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L'autista
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I don't think that's a question of "worship" or anything. You and I have been around these forums long enough to know a number of great posters who tired of people who would rather act drunk than hold a good conversation and thus no longer post here.

It's their choice, of course. Obviously we all make our own choices. And no question I join in with my own inane blather here on a regular, enjoyed basis. But just allow me to have my moment to plea for the occasional constructive conversation around here without chasing it away with an influx of foolishness and misplaced arrogance.
 

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ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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I don't think that's a question of "worship" or anything. You and I have been around these forums long enough to know a number of great posters who tired of people who would rather act drunk than hold a good conversation and thus no longer post here.

It's their choice, of course. Obviously we all make our own choices. And no question I join in with my own inane blather here on a regular, enjoyed basis. But just allow me to have my moment to plea for the occasional constructive conversation around here without chasing it away with an influx of foolishness and misplaced arrogance.
haha I share the same thoughts as you, that's y I choose to appear now and then. Everything is a mess here.
 

ZhiXin

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in all fairness, we (or some of us at least) did give paul a hard time when he was mr.know it all
Depends on how you look at it, you can't have the whole world to go along with you, but one thing that I feel which is seriously lacking here is giving people the benefit of doubt. That's y I don't debate with people that much compared to the past but instead I read their opinions with an open mind. There is always a reason for people who give opinions in the manner they present
 

Midzata®

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Jan 26, 2007
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Depends on how you look at it, you can't have the whole world to go along with you, but one thing that I feel which is seriously lacking here is giving people the benefit of doubt. That's y I don't debate with people that much compared to the past but instead I read their opinions with an open mind. There is always a reason for people who give opinions in the manner they present
I will, on the contrary... some of the many peoplr are givving oppinion just because they have too!!!
 

ZhiXin

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I will, on the contrary... some of the many peoplr are givving oppinion just because they have too!!!
And respect other people for what they did in putting in lots of effort in combining chunks of information together. If you think you can do a much better job that the forementioned people then go ahead. Valuable opinion as we all agreed is harder and harder to get by these days, and I admit I'm one of the people that don't post that much compared ot the past
 

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Sick avvy dude:tup: ...Where did u got it from??? ;)
Thanks, I made it myself.
:disagree: :tdown:

And people wonder why great posters and Juventini such as Paul no longer post here... because you have dunces who know fuckall about people and fuckall about Juve pushing such people away.

In reality, Paul is too good for this place now. Too many imbeciles with no respect prancing around.
Oh come on! I made a freaking joke because, whether you like it or not, it was amusing how all of you came greeting and cheering him with flowers and candy after one post. So OK, he was/is a smart guy, a great poster, with an in-depth knowledge of Juventus, but does that make him exempt from me making a joke about him?

Sorry if I wasn't around at the time Respaul graced the Juventuz.com forum boards, I'll be sure to google for someone's posts next time and examine them before I try to be funny and clearly step out of line.

Get of the pedestal.
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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I hate this Paul worshipping. Sure, the guy knows a lot about Juventus. So what.
Hi Andres, good to see you, I thought you went MIA

I don't know a lot about Juventus I admit, so what, but definitely capable enough for a good argument on psychology
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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Okay enough of the fun and games. Lets get down to brass tacks.

Yes Gsol you have done a lot of research, whoopee for you but pity your research did not cover a minor but really major detail of what it all boils down to.


JuveAdam touched on it but you brushed it off as usual.

We were relegated by a football tribunal not a court of law and that is the most important thing here to consider.

If I can just sidetrack for a while, and go to Rio Ferdinand's case, he was banned for a lengthy period of time.

HE DID NOT FAIL A DRUGS TEST, HE MISSED IT

He could have taken marijuana, cocaine, anabolic steroids thg or he could have been innocent , we don't know that and might never know it, what we do know is that his absence harmed Man United and England's cause in euro 2004

The big point here is that the fA did not have to prove his guilt, Rio had to prove his innocence.

If he took the case to court then it would have been up tot he FA to prove guilt but the case would have been prolonged and he would have missed possibly up to 2 years or so

Interestingly Edgar Davids, who actually failed a drugs test missed less time than Rio who may have been innocent

Bringing us to Juventus, we accused by Figc which is a football tribunal of manipulation of referees, and other offences.

Now yes the guys on the board were mainly made up of enemies that meant we had to come up with something really good to get out of the predicament.

It was not a court so they did not have to provide evidence or whatever, they just had to agree that there was skullduggery going on.

It was up to Juventus to prove that what we were accused of , we did not really do but obviously did not do that hence serieB

Now the clincher as you will be wondering why didnt Milan get relegated along with us based on suspicions.

It was mainly it was because the people accused on both sides are very different.

Luciano Moggi was Juventus, he played a major role and there was no way we could have used a loophole like Milan did as Meani, may be an employee but how many people knew him

Ironically moggi has been linked to mafia but he failed to do what the dons do by getting other people to do their dirty job because if it was not because of Moggi's involvement we would not have been relegated.

He had the chance to defend himself and coming up with leakage of transfers would have been considered weak.

How again the tribunal was very clever was by saying if we appealed or went to ccourt then the case would drag on and Italy would be suspended from euro 2008 as serieA would not have started.

This would have added to the hatred that we already possess with the other clubs that have suspected us forever

Yes Gsol , we all know about the the connections with the guys involved but we could not prove our innocence and it was not up to them to prove anything

And oh yes so just you know, unsportsman like behaviour was much more than calling a refree a fag, Moggi could not explain how and why he gave Pairetto a SIM card and we could not disprove all the charges brought against us adequately

If we do go to court however, then it is up to them to prove we did what they said we did.

But seriously what is this gonna do, unrelegate us?
 

Dasaev

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Nov 5, 2007
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gsol, just another sincerely posed question...and my apologies if it's already been posed before - have you taken into account that these ever so slightly disingenuous figures may have lied under oath? Most of them have made a career out of fibbing so why pray would they suddenly become pillars of virtue simply because they've been exposed? I don't buy it personally.

As I mentioned before, I don't believe that the authorities have the first idea what truly happened.
 
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gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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    denco you are really reaching.

    Meani was "L'Adetto agli Arbitri" for AC Milan and was among the highest paid directors on the team. Maybe you didn't know him but the FIGC did.

    A Sports Tribunal operates the same as a civil one where the accused is to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.
    Juventus did not have to prove their innocence but the other way around.In any case how could Juve prove anything, Rossi disallowed video evidence
    and the actual wiretaps to be used by the defence. It should also be noted that the defense (everyone not just Juve) had 3 days to state their case.

    All these points are maningless anyway. Juventus were wrongfully tried. All these little points don't change that.

    Moggi was linked with the mafia Denco? Come on don't make stuff up.

    "And oh yes so just you know, unsportsman like behaviour was much more than calling a refree a fag,
    Moggi could not explain how and why he gave Pairetto a SIM card and we could not disprove all the
    charges brought against us adequately"

    a) both denied that Moggi gave him anything
    b) that never came up the relegation because it was introduced after the trial ended...nice try though
     
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    gsol

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    gsol, just another sincerely posed question...and my apologies if it's already been posed before - have you taken into account that these ever so slightly disingenuous figures may have lied under oath? Most of them have made a career out of fibbing so why pray would they suddenly become pillars of virtue simply because they've been exposed? I don't buy it personally.

    As I mentioned before, I don't believe that the authorities have the first idea what truly happened.
    Do you realize that your theory renders every single trial in the history of court useless?

    What if everybody lied under oath?

    Come on...
     

    Dasaev

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    Nov 5, 2007
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    Some yes. All no.

    I just find it a little shortsighted that you're taking every piece of literature and documentation spewed forth as gospel.
     

    Gill_juve

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    wow..a rookie who doesnt know his ass from his face has some nerve to call anyone an ass licker

    I respect someone who knows more than I do about our team, and if you call that "ass licking" you better get your tongue ready, sucker, because you have your work cut out for you, lowly little rookie :p
    rookie at what? an internet forum, omg you are so sad. and that doesnt make any sense, 'lowly little rookie' ???
     
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    gsol

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    Some yes. All no.

    I just find it a little shortsighted that you're taking every piece of literature and documentation spewed forth as gospel.
    Sorry but I think you need to broaden your sense of justice. The accused can only be sentenced based on what occurs in trial. All that occurs in trial is documented. That is more than Gospel.
     

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