Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (72 Viewers)

JuveAdam

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Sep 12, 2006
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My avatar is actually a Fighters logo.
Sorry, my mistake

Trust me, few here are bigger fans.
Not a fair comment, how on earth could you know?

Why you are so interested in my thoughts about other things is almost flattering so here goes:
- Tiago will be great when he gets used to the league (he’s already showing signs)
- The referees are afraid that if they aren’t harsh with US that they will have their career dragged through the mud
- Chiellini’s sending off was harsh
- So was Coly’s
- Iaquinta’s goal was perfect
- The penalty showed contact but it was very slight…a soft penalty to say the least.
- Pisanu is great and should be at a big club…I’ve been saying that for 2 years
Jack, can he get a ban for going off topic now? :D (only kidding!)
 

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denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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“When have you credited anything that is remotely against what you have been typing since you got here?”
If someone is wrong I’m not going to give them a cookie Denco

“You continue to appeal to peopl'e emotions and not their intellect and this is why we are in conflict.”
Hahahahahahaha! That must be why I posted legal documents…to appeal to their emotions rather than their intellect. That’s your problem Denco, you think you are an intellectual.
Once again you managed to call what I wrote horseshit (because you don’t understand it) and now you are blaming me or guys like me for a cop shooting a Lazio fan? Stay on topic or admit that you have nothing to say.

“Did you ever ask yourselves how come a team like Parma is dominating Juventus? Why is it that teams get into our box far more than we get into theirs?”
Juventus won 3-1 on the field and settled for a 2-2 because of bullshit and you are justifying it? Can I ask why the fuck you are even posting this shit here anyway? There are other threads for these discussions. Why can’t you admit you have nothing left to say in this thread?

“A football federation is not a court and contrary to what gsol wants us to believe, the onus is not on the accusers but on the accused but that won't gel with his conspiracy theory so he discredits it as usual”
Wrong. Onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt. Always! Even in a sports tribunal. Your argument is a cop out. Read your friends post here. Even he agrees that the sentence was pre-written. Besides, Juventus didn’t have to prove that they didn’t fix matches BECAUSE IT ALREADY FUCKING SAYS SO IN THE SENTENCE Jesus Christ how many times do you have to hear that. Why would Juve need to prove something that the court acknowledges? There goes your stupid theory.
AND IT’S NOT THE FA!
So what if the sentence is Prewritten?

The sentence for unsportsmanlike behaviour of high proportions is relegation.

It had been decreed that Juventus would be relegated, we all know that, the only thing that could have saved us is if we proved beyond a shadow of doubt if we were in fact innocent of charges.

Stop trying to confuse people by saying a football tribunal is like a court case based on murder.

It is not up to the prosecution to prove anything in a football tribunal, suspicions are enough, rough as that may sound.

Also quit saying things I say are of topic because they are not.

Do you think I am not aware of fans going on forums talking about meeting up and having a fight?

Are you not inflaming the people on here with your preposterous theories palying on their emotions?

For goodness sakes we have just come from SERIEB and still people remember why we were relegated as our past regime were considered cheats and you are surprised that referees are giving every small decision against us

Ask teams that just came from serieB if they are treated any differently, welcome to the world of a small club that what they go through week in week out.

It is not a conspiracy against us it is the fact that we dominate teams and we are not regarded as 1 of the top teams and possibly the era of Moggi intimidation is gone and the referees are having their own back.

Is it fair ? Cos not, but no matter what this team achieves with everything put at them they would have done more than the era of intimidation and manipulation that blighted our success
 
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gsol

gsol

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    Yes we can. Maybe you should have watched. Juve were asleep for teh first half but scored three unanswered goals in the last 20 minutes. If the referee wrongfully calls back a legit goal we can absolutely blame him. Juve did their job. They outscored the opposition by 1 goal (I'd argue 2).
     

    serfaraaz

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    Yes we can. Maybe you should have watched. Juve were asleep for teh first half but scored three unanswered goals in the last 20 minutes. If the referee wrongfully calls back a legit goal we can absolutely blame him. Juve did their job. They outscored the opposition by 1 goal (I'd argue 2).
    :)
     

    serfaraaz

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    Calcio Debate: Juve Conspiracy Continues?

    Yesterday afternoon Juventus had three more controversial decisions go against them at Parma. Carlo Garganese asks when this is all going to stop…



    zoom - galleria November 11 is supposed to be a day of peace and a time of remembrance for all the soldiers who lost their lives in World War One.

    Unfortunately it only seemed to spawn more violence and pointless loss of life as Lazio supporter Gabriele Sandri was tragically, and it appears, accidentally shot dead by a policeman, following a fight between Lazio and Juventus supporters at a motorway service station near Arezzo.

    Now I don’t want to comment extensively on these terrible events just yet as it is at this stage still unclear exactly what took place.

    What is for certain however is that this tragedy and the ensuing chaos that saw the postponement of the matches at Inter and Roma, and the abandonment of the game at Atalanta, has overshadowed what would have been another refereeing uproar regarding Juventus.

    Now I don’t want to sound insensitive here as it is clear that the death of a 28-year-old who had his whole life ahead of him, is far more important than the footballing controversies that took place later the same day.

    However it is also important to note that Juventus were once again absolutely robbed by the referee during yesterday afternoon’s 2-2 draw at Parma.

    A couple of weeks ago, following the scandalous 3-1 defeat to Napoli, I wrote an article outlining the never-ending list of so-called refereeing 'mistakes’ that have cost Juventus points this season, and came to the conclusion that there was a post-Calciopoli conspiracy against Juventus.

    Yesterday three more decisions, two of them huge, went against the Bianconeri.

    RAI television’s weekly show, 'La Domenica Sportiva’ analysed all three of these incidents and the conclusion of virtually all the pundits and guests were, like me, that Juve had again been cheated.

    The first incident was just before half time when referee Gabriele Gava awarded a penalty for Parma for an apparent trip by Cristiano Zanetti on Brazilian striker Reginaldo.

    Andrea Gasbarroni stepped up and buried his penalty to give the home side a 1-0 lead, however replays showed conclusively that Zanetti had made no contact with Reginaldo.

    Juve striker Raffaele Palladino, who was a guest in the studio last night, said the following:

    “It wasn’t a penalty - look you can see. Reginaldo wasn’t touched.”

    The second incident took place in the 77th minute when Giorgio Chiellini slid in and won the ball with a strong challenge on Domenico Morfeo. While the pair were on the ground, Morfeo violently grabbed Chiellini by the face and the throat.

    Despite the Juve man not reacting to Morfeo, and with the fourth official only yards away from the action, the referee decided to issue straight red cards to both players.

    In truth the double sending-off probably helped Juve more than it did Parma, and the away side dominated the rest of the game, however Chiellini now faces a potentially costly three-match ban.

    Finally there was the biggest incident of them all. Deep into stoppage time, Vincenzo Iaquinta thought he had grabbed the winner after rising to head a cross past Luca Bucci.

    However Mr Gava controversially disallowed the goal for what many assumed must have been a push by Iaquinta on Parma defender Paolo Castellini. After the game Iaquinta could be seen asking the referee why the goal was disallowed, before then turning around in disbelief when told the answer.

    “Someone told me that I had committed a foul on Castellini so I went and asked the referee,” said the ex-Udinese star.

    “He told me that one of my team-mates had committed the foul. He just said it generically and would not tell me the name.”

    La Domenica Sportiva naturally reviewed the incident at length and showed that the only other Juventus player who was anywhere near Iaquinta was David Trezeguet. Replays proved conclusively that Trezeguet, like Iaquinta, did not commit any foul, thus leaving pundits in the studio completely bemused as to the reason why the goal was disallowed.

    I would like to stress once again that all these controversies are only of minimal importance, when compared to the tragic loss of a young man’s life.

    However the show must go on as they say, and it is quite clear that Juventus are continuously being penalised game after game. If you were to add on the number of points that the Bianconeri have lost due to refereeing 'errors’ this season then they would more than likely be sitting at the top of the league right now.
    http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=478259
     
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    gsol

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    Denco,
    "The sentence for unsportsmanlike behaviour of high proportions is relegation.It had been decreed that Juventus would be relegated, we all know that, the only thing that could have saved us is if we proved beyond a shadow of doubt if we were in fact innocent of charges."

    - no. that didn't need to be proven because we were guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct and we were not guilty of match fixing according to the court (no need for further proof). We should have only been punished for unsportsmanlike conduct which would have been fair. That being said though the most Juventus could have received was a fine and a 5 point deduction.

    "Stop trying to confuse people by saying a football tribunal is like a court case based on murder."

    Stop trying to confuse people into thinking that a sports tribunal is run backwards. Onus remains on teh prosecution to provide proof. Irrelevant anyway based on what I wrote above.

    "Are you not inflaming the people on here with your preposterous theories palying on their emotions?

    - no I quoted trial documents that are posted on the FIGC website...take it up with them and stop blaming me for what a trigger happy cop did.

    "For goodness sakes we have just come from SERIEB and still people remember why we were relegated as our past regime were considered cheats and you are surprised that referees are giving every small decision against us"

    - small? 7 penalties are small? Two disallowed goals are small? Three ignored penalties are small? In any case the referees should be focused on the game they are officiating...not on past regimes
     

    denco

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    Denco,
    "The sentence for unsportsmanlike behaviour of high proportions is relegation.It had been decreed that Juventus would be relegated, we all know that, the only thing that could have saved us is if we proved beyond a shadow of doubt if we were in fact innocent of charges."

    - no. that didn't need to be proven because we were guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct and we were not guilty of match fixing according to the court (no need for further proof). We should have only been punished for unsportsmanlike conduct which would have been fair. That being said though the most Juventus could have received was a fine and a 5 point deduction.

    "Stop trying to confuse people by saying a football tribunal is like a court case based on murder."

    Stop trying to confuse people into thinking that a sports tribunal is run backwards. Onus remains on teh prosecution to provide proof. Irrelevant anyway based on what I wrote above.

    "Are you not inflaming the people on here with your preposterous theories palying on their emotions?

    - no I quoted trial documents that are posted on the FIGC website...take it up with them and stop blaming me for what a trigger happy cop did.

    "For goodness sakes we have just come from SERIEB and still people remember why we were relegated as our past regime were considered cheats and you are surprised that referees are giving every small decision against us"

    - small? 7 penalties are small? Two disallowed goals are small? Three ignored penalties are small? In any case the referees should be focused on the game they are officiating...not on past regimes
    Try to understand before you attack.

    I meant every small or little thing we do to an opponent resuts in a penalty not that what has happened is small.

    A fine and 5-point penalty? Are you cracking jokes?

    Because you do not come across as the humorous type
     
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    gsol

    gsol

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    Is it funny?
    Because if it is you should read all the other punch lines that retired FIGC Judges and other legal representatives still present in the FIGC had to say. You think I made that up? That is right out of La Repubblica when judges (unfortunately for us not selected to preside over the trial) were asked what Juve’s punishment should have been. Many were present in court and all of them were privy to the same info as the rest of us seeing as everything has been made public. Who are you to question them. Should we believe that you are better equipped to judge an Article 1 violation than them? It is or was their job. I really wish you could read Italian.

    In any case relegation is not an Article 1 punishment. Not really sure why you are arguing that still.
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    I said you told me they were sweet, so I suppose I know, yes.
    seriously Hector, go back to grade school with your juvenile comments

    Long time since I heard that "season ticket holder" bit, I missed it, I think he even had it in his profile before.. He was formerly known as Shadowfax, right? Yeah I know him and I know most of the guys from this forum, before I started posting I was reading these boards regulary and I know more than you think.

    It's not about who I like, don't like, respect and disrespect, it's about you and some others who think just because few years ago you knew everyone and everyone knew you, that this place was oozing intelligence and proper conversations, there were no idiots and trolls, just great, smart guys who loved each other. Guess what, there were always idiots here, from Rainforest Liu to to Badass Devil.

    Just because Respaul or Sergio or whoever left doesn't mean he got sick of idiots, if he did then he's an idiot himself for reading another idiot's posts instead of simply overlooking them. Idiots and trolls were always here, just like on every other internet forum. Perhaps the man lost interest and doesn't have the time anymore, maybe he got married and had a child born, maybe he lost the finance to be a season ticket holder anymore and he's ashamed to post now because of it.

    Maybe I got it all fucking wrong, but you're acting like you and your gang are all smart and intelligent when you have guys like Burkes who are no better than m_elayyan or Badass Devil. But hey, he's your friend, you know him from day one and he's a good troll to have around.

    Also, I think password protecting that NATW thread is about pathetic as it can get. Did it give you your little privacy and rid you of idiots and trolls? Did it bring back intelligent discussions and those great old posters like Altair, Respaul, Sergio, Tom, Ian, Erik...? No, I don't think so, people got bored and left, no matter what they say the reason is that's most likely it. Believe me, when you finish college you'll leave too, when I get back to college and leave this boring ass work, I'll leave too. That's what people do, there's nothing wrong with it.

    I don't give a fuck about NATW and the intelligent posters that are there, I always knew you guys were some gang and had fun with each other and that was and is fine. I never wanted to post in that thread because I saw it was a private section on the forum and new guys were hardly welcome. Fine, but thread was nothing special, 70% of the time it was lame ass, stupid jokes made between 10-15 friends, here and there there was an intelligent discussion about anything but we have those on the rest of the forum as well.

    This forum still has great posters and always will, that's the bottom line. You speaking of some glory days of Juventuz.com is bullshit and I'll always read Dominic's or sateeh's match reports, yours and vinman's as well, because they always offer something interesting. I'll just skip elayyan's or devil's. I'll hope Jun-hide makes an appearance more often as well because he's IMO the best poster this board has ever had, but I won't kiss his ass when he comes or makes a return, I'll say hi, nice to see you and that's it. I won't say; "hey we miss guys like you, I wish we were all smart and great here, this forum reeks of idiots these days."

    But no, you gotta greet and hail your great poster, show everyone how he's your friend and the bestest, biggest Juventus fan in the world and in the process insult half of the forum's current users just because they're not the good old guys.
    I agree about the password nonsense...it was done by one of the mods on a knee-jerk reaction

    doesnt matter anyways, the maggot that it was intended to keep out managed to weasel the password out of someone who had it
     

    Gill_juve

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    this hole saga shows how serie A is deteriorating slowly but surely. man it makes me fell very sad, the attendances are getting lower and lower, increased violence and hysteria, will it ever turn around?.... someone console me :D
     

    JCK

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    Actually it was not on a knee-jerk reaction, it has been mentioned by the thread regulars then it was discussed by me and mikhail and we thought it is best for the whole forum that the thread is passworded. Pado can post his famous picture of Finny Longnuts and other units he usually does without disturbing the forum rules.
     

    Pingo

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    Ok denco what's your problem? Do u not understand the difference between the charges?

    1. An article 1 violation (points deduction + 5 point deduction- by FIGC)...That is what Juve was guilty off-unsportsmanlike conduct...Did "we" get that punishment? No...Thay give Juve a punishment that's baseing on article 6 violation (relegation), couse Juve where allegetly fixing the games...

    I am quoting the sentences from the Commissione d’Appello Federale (CAF) and Corte Federale (CF). The key points are:

    - Pg 74-75 CAF claims that there was no “cupola” or “Moggi System” contrary to the Gazzetta

    - Pg 76 claims no article 6 violations against Juventus and therefore introduces the structured article violation (much disputed by many legal entities) The reason this is so scandalous is because it attempts to convince the reader that a team (Juventus) was capable of obtaining a favorable position in the standings without fixing the results of a single game. My question is how? The only way to acquire points in the standings is by winning or drawing matches. If Juve didn’t fix any matches then the standings were legit right?

    - Pg 83 CAF states that referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC therefore all the phone calls made by Moggi to designer Bergamo were legal and altered no referee selections.

    - Pg 101 CAF I’m sure you heard of Moggi’s yellow card system to ensure key players were suspended for upcoming matches against Juve. On this page the sentence declares that the yellow cards were not organized.

    - Pg 65 CF claims that Moggi and Giraudo operated independently of Juventus and its owners. In other words the team should have been off the hook regarding relegation and only the two directors should have been on trial (that’s the little loophole that kept Milan in the CL)
    - Pg 61 CF states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive Serie A

    - Pg 66 CF states that though Moggi didn’t exercise his ability to condition games, he still possessed the ability.

    - Pg 74 CF admits that no proof of match fixing (article 6) exists.

    - Pg 77 CF finally states the proof used against Juventus “Juventus’ advantage was evidenced by their position in the standings at the end of the season”. That’s right…they were guilty because they finished first.
    That is public record, that is a fact....period.



    U have different judges like, CF Judge Mario Serio (“there was no illicit activity; the 2004-2005 season was not fixed") and CF Judge Piero Sandulli (“in spite of a lack of evidence regarding match fixing, Juventus were sentenced to Serie B and stripped of their titles after taking into consideration the collective interests of the parties involved in the investigation.”), stateing that Juve isn't guilty of cheating...
    But "thay" created (and later annulled) a structured article violation adding together various article 1 violations to compose and article 6 violation...This was widely criticized by other judges and lawyers...so if i was a shoplifter and stole some clothes, food and beverages, than i would be charged as a Bank robber- federal charge...

    No video evidence was allowed to be used by the defense and no witnesses were allowed to be brought forth + no wire taps were heard in court...So that we couldn't proof our innocence ...Does this look like a fair trial to you????
    Come on... You must admit that is a bit shady...no? Even if it was sports tribunal...
     

    Seven

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    seriously Hector, go back to grade school with your juvenile comments



    I agree about the password nonsense...it was done by one of the mods on a knee-jerk reaction

    doesnt matter anyways, the maggot that it was intended to keep out managed to weasel the password out of someone who had it
    If I ever get the chance to put a gigantic dildo in your ass, you'll bleed my friend..

    never say never I suppose.
     

    Lion

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    Jan 24, 2007
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    this hole saga shows how serie A is deteriorating slowly but surely. man it makes me fell very sad, the attendances are getting lower and lower, increased violence and hysteria, will it ever turn around?.... someone console me :D
    sure it will. If the punishments againt ultras actually become more extreme (in cases of riots and stupid acts) and when Italian clubs get banned out of Europe for a few years (who are we kidding it's going to happen sooner than later. Be it from another Calciopoli or crowd violence)


    that's the only way serie A will get back to formal glory. When it gets a nice hard punch in the face and not a pathetic slap on the hand.
     

    denco

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    These are excerpts from the sentences which sent Juventus to Serie B.

    First of all I want to explain the difference between an article 1 violation (points deduction) and an article 6 violation (relegation). Article one is unsportsmanlike conduct (badmouthing a ref) while article 6 is illicit activity (match fixing). Since no article 6 violations were found against Juve the CAF and FIGC did what has never been done before. The created (and later annulled) a structured article violation adding together various article 1 violations to compose and article 6 violation. This is like saying that 3 grand theft autos = a murder 1. This was widely criticized by other judges and lawyers.

    I am quoting the sentences from the Commissione d’Appello Federale (CAF) and Corte Federale (CF). The key points are:

    - Pg 74-75 CAF claims that there was no “cupola” or “Moggi System” contrary to the Gazzetta

    - Pg 76 claims no article 6 violations against Juventus and therefore introduces the structured article violation (much disputed by many legal entities) The reason this is so scandalous is because it attempts to convince the reader that a team (Juventus) was capable of obtaining a favorable position in the standings without fixing the results of a single game. My question is how? The only way to acquire points in the standings is by winning or drawing matches. If Juve didn’t fix any matches then the standings were legit right?

    - Pg 83 CAF states that referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC therefore all the phone calls made by Moggi to designer Bergamo were legal and altered no referee selections.

    - Pg 101 CAF I’m sure you heard of Moggi’s yellow card system to ensure key players were suspended for upcoming matches against Juve. On this page the sentence declares that the yellow cards were not organized.

    - Pg 65 CF claims that Moggi and Giraudo operated independently of Juventus and its owners. In other words the team should have been off the hook regarding relegation and only the two directors should have been on trial (that’s the little loophole that kept Milan in the CL)
    - Pg 61 CF states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive Serie A

    - Pg 66 CF states that though Moggi didn’t exercise his ability to condition games, he still possessed the ability. So since you have a car and a bottle of wine you could be tried for having the ability to drink and drive?

    - Pg 74 CF admits that no proof of match fixing (article 6) exists.

    - Pg 77 CF finally states the proof used against Juventus “Juventus’ advantage was evidenced by their position in the standings at the end of the season”. That’s right…they were guilty because they finished first. So you driving is proof of being a car thief too. Are you laughing yet?

    CF Judge Piero Sandulli had an interview in “Il Giornale” on the 27th of July 2006 where he was asked what the reasoning was behind the sentence he approved. His response was “there was no illicit activity; the 2004-2005 season was not fixed. The only doubt we had was Lecce-Parma (didn’t concern Juventus or Moggi) which we looked at again and again (with no video…whatever). In any case the season was legitimate.” I’ll just add that Sandulli has a criminal record for fraudulent activity while at Rome’s City Hall and is a die hard Lazio fan.

    CF Judge Mario Serio stated in an interview in “La Repubblica” on the 27th of July 2006 that “in spite of a lack of evidence regarding match fixing, Juventus were sentenced to Serie B and stripped of their titles after taking into consideration the collective interests of the parties involved in the investigation.” All of which happened to be Interista and not just from a fan point of view. See the facebook group to see who the key players in the investigation were and how they were tied to Inter.

    Note that no wire taps were heard in court. That’s right. Only pieces of transcripts were used, transcripts that have been manipulated by those that provided them to the court (see facebook group because I don’t feel like re-writing the names and confessions).

    Note that no video evidence was allowed to be used by the defense (see facebook videos)

    Note no witnesses were allowed to be brought forth

    Note that the defense had little more than 3 days to compile their arguments and that they were not presented with the evidence prior to the trial as opposed to what the law dictates…instead the press got a hold of the prosecution’s information first. Is it any wonder? Inter VP Carlo Buare owns la Gazzetta dello Sport and it is run by two major Inter Investors (Verdelli and Cannavo’) while il Corriere dello Sport is run by Bartolozzi (Inter Team Manager). There is more on this in the facebook writings.

    This is a fraction of what is out there. This is why I lose my mind when I hear that Juve are “cheaters” or that Moggi is a “criminal”.

    I’ll be happy to answer whatever questions I can and provide whatever else I can through email including the actual sentences if they interest anyone.

    I’ll eventually be adding the TAR appeal which Juventus mysteriously retracted hours prior to going to court. The appeal was considered to be profound enough to clear Juve’s name and crush the system that governs Italian soccer. After the appeal was retracted the FIGC publically thanked Luce di Montezemolo (FIAT Director and Ferrari President). Month’s later the same Tronchetti owned Telecom Italia (that spied on Juventus) sponsored Ferrari SpA in Formula 1.
    Lets us just assume that all this is true and lets us be clear that you have quoted pages that suit your purposes as there are other pages not cited.

    Do you mind explaining to us doubting thomases what pg 65 is all about?

    If Moggi and Giraudo are innocent as you have been telling us for weeks what is the use of mentioning that .

    That particular page is a total contradiction of everything about the other pages you have cited or am i missing something?

    How can they vindicate Moggi of all wrong doings and then say if he was acting independent of Juventus then Juventus would not have been relegated?

    Surely that means they have been up 2 no good .

    Anyways another confusing thing is you are telling me that the same people that accused Juve of cheating would ask themselves to provide evidence of juve cheating and then also pass sentence on the matter

    Does that make any sense to you?

    You see the way a football tribunal works as I know is that they accuse you of something and ask you to explain yourself, if you cannot explain adequately then you get punished
     
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    gsol

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    Do you mind explaining to us doubting thomases what pg 65 is all about?

    "If Moggi and Giraudo are innocent as you have been telling us for weeks what is the use of mentioning that .That particular page is a total contradiction of everything about the other pages you have cited or am i missing something? How can they vindicate Moggi of all wrong doings and then say if he was acting independent of Juventus then Juventus would not have been relegated?"

    You are asking yourself exactly what I asked myself Denco, the end result is that the sentence is an excuse. A means to an end.

    "Surely that means they have been up 2 no good."

    - Denco if they were up to no good, why couldn't they find at least one example outside of article 1 to lend themselves credibility? Don't say they hid it. On top of that being stupid (it only leads to appeals) it is illegal to withhold evidence in a trial once presented. It would have to be documented...yes even in a sports trial. You think because it has to do with a game that rules don't apply buty we are talking about a multi-million Euro a year business with shareholders...the rules apply.

    "Anyways another confusing thing is you are telling me that the same people that accused Juve of cheating would ask themselves to provide evidence of juve cheating and then also pass sentence on the matter Does that make any sense to you?"

    You've got it wrong. The judges were not the prosectors. The prosection cas "La Procura Di Napoli" and the judges are listed above. Not the same people.

    "You see the way a football tribunal works as I know is that they accuse you of something and ask you to explain yourself, if you cannot explain adequately then you get punished"

    You are wrong. In any case Juventus couldn't explain themselves because the wire taps in their entirety were not allowed to be presented as evidence, nor were eye witnesses or video tape evidence (that's what killed De Santis) as determined by Guido Rossi who was teh commissioner general of the trial. regardless Denco, the sentence already says that they were not guilty of Article 6, why would juve need to further prove it?
     

    Fred

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    seriously Hector, go back to grade school with your juvenile comments



    I agree about the password nonsense...it was done by one of the mods on a knee-jerk reaction

    doesnt matter anyways, the maggot that it was intended to keep out managed to weasel the password out of someone who had it
    I have nothing to do with this.
     

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