Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (40 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

That was one of the best claims ever.

Luca Montezemolo is chairman of Ferrari and Fiat. Why would he care if Juve turning into a midtable club or disappearing from history completely.

As a pragmatic businessman he needed that sponsorship deal to make more:money: . we can't blame him for being prick. this is what he supposed to do. if he wasn't a prick he wouldn't be president.

on the other hand eliminating most powerful man in the club in order to gaining control is like killing two birds with one stone. was there another way to replace Tamoil with New Holland?

 

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[C4ISR]

What threats from FIFA and UEFA. Would you please provide us with these facts you just mentioned?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=376927&cc=5901

Quick google turned up this. There are many more I remember reading. Key snippets from that article, dated August 2006:

FIFA on Wednesday threatened to suspend World Cup champion Italy and all Italian clubs from international competition should Juventus appeal to a civil court, prompting the Italian soccer federation's warning.

Juventus formally notified an administrative court in Rome that it will appeal its sentence in a match-fixing scandal -- despite the Italian soccer federation warning it could trigger more disciplinary action.

And this part is my absolute favourite:

FIFA said that forcing a decision before a civil court would interfere with the autonomy of the soccer world and undermine the sport's arbitration system. Any possible suspension would be indefinite and could stop Italy from taking part in qualifying for the 2008 European Championship.

Juventus wanted to force it before a court outside of the sporting justice because there clearly was no autonomy or impartiality in the sporting court that sentenced us. Guido Rossi and Telecom Italia prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Mark]

You're saying the sporting justice, Guido Rossi and all the guys in charge back then were not honest and objective? How dare you? You should believe in the sporting justice. Especially in Italy dude.

 

[KB824]

Inter. Question answered.

OK. See this doesn't make any sense. If Inter were out to turn Serie A into a Nerazzuri monoploy, then they would have made even more allegations towards Milan, who coinceidentally, was, and still is usurping them on the European Stage. Inter were still getting into the Champions League, were they not?

Regardless of their final standing in Serie A, Inter were still getting in the CL, and what better way to advance their own agenda in the Champions League than to rid themselves for at least 2 years of the one team in Italy that has proven to be superior than them on a consistent basis on that stage. And their in-city rivals to boot.

 

[JBF]

OK. See this doesn't make any sense. If Inter were out to turn Serie A into a Nerazzuri monoploy, then they would have made even more allegations towards Milan, who coinceidentally, was, and still is usurping them on the European Stage. Inter were still getting into the Champions League, were they not?

Regardless of their final standing in Serie A, Inter were still getting in the CL, and what better way to advance their own agenda in the Champions League than to rid themselves for at least 2 years of the one team in Italy that has proven to be superior than them on a consistent basis on that stage. And their in-city rivals to boot.

Milan is untouchable with Berlusconi.

 

[KB824]

Milan is untouchable with Berlusconi.

And everyone thought Juventus was untouchable, too

 

[JBF]

And everyone thought Juventus was untouchable, too

We were when we had him in charge:

 

[Elvin]

Sergio, JBF said what I was gonna say.
Berlusconi is the prime minister of the freaken country ffs.

 

[KB824]

Sergio, JBF said what I was gonna say.
Berlusconi is the prime minister of the freaken country ffs.

But he wasn't Prime minister during that time

 

[Elvin]

But he wasn't Prime minister during that time

Still not the guy you'd wanna mess with, no?

Everyone thought Juve was untouchable.

 

[Alen]

OK. See this doesn't make any sense. If Inter were out to turn Serie A into a Nerazzuri monoploy, then they would have made even more allegations towards Milan, who coinceidentally, was, and still is usurping them on the European Stage. Inter were still getting into the Champions League, were they not?

Regardless of their final standing in Serie A, Inter were still getting in the CL, and what better way to advance their own agenda in the Champions League than to rid themselves for at least 2 years of the one team in Italy that has proven to be superior than them on a consistent basis on that stage. And their in-city rivals to boot.

That's what never made sense to me. People are talking about a huge conspiracy with most of the big guns in Italy involved in it.
For such a conspiracy, there must be something really big as a reward. Usually, it's oil, billions of dollars etc.
But what was the reward in this case?

A potential scudetto for Inter? Even if winning the scudetto was guaranteed, which wasn't, was something like that worthy of such a huge scandal where all the calcio lost millions, lost its reputation, lost quality etc.
Was all this done just so Inter will win a virtual reward (it's not like Moratti won billions or millions with Inter finishing first. No, his team only won a flag on their jersey).

 

[C4ISR]

But he wasn't Prime minister during that time

His company has very large TV contracts with the league.

 

[Elvin]

It's not "just one Scudetto" ffs, it ended a 20 year old drought, and they won 5 in a row as a consequence of the whole thing.

 

[KB824]

His company has very large TV contracts with the league.

But the fact of the matter is they were still penalized. And I know that their penalty paled in comparison, but they were obviously convicted of doing something illegal.


If Milan were let of the hook, or not even have their name mentioned in all of this, then I could see where there is some sort of grand conspiracy to bring Juventus down, but it wasn't just Juventus who got caught up in all of this. It was Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina, and Juventus.

And this is where everybody's arguments don't make sense. If juventus was not guilty of this, then none of the other teams should have been as well.

And now you are running into a situation where this was all some trumped up, complex network of lies to bring down 5 clubs, one of them for some odd reason, maybe because Moratti and his minions felt that it would make sense, is a minnow known as Reggina.


does that make sense to anybody?

For some reason, everybody thinks that it was only Juventus who suffered in all of this. Although they suffered the most, they weren't the only ones that did

 

[JBF]

But the fact of the matter is they were still penalized. And I know that their penalty paled in comparison, but they were obviously convicted of doing something illegal.


If Milan were let of the hook, or not even have their name mentioned in all of this, then I could see where there is some sort of grand conspiracy to bring Juventus down, but it wasn't just Juventus who got caught up in all of this. It was Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina, and Juventus.

And this is where everybody's arguments don't make sense. If juventus was not guilty of this, then none of the other teams should have been as well.

And now you are running into a situation where this was all some trumped up, complex network of lies to bring down 5 clubs, one of them for some odd reason, maybe because Moratti and his minions felt that it would make sense, is a minnow known as Reggina.


does that make sense to anybody?

For some reason, everybody thinks that it was only Juventus who suffered in all of this. Although they suffered the most, they weren't the only ones that did

Dude, I'm not saying that Juve didn't cheat, we did but so did Milan, Inter, Fiorentina,....etc except Roma as i recall. But what makes it a Conspiracy is the fact that Inter with arrangements with TIM had their calls covered while other teams had their evidence at court, and when there is a case there is a sentence so Berlusconi did what he could do, and that is making a sentence which will least damage his beloved club.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

But the fact of the matter is they were still penalized. And I know that their penalty paled in comparison, but they were obviously convicted of doing something illegal.


If Milan were let of the hook, or not even have their name mentioned in all of this, then I could see where there is some sort of grand conspiracy to bring Juventus down, but it wasn't just Juventus who got caught up in all of this. It was Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina, and Juventus.

And this is where everybody's arguments don't make sense. If juventus was not guilty of this, then none of the other teams should have been as well.

And now you are running into a situation where this was all some trumped up, complex network of lies to bring down 5 clubs, one of them for some odd reason, maybe because Moratti and his minions felt that it would make sense, is a minnow known as Reggina.


does that make sense to anybody?

For some reason, everybody thinks that it was only Juventus who suffered in all of this. Although they suffered the most, they weren't the only ones that did

They were involved to confusing public opinion. at the end none of them suffered seriously, except us. only their name involved.

are we discussing Berlusconi seriously? no matter he is president or not he is the most influential guy in his own country.

what potential scudetto Alen? they have quaranteed 5 scudetti in a row with a completely beaten,weakened Juventus. remember our 5 five year plan. We have accepted not winning scudetto in next 5 years after returning serie a.

 

[Alen]

They were involved to confusing public opinion. at the end none of them suffered seriously, except us. only their name involved.

are we discussing Berlusconi seriously? no matter he is president or not he is the most influential guy in his own country.

what potential scudetto Alen? they have quaranteed 5 scudetti in a row with a completely beaten,weakened Juventus. remember our 5 five year plan. We have accepted not winning scudetto in next 5 years after returning serie a.

How was this guaranteed?
Did Moratti know that Milan will have a shitty transfer policy, that Berlusconi will stop putting money in the team, that Milan will become so shitty?
Inter started the season with 8 pts advantage over Milan, but that was all. The only advantage over Milan.
So how did Moratti know that ,even with Juve out, Milan won't keep beating the shit out of Inter, as they did in the previous 17 years before 2006?

 

[KB824]

They were involved to confusing public opinion. at the end none of them suffered seriously, except us. only their name involved.

are we discussing Berlusconi seriously? no matter he is president or not he is the most influential guy in his own country.

what potential scudetto Alen? they have quaranteed 5 scudetti in a row with a completely beaten,weakened Juventus. remember our 5 five year plan. We have accepted not winning scudetto in next 5 years after returning serie a.

Fiorentina losing 15 points, having 2 home matches behind closed doors, thereby losing revenue (and quite a bit since all of their matches sell out) and being kicked out of the Champions League hurt them.

Lazio losing out on the Uefa Cup and having 2 matches played behind closed doors hurt them.

Please don't assume that those punishments didn't hurt those teams, given their financial situations and standings.

 

[Elvin]

Guys who doubt us is the reason nothing has happened yet. We're supposed to be united, it's us against them, that's how it should be.
But often in this forum you see people taking the wrong side... not the side of reason but THE WRONG SIDE.
This is what's disturbing to me personally.

and yes, YOUR ARE NOT FUCKIN REAL FANS, cut the bullshit please...

 

[Alen]

1. are we discussing Berlusconi seriously? no matter he is president or not he is the most influential guy in his own country.

2. They were involved to confusing public opinion.

And this "most influental guy" allowed his team to be involved in the scandal just so Moratti will confuse public opinion?