieri, and sign clowns to save the team (For the past two years).

 

[Elvin]

Not all, but you will.
Unless we buy some handsome, good looking player. That might bring you back.

And it's bravo for me, brava for you.

Thanks for explaining the difference for me, Alena. Like I didn't put brava on purpose lol

Whatever, I should stop before your buddy Jack comes and bans me...

 

[Alen]

Now Fiorentina and Lazio are what they used to be but we are not. Four years passed, we are still far from it.

Fiorentina missed out on CL for two seasons in a row. In 2005/06 they ended 4th, but lost the CL due to Calciopoli.
In 2007 they'd have been 3rd if not for the 15 points deduction.

2 years without CL meant a fortune lost.
Last year they made it to CL and did bad. This year they made it again and they're doing much better.
With the money and the CL experience they lost due to not playing CL football in 2006/07 and 2007/08, they could have been a power house by now.

Yeah, theY certainly didn't lose as much as we did, but they lost A LOT.

 

[KB824]

Fiorentina missed out on CL for two seasons in a row. In 2005/06 they ended 4th, but lost the CL due to Calciopoli.
In 2007 they'd have been 3rd if not for the 15 points deduction.

2 years without CL meant a fortune lost.
Last year they made it to CL and did bad. This year they made it again and they're doing much better.
With the money and the CL experience they lost due to not playing CL football in 2006/07 and 2007/08, they could have been a power house by now.

Yeah, theY certainly didn't lose as much as we did, but they lost A LOT.

That's what I was trying to get at.

Thank you, Alen.

 

[KB824]

I know this is a Juventus forum, but why do a lot of people think that this is ONLY about Juventus??

this is much, much bigger than one club

 

[Cronios]

Of course it is, its them vs us!! They made an alliance to bring us down, no matter the cost and we sacrificed everything for the good of the Italian football...

what are your thoughts???

my thoughts are irrelevant for now, we will learn more pieces of the truth when the damage to us will be irriversable, maybe they will give us back a championship as a mockery prize when Inter will earn the third star...

So how exactly does docking Reggina 11 points and banning their president for two years shift the balance of power?

Sending a message, showing who the boss is, punishing cronies of the old alliance,
finding a random scapegoat to divert attention from the main issue,
o there are plenty of possible reasons other clubs were involved.

The whole case was too big not to involve them, since more or less, most of the clubs were involved and were aware of what was going on.

It was the perfect opportunity for the new age powers to use the leverage and authority they had and force all the teams to make an agreement on their own terms. This is how typically this business is run, we have seen the double standards on investigations and penalties. Which were totally irrelevant of the degree of guild,
you can tell why some teams were treated in a different way...

 

[KB824]

But Cronios, wouldn't Moratti be a part of that "old alliance" as well?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

But maybe it might also have to do with the fact that they just had more stuff on Juventus??

For everyone that is convinced that Juve are innocent, do you believe that the other teams are as well?

Fiorentina-Parma game which saved their ass from relegation is only fixed game according to court. Fiorentina did something, Milan's wrongdoings are proven. They have tapped their phone too. Milan executive Leonardo Meani was involved in serious shit if i am not mistaken. But as i said before Milan escaped because of Berluska's influence in country and others were just pawn, they were not targeted.

That's our idiocy. I mean this is what happens when you hire Ranieri, and sign clowns to save the team (For the past two years).

But our idiocy was expected. Like them or hate them when you got rid of best board you can ever have, idiocy will follow them.

 

[Hist]

I have a few questions to ask: (Please cite sources in ENGLISH)
(1) Is it true that they created a new rule during the time of our trial then changed it back?
(2) Is it true that the records of the phone calls were not allowed to be played during the court?
(3) Is it true that only Inter's phone calls where not bugged?
(4) Is it true that Milan's phone calls proved them guilty yet they weren't relegated?

 

[Mark]

Forget us vs them and shit. Do you guys find the decision was fair, harsh or not enough for Juve and the other clubs by reading, hearing the transcripts, watching the games, reasons behind the decision and stuff?

 

[Cronios]

But Cronios, wouldn't Moratti be a part of that "old alliance" as well?

Of course he was and the way Inter was erronated and was skipped from investigation was also dubious. The telephone conversations and the bulk of the entire investigation was aimed at us, they hardly bothered to look elsewhere,
because they didnt want to find more evidence.
Not because there was nothing else to look into. Is this justice?

There was never an intention for a full blown cleanse of the championship and all of the factors that made it what it were, is and always will be!
The evidence against others were mostly collateral damage, from the investigation made upon us...
The primary intention was to bring us down and coerce the others enough, to obey the new lords of serie A.
There was a change of powers/order, no purification. The old system was replaced with a new, modern and far more sofisticated system, embracing all the means of the new era. (Phone tapping, press control, bending sporting laws etc)

They had less to lose than us and Milan and since they were in total control of the process, the press, the laws and public opinion, they knew they couldnt lose there and since they had less influence, they probably had less implication and their role was easier covered up.
They have been preparing this for years, probing us for weaknesses, systematically.
EPO court, Cana drug video before the derby, etc
Even before this war started, the battle for us was already lost, they knew, we didnt have any political influence/power.
The worst we could do was silenzio stampa and answer on the field...
It was the perfect time to bring us down and timing is never random in these cases. Because we were now too weak to retaliate, too weak to resist.

I warned you that there was smth wrong and smth bigger was bound to happen,
long before calciopoli, we were far too successful, for our real political power to sustain this protagonistic role. Smth had to be done to change that, Milan couldnt take the gloves off, because their hands were too dirty and they had so much more to lose...they wouldnt risk it. But Inter didnt. They had the power they built/bought the means. And so they did!

Now the balance of power has been restored, once again!
We are not as strong as Berlu or Moratti and this is reflected on the new status quo.

Inter still needs to bring some real value to their titles, they know we are too crippled to threaten them and they still have Milan by the balls, somehow.
So they enjoying having us around

 

[C4ISR]

...

As for those who still believe we were guilty of match fixing, what piece of evidence are you basing your opinion on?

I'm still waiting...

The fact of the matter is there was no evidence of Juventus fixing matches. Our relegation was therefore illegal. It's simple. All the other talk of Moratti, Telecom Italia, etc (no reasonable person can downplay the links between them), is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, because in the end, it takes proof to do what they did to us.

 

[Alen]

Was this posted?

New Calciopoli revelations Friday 6 November, 2009

A witness at the Calciopoli trial in Naples has spoken of his belief that balls used to draw referees for games in the 2004-05 season were in fact 'tricked'.

Manfredi Martino, the former secretary to the National Refereeing Commission [CAN] also alleged that former referee designator Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto asked him to put pieces of paper with the names of certain referees into specific balls.

“On two occasions Bergamo and Pairetto told me explicitly to put the names of certain games and the names of certain referees into the balls that were easily recognisable,” Martino said.

He went on to explain how the balls were recognisable, saying that they were discoloured and looked as if they had been used before.

Martino spoke specifically about the draw between a match between Milan and Juventus, which at the time was being billed as a title decider.

“My sensation during the draw for the referee for that game was that something hadn't gone right because there was a strange bout of coughing from Bergamo when the journalist employed to make the draw chose the referees' yellow ball.”

The testimony has come under scrutiny even from chief prosecutor Giuseppe Narducci.

Luciano Moggi's lawyer Maurilio Prioreschi also asked Martino: “Why didn't you say so before?”

To which Martino responded: “Perhaps I said it and the Carabinieri didn't verbalise it.”

The trial continues.
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[Quetzalcoatl]

Yeah, and Mark said that it's crap because the ref for the Milan-Juve game was Collina who definitely did not favour Juve.

 

[Salvo]

may i ask, why was it then that only juve were relegated and got the worst punishment?

doesnt seem right to me

 

[Mark]

You got 233 pages to find out.

 

[Nicholas]

I'd rather move on from this. It's the past and we should forget about it and move forward and look to the future. It shamed our club and Italian football. So for me best to start a new chapter and build our stature back up as one of the European Giants.

 

[cimenk]

This was a decent read...

Calciopoli Explained
Yes they were framed, let me spend a moment and break it down:
The characters:
Antonio Giraudo - Director at Juventus (Part of the media dubbed "Triade")
Luciano Moggi - Director at Juventus (Part of the media dubbed "Triade")
Roberto Bettega - Director at Juventus (Part of the media dubbed "Triade")
Massimo Moratti - President of Inter Milan
Guido Rossi - The judge in charge of the Calciopoli trials
Telecom Italia - Telephone/Mobile service provider in Italy
Pairetto - Serie A Referee Designator (In charge of choosing referees for games)
Bergamo - Serie A and Champions League Referee Designator (In charge of choosing referees for games)
Giacinto Facchetti - Then Inter General Director (Deceased)

In May of 2006, Telecom Italia leaked telephone transcripts to all the newspapers in Italy of conversations between Luciano Moggi and Pairetto & Bergamo. The conversations revealed that Moggi would call them and say things like:
"What the hell kind of referee was that? That was clearly a penalty! You're man is blind, you better give us a good referee in the next game"
"Who is our referee in the next game? What!! he is horrible!"
and in one case "I want Referee X for the next game." This was a summer friendly that meant nothing. It wasn't a league or cup match.
This was a shock that a club director was calling a referee designator.
But what Telecom Italia didn't leak to the media was the conversations between Fachetti (Inter Director) and Bergamo. In fact in a Sky interview Bergamo openly admitted that no delegate called him more than Facchetti. There is even one conversation where Fachetti is asking Pairetto for a good referee for a game vs Valencia in the Q-Finals of the Champions League after they had lost the first leg. Why wasn't this leaked to the papers?
Moggi was accused of selecting referees.
Moggi was accused of fixing matches.
Moggi was accused of giving Maseratis to referees.

Lets now look at Guido Rossi. Guido Rossi was the Vice-President of Telecom Italia. Guido Rossi was a board member of Pirelli. Massimo Moratti is the president of Inter. Massimo Moratti is a board member of Telecom Italia. Massimo Moratti is very close friends with Guido Rossi.

After the phone transcripts the head of the Italian Federation was forced to resign (Franco Carraro). Guess who was appointed as the new head of the Italian Football Federation? None other than Guido Rossi.
Guido Rossi's first task was sending Juventus and several other clubs (Milan, Fiorentina, Parma etc.) to a trial where the judge was none other than GUIDO ROSSI!
A man that has no experience in football is installed as the head of the FA and as the judge in the biggest scandal in Italian Sport history!

The trials lasted a few weeks. You know how much time Juventus were given to defend themselves and to argue their case? 45 minutes. In a trial that lasted weeks, they were given 45 minutes! The Juve lawyers asked that the telephone transcripts be played in court so that they can argue that the proof is very weak. The Judge (Guido Rossi) refused the request! The reason this whole scandal erupted was the phone transcripts. The biggest evidence used to accuse Juve was the phone transcripts and not even one minute was played for the court to hear!

Guido Rossi ended the trials by convicting Juve of "Unsportsmanship"! What the hell does that mean!
The only match that was proved to be fixed was a Parma vs Fiorentina match that helped Fiorentina escape relegation.

Juve, Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina were demoted to Serie B. Days later Milan, Lazio & Fiorentina were reinstated in serie A. And Juve's negative 30 points in Serie B were reduced to 17.

Juve obviously outraged at the mockery of the trials threatened to take the matter to Civil Courts (Real Court of Law, where the Law is properly applied).
But UEFA and FIFA forbid Government intervention in football and if Juve had taken the matter to Civil Courts, Serie A would have been put on a hold. All Italian Clubs would have been banned from European competitions and the National team would have been banned from qualifying for Euro 2008. In other words Italian football would have come to a grinding halt.
Two hours before Juve were supposed to take the matter to the Civil Court, Juve surprisingly withdrew their appeal and "surprisingly" days later Juve's 17 point penalty were reduced to 9 points.

After the trials were over and the new seasons had started, the Italian Federation realized that Guido Rossi's position as President and his affiliation with Inter Milan and Massimo Moratti was deemed as conflict of interest and he was asked to step down. A little too late, the damage was done.

Guido Rossi was rewarded for his hard work to return to Telecom Italia as Vice President.

I know it's a long read, but if you read it it will make much more sense. Calciopoli or Farsopoli was a joke. It was an attempt to stop the dominance of Juve and Milan and shift it to Inter.

Oh by the way, the next two seasons in Serie A (when things are "clean"), there was a study done by Cambridge University that Referee Errors were at an all time high with Inter Milan being the biggest beneficiaries of these "errors".

In 2008 Gazetta Dello Sport an Italian Sports Newspaper released a table that showed that if there were no Referee Errors, Inter would have been 4th instead of 1st and Juve would have been 1st instead of 3rd.
In 2009 they did the same thing and revealed that Milan should have won the league if it wasnt for referee errors and not Inter.
(http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66121)

+rep, good post weedguru. It answer all my questions about calciopoli back then. In 2006 i hadn't joined this forum and i rarely browse internet so i just read the news in my local paper that write the news separately. All i know that time is that

There is taped conversations between Moggi and the official designator but then i questioning how can Moggi does match fixing when he just talk with the referee designator. And there is no referee punished for the scandal. And the taped conversations is beginning 2004/2005 season, and why it's revealed in the end 2005/2006 when we already won two championship in a row.

They also the taped conversations between Fachetti and the referee designator and why it's not revealed and they are not punished. And i read that Moratti is a part of board in Telecom and that the Judge (Guido) is a part of member in Telecom and Pirelli. And how this can be allowed.

And why we cancel our appeal on civil courts. And your post answer all my questions back then. Hope some day the truth is revealed

 

[V]

Not all, but you will.
Unless we buy some handsome, good looking player. That might bring you back.

And it's bravo for me, brava for you.

Isn't Diego pretty enough?