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I'm not on any fucking pedestal. All I'm doing is trying to make it clear the reason why we continue losing good posters. Whenever somebody such as Paul or Desmond or Sergio makes an appearance, the people who welcome them get blasted for supposedly "kissing their ass." The reason why I would like to hear Paul's view is because he damn sure knows more about the whole Calciopoli situation than anybody here. He's been a season ticket holder for God knows how long and has contacts in various media outlets. He certainly knows more about Juve than some of these idiotic trolls here now.
It's not like we don't value the opinions of more frequent posters here. But there was once a time that Juventuz had a plethora of good posters who actually added to the place instead of the usual, "Fuck Inters," or "Fuck Ibras." When some of the posters who left make a return, the first thing they see is this sort of crap, and that even makes me want to say fuck this place as well. You may not respect Paul, me or anybody else here. That's good great grand and wonderful. But spare us your comic relief when we actually want to hear the opinion of someone who knows a hell of a lot more about the topic than you do.
It's not like we don't value the opinions of more frequent posters here. But there was once a time that Juventuz had a plethora of good posters who actually added to the place instead of the usual, "Fuck Inters," or "Fuck Ibras." When some of the posters who left make a return, the first thing they see is this sort of crap, and that even makes me want to say fuck this place as well. You may not respect Paul, me or anybody else here. That's good great grand and wonderful. But spare us your comic relief when we actually want to hear the opinion of someone who knows a hell of a lot more about the topic than you do.
Andy, being a season ticket holder doesn't make you well versed in Juventus' legal matters.
Having contacts in the Italian media helps...but he's not the only one that has contacts in the Italian media, trust me.
You said he knows more than anyone here about Calciopoli. I don't doubt he is informed on Juve based on people's reaction here...but I wouldn't be so quick to discredit what has been written here or who wrote it.
Having contacts in the Italian media helps...but he's not the only one that has contacts in the Italian media, trust me.
You said he knows more than anyone here about Calciopoli. I don't doubt he is informed on Juve based on people's reaction here...but I wouldn't be so quick to discredit what has been written here or who wrote it.
Long time since I heard that "season ticket holder" bit, I missed it, I think he even had it in his profile before.. He was formerly known as Shadowfax, right? Yeah I know him and I know most of the guys from this forum, before I started posting I was reading these boards regulary and I know more than you think.
It's not about who I like, don't like, respect and disrespect, it's about you and some others who think just because few years ago you knew everyone and everyone knew you, that this place was oozing intelligence and proper conversations, there were no idiots and trolls, just great, smart guys who loved each other. Guess what, there were always idiots here, from Rainforest Liu to to Badass Devil.
Just because Respaul or Sergio or whoever left doesn't mean he got sick of idiots, if he did then he's an idiot himself for reading another idiot's posts instead of simply overlooking them. Idiots and trolls were always here, just like on every other internet forum. Perhaps the man lost interest and doesn't have the time anymore, maybe he got married and had a child born, maybe he lost the finance to be a season ticket holder anymore and he's ashamed to post now because of it.
Maybe I got it all fucking wrong, but you're acting like you and your gang are all smart and intelligent when you have guys like Burkes who are no better than m_elayyan or Badass Devil. But hey, he's your friend, you know him from day one and he's a good troll to have around.
Also, I think password protecting that NATW thread is about pathetic as it can get. Did it give you your little privacy and rid you of idiots and trolls? Did it bring back intelligent discussions and those great old posters like Altair, Respaul, Sergio, Tom, Ian, Erik...? No, I don't think so, people got bored and left, no matter what they say the reason is that's most likely it. Believe me, when you finish college you'll leave too, when I get back to college and leave this boring ass work, I'll leave too. That's what people do, there's nothing wrong with it.
I don't give a fuck about NATW and the intelligent posters that are there, I always knew you guys were some gang and had fun with each other and that was and is fine. I never wanted to post in that thread because I saw it was a private section on the forum and new guys were hardly welcome. Fine, but thread was nothing special, 70% of the time it was lame ass, stupid jokes made between 10-15 friends, here and there there was an intelligent discussion about anything but we have those on the rest of the forum as well.
This forum still has great posters and always will, that's the bottom line. You speaking of some glory days of Juventuz.com is bullshit and I'll always read Dominic's or sateeh's match reports, yours and vinman's as well, because they always offer something interesting. I'll just skip elayyan's or devil's. I'll hope Jun-hide makes an appearance more often as well because he's IMO the best poster this board has ever had, but I won't kiss his ass when he comes or makes a return, I'll say hi, nice to see you and that's it. I won't say; "hey we miss guys like you, I wish we were all smart and great here, this forum reeks of idiots these days."
But no, you gotta greet and hail your great poster, show everyone how he's your friend and the bestest, biggest Juventus fan in the world and in the process insult half of the forum's current users just because they're not the good old guys.
It's not about who I like, don't like, respect and disrespect, it's about you and some others who think just because few years ago you knew everyone and everyone knew you, that this place was oozing intelligence and proper conversations, there were no idiots and trolls, just great, smart guys who loved each other. Guess what, there were always idiots here, from Rainforest Liu to to Badass Devil.
Just because Respaul or Sergio or whoever left doesn't mean he got sick of idiots, if he did then he's an idiot himself for reading another idiot's posts instead of simply overlooking them. Idiots and trolls were always here, just like on every other internet forum. Perhaps the man lost interest and doesn't have the time anymore, maybe he got married and had a child born, maybe he lost the finance to be a season ticket holder anymore and he's ashamed to post now because of it.
Maybe I got it all fucking wrong, but you're acting like you and your gang are all smart and intelligent when you have guys like Burkes who are no better than m_elayyan or Badass Devil. But hey, he's your friend, you know him from day one and he's a good troll to have around.
Also, I think password protecting that NATW thread is about pathetic as it can get. Did it give you your little privacy and rid you of idiots and trolls? Did it bring back intelligent discussions and those great old posters like Altair, Respaul, Sergio, Tom, Ian, Erik...? No, I don't think so, people got bored and left, no matter what they say the reason is that's most likely it. Believe me, when you finish college you'll leave too, when I get back to college and leave this boring ass work, I'll leave too. That's what people do, there's nothing wrong with it.
I don't give a fuck about NATW and the intelligent posters that are there, I always knew you guys were some gang and had fun with each other and that was and is fine. I never wanted to post in that thread because I saw it was a private section on the forum and new guys were hardly welcome. Fine, but thread was nothing special, 70% of the time it was lame ass, stupid jokes made between 10-15 friends, here and there there was an intelligent discussion about anything but we have those on the rest of the forum as well.
This forum still has great posters and always will, that's the bottom line. You speaking of some glory days of Juventuz.com is bullshit and I'll always read Dominic's or sateeh's match reports, yours and vinman's as well, because they always offer something interesting. I'll just skip elayyan's or devil's. I'll hope Jun-hide makes an appearance more often as well because he's IMO the best poster this board has ever had, but I won't kiss his ass when he comes or makes a return, I'll say hi, nice to see you and that's it. I won't say; "hey we miss guys like you, I wish we were all smart and great here, this forum reeks of idiots these days."
But no, you gotta greet and hail your great poster, show everyone how he's your friend and the bestest, biggest Juventus fan in the world and in the process insult half of the forum's current users just because they're not the good old guys.
Wow, would you look at that, my opinion exactly, posted by someone else, but guess what, no direct reply from the man who has Calciopoli as his mastermind specialist subject, but answers every question with "they are all corrupt, everyone works for Inter, except the FIAT board who want their own company to be worth far less than it was before all this started, Juve is innocent, Moggi is snow white, Inter should be in Serie D.
Once again, we were punished by a sporting trial (which tends to be half a dozen fat FIGC fucks sat round a table, with a decision already made) not the supreme court you paint such a rosy picture of in your attempts to enlighten us, the "uneducated, uninformed know-nothings"
No, but it means you know what being a Juve fan is about, & that you know, just occasionally you might just be tempted from this thread & post an opinion about something else, like say - FOOTBALL?
Really? When have you credited anything that is remotely against what you have been typing since you got here?
You have tried and still trying to brain wash people into thinking that the whole plot was to get rid of Juventus because of their success.
You continue to appeal to peopl'e emotions and not their intellect and this is why we are in conflict.
It is a great tragedy what happened to the Lazio fan that died over the weekend but are we really surprised when we have people that go on forums trying to whip up anger and hatred to those that are too emotive to think.
It is disgusting to hear that Lazio fans and Juve fans are clashing, what the hell is connection and then I read some of the things that you have written here about how Lazio and Fiorentina got away with cheating but Lazio were saved because of Capitale and since they didn't relegate Lazio, it would have been impossible to relegate Fiorentina.
Of course you would have Juventus fans or so called fans that are easily conned into believing all the horseshit that is printed in other forums and you have a life taken just like that.
You can easily see it in this some of the posts feel with emotion and hatred by people that are from a very volatile culture and are so easy to get wound up.
The guys that are rioting are they football fans? Of course not they just need some people to start spewing nonsense and they bring their own agenda into it
What the fuck has a Lazio fan been killed got to do with Atalanta vs Milan if not for bandwagon effect and people witht heir own agenda using football as an excuse to exhibit their latent terrorism?
Almost every match thread I have read is talking about conspiracy, the referees are out to get you even from people that did not watch the game.
Penalties are given against us , its a conspiracy, its a directive from Collina to give a penalty against Juventus.
Did you ever ask yourselves how come a team like Parma is dominating Juventus? Why is it that teams get into our box far more than we get into theirs?
If a side is inside your penalty box more than your team, don't you think the probability of them getting a penalty is higher than ours?
How many penalties have actually being given against us at home? Thats right, 0
How many have we been given at home? I think it is 1, but why is that, if you do not attack constantly how are you gonna get into the box and dive or get brought down?
Sky sports is relishing bringing shame to Italian football because they like reporting bad stuff about Italian football.
Tottenham, 2 seasons ago were 4th, on the last day of the season but the fixture decreed that they had to travel to West Ham, apart from Arsenal, noone hates Spurs more.
What happened, half their side was hit by food poisoning and they lost the game. A little enquiry was made and nothing untoward was fine, bitter rivals Arsenal won their game and came 4th instead.
I shudder to think if this was Italy what would have been said, always looking for drama when there isn't 1.
A football federation is not a court and contrary to what gsol wants us to believe, the onus is not on the accusers but on the accused but that won't gel with his conspiracy theory so he discredits it as usual
You have tried and still trying to brain wash people into thinking that the whole plot was to get rid of Juventus because of their success.
You continue to appeal to peopl'e emotions and not their intellect and this is why we are in conflict.
It is a great tragedy what happened to the Lazio fan that died over the weekend but are we really surprised when we have people that go on forums trying to whip up anger and hatred to those that are too emotive to think.
It is disgusting to hear that Lazio fans and Juve fans are clashing, what the hell is connection and then I read some of the things that you have written here about how Lazio and Fiorentina got away with cheating but Lazio were saved because of Capitale and since they didn't relegate Lazio, it would have been impossible to relegate Fiorentina.
Of course you would have Juventus fans or so called fans that are easily conned into believing all the horseshit that is printed in other forums and you have a life taken just like that.
You can easily see it in this some of the posts feel with emotion and hatred by people that are from a very volatile culture and are so easy to get wound up.
The guys that are rioting are they football fans? Of course not they just need some people to start spewing nonsense and they bring their own agenda into it
What the fuck has a Lazio fan been killed got to do with Atalanta vs Milan if not for bandwagon effect and people witht heir own agenda using football as an excuse to exhibit their latent terrorism?
Almost every match thread I have read is talking about conspiracy, the referees are out to get you even from people that did not watch the game.
Penalties are given against us , its a conspiracy, its a directive from Collina to give a penalty against Juventus.
Did you ever ask yourselves how come a team like Parma is dominating Juventus? Why is it that teams get into our box far more than we get into theirs?
If a side is inside your penalty box more than your team, don't you think the probability of them getting a penalty is higher than ours?
How many penalties have actually being given against us at home? Thats right, 0
How many have we been given at home? I think it is 1, but why is that, if you do not attack constantly how are you gonna get into the box and dive or get brought down?
Sky sports is relishing bringing shame to Italian football because they like reporting bad stuff about Italian football.
Tottenham, 2 seasons ago were 4th, on the last day of the season but the fixture decreed that they had to travel to West Ham, apart from Arsenal, noone hates Spurs more.
What happened, half their side was hit by food poisoning and they lost the game. A little enquiry was made and nothing untoward was fine, bitter rivals Arsenal won their game and came 4th instead.
I shudder to think if this was Italy what would have been said, always looking for drama when there isn't 1.
A football federation is not a court and contrary to what gsol wants us to believe, the onus is not on the accusers but on the accused but that won't gel with his conspiracy theory so he discredits it as usual
Wow, would you look at that, my opinion exactly, posted by someone else, but guess what, no direct reply from the man who has Calciopoli as his mastermind specialist subject, but answers every question with "they are all corrupt, everyone works for Inter, except the FIAT board who want their own company to be worth far less than it was before all this started, Juve is innocent, Moggi is snow white, Inter should be in Serie D.
Once again, we were punished by a sporting trial (which tends to be half a dozen fat FIGC fucks sat round a table, with a decision already made) not the supreme court you paint such a rosy picture of in your attempts to enlighten us, the "uneducated, uninformed know-nothings"
No, but it means you know what being a Juve fan is about, & that you know, just occasionally you might just be tempted from this thread & post an opinion about something else, like say - FOOTBALL?
JuveAdam I did respond to that directly but in any case what you wrote is true too. When I say that the trial is to be like this and like that
it is because that is what thetrials ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE.
What you said about the trial being pre decided is unfortunately correct. Does that make it just?
How fucking long ago did I say that the sentence was "PRE-WRITTEN"?
Glad to see you agree.
Want to hear me post about the same old shit everyone else is already saying? About who to buy in January and how we got fucked yesterday? There are hundreds of people saying what I think in those matters.
“When have you credited anything that is remotely against what you have been typing since you got here?”
If someone is wrong I’m not going to give them a cookie Denco
“You continue to appeal to peopl'e emotions and not their intellect and this is why we are in conflict.”
Hahahahahahaha! That must be why I posted legal documents…to appeal to their emotions rather than their intellect. That’s your problem Denco, you think you are an intellectual.
Once again you managed to call what I wrote horseshit (because you don’t understand it) and now you are blaming me or guys like me for a cop shooting a Lazio fan? Stay on topic or admit that you have nothing to say.
“Did you ever ask yourselves how come a team like Parma is dominating Juventus? Why is it that teams get into our box far more than we get into theirs?”
Juventus won 3-1 on the field and settled for a 2-2 because of bullshit and you are justifying it? Can I ask why the fuck you are even posting this shit here anyway? There are other threads for these discussions. Why can’t you admit you have nothing left to say in this thread?
“A football federation is not a court and contrary to what gsol wants us to believe, the onus is not on the accusers but on the accused but that won't gel with his conspiracy theory so he discredits it as usual”
Wrong. Onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt. Always! Even in a sports tribunal. Your argument is a cop out. Read your friends post here. Even he agrees that the sentence was pre-written. Besides, Juventus didn’t have to prove that they didn’t fix matches BECAUSE IT ALREADY FUCKING SAYS SO IN THE SENTENCE Jesus Christ how many times do you have to hear that. Why would Juve need to prove something that the court acknowledges? There goes your stupid theory.
AND IT’S NOT THE FA!
If someone is wrong I’m not going to give them a cookie Denco
“You continue to appeal to peopl'e emotions and not their intellect and this is why we are in conflict.”
Hahahahahahaha! That must be why I posted legal documents…to appeal to their emotions rather than their intellect. That’s your problem Denco, you think you are an intellectual.
Once again you managed to call what I wrote horseshit (because you don’t understand it) and now you are blaming me or guys like me for a cop shooting a Lazio fan? Stay on topic or admit that you have nothing to say.
“Did you ever ask yourselves how come a team like Parma is dominating Juventus? Why is it that teams get into our box far more than we get into theirs?”
Juventus won 3-1 on the field and settled for a 2-2 because of bullshit and you are justifying it? Can I ask why the fuck you are even posting this shit here anyway? There are other threads for these discussions. Why can’t you admit you have nothing left to say in this thread?
“A football federation is not a court and contrary to what gsol wants us to believe, the onus is not on the accusers but on the accused but that won't gel with his conspiracy theory so he discredits it as usual”
Wrong. Onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt. Always! Even in a sports tribunal. Your argument is a cop out. Read your friends post here. Even he agrees that the sentence was pre-written. Besides, Juventus didn’t have to prove that they didn’t fix matches BECAUSE IT ALREADY FUCKING SAYS SO IN THE SENTENCE Jesus Christ how many times do you have to hear that. Why would Juve need to prove something that the court acknowledges? There goes your stupid theory.
AND IT’S NOT THE FA!
wowow man keep the fire down, no point arguing on an internet forum, I appreciate your time and effort to read our posts of insight and such, but then at the end of the day, our main point is just to share our views and GIVE RESPECT to each other. We may not be always right, but sharing an intelligent discussion is very refreshing for us you know, and that might just be what we want all along.
After all nothing is perfect in this world. No need ot get cross with such a trivial matter
Regarding jun-hide, -VoNaM-, Dominic and myself and some other people who we have missed out that belongs to the group of people I mentioned, we post just to share our views regarding certrain matters and despite having different views, we still respect each other. It is great to see myself being praised about my posts, this means that I'm up to the level and I want to know more. Indeed we learn a lot through these discussions, and you have to admit that these group of people are great posters as well despite not appearing pretty often.
This thread is meant to be a meaningful source for people to read, instead I don't know why gsol gets all the unnecessary attacks. Just give him the benefit of doubt and let him post what is meaningful resources to all of this. After all you don't get to see such resources easily mind you. About respaul, I know he has always been an intelligent poster, but I'm very sure there are people who are as intellect about Juventus as him around, just because they are Italian speaking based doesn't mean these people do not exist.
Speaking of this, what has this thread become? Get on topic. Besides I have some issues to ask about the Parma game too which everybody sees.
Don't you think Chiellini's direct red card is something amiss and it happens to fall in the time span of the Milan game?
People diving like no tomorrow and penalty kick given like leaves falling down from a tree during autumn?
Coly being sent off and Iaquinta's ONSIDE goal disallowed?
And
is it wrong to question these doubts?
After all nothing is perfect in this world. No need ot get cross with such a trivial matter
Regarding jun-hide, -VoNaM-, Dominic and myself and some other people who we have missed out that belongs to the group of people I mentioned, we post just to share our views regarding certrain matters and despite having different views, we still respect each other. It is great to see myself being praised about my posts, this means that I'm up to the level and I want to know more. Indeed we learn a lot through these discussions, and you have to admit that these group of people are great posters as well despite not appearing pretty often.
This thread is meant to be a meaningful source for people to read, instead I don't know why gsol gets all the unnecessary attacks. Just give him the benefit of doubt and let him post what is meaningful resources to all of this. After all you don't get to see such resources easily mind you. About respaul, I know he has always been an intelligent poster, but I'm very sure there are people who are as intellect about Juventus as him around, just because they are Italian speaking based doesn't mean these people do not exist.
Speaking of this, what has this thread become? Get on topic. Besides I have some issues to ask about the Parma game too which everybody sees.
Don't you think Chiellini's direct red card is something amiss and it happens to fall in the time span of the Milan game?
People diving like no tomorrow and penalty kick given like leaves falling down from a tree during autumn?
Coly being sent off and Iaquinta's ONSIDE goal disallowed?
And
is it wrong to question these doubts?
How about leaving this thread & posting your opinion on something other than calciopoli. This why people think you are hear to sell a book or something, or that you are more than one person, nearly every single post you make is on the same subject, saying the same things to the same people. If you expressed a view on other things people wouldnt be so quick to dismiss your views here as rubbish. You have no established personality here other than "raging conspiracy theorist who has a superiority complex over anyone else inclined to post in his thread"
Your avatar is a Drughi one saying friend to no one, you have nothing in your profile about favourite players, clubs nothing. You look for all the world like someone here with an agenda or something to sell. You call Juve & her fans "you" very regularly, meaning your not one of us. This is, IMO, where a lot of the hostility toward you comes from.
Your avatar is a Drughi one saying friend to no one, you have nothing in your profile about favourite players, clubs nothing. You look for all the world like someone here with an agenda or something to sell. You call Juve & her fans "you" very regularly, meaning your not one of us. This is, IMO, where a lot of the hostility toward you comes from.
Ok I’m not the real fan. I’m here to sell a book (that hasn’t been written and may never be). My avatar is actually a Fighters logo. I don’t need to sit here and personalize my profile and post shit everywhere to establish personality because I don’t care. I know what I’m a fan of. I know how many times I boarded planes to see Juventus play. I know how much I love the team and how long I have loved it for. Trust me, few here are bigger fans. I researched for a year out of passion for the team. If you saw my house, you would never question what my colours are.
Why you are so interested in my thoughts about other things is almost flattering so here goes:
- Tiago will be great when he gets used to the league (he’s already showing signs)
- The referees are afraid that if they aren’t harsh with US that they will have their career dragged through the mud
- Chiellini’s sending off was harsh
- So was Coly’s
- Iaquinta’s goal was perfect
- The penalty showed contact but it was very slight…a soft penalty to say the least.
- Pisanu is great and should be at a big club…I’ve been saying that for 2 years
Better?
The truth is if it sounds like I have an agenda it’s because I do. I was asked to come here after making contact with others in other forums where the scandal was being discussed. This person asked me to post my research here and that’s why I came. If it was idle chit chat that interested me I would have been doing that long before the scandal.
If someone wants to dismiss my posts as rubbish they have that right. Everyone is entitled to believe or not. Some will be right and others won’t be though and they’ll just have to accept that. I know what I am talking about. To me that is what matters most.
Plenty of people have personally thanked me for introducing this information in a comprehensible manner to fans who otherwise would never have been able to read it.
If I say the same things to the same people it might be because those same people keep spinning around the same circles and asking the same questions.
Why you are so interested in my thoughts about other things is almost flattering so here goes:
- Tiago will be great when he gets used to the league (he’s already showing signs)
- The referees are afraid that if they aren’t harsh with US that they will have their career dragged through the mud
- Chiellini’s sending off was harsh
- So was Coly’s
- Iaquinta’s goal was perfect
- The penalty showed contact but it was very slight…a soft penalty to say the least.
- Pisanu is great and should be at a big club…I’ve been saying that for 2 years
Better?
The truth is if it sounds like I have an agenda it’s because I do. I was asked to come here after making contact with others in other forums where the scandal was being discussed. This person asked me to post my research here and that’s why I came. If it was idle chit chat that interested me I would have been doing that long before the scandal.
If someone wants to dismiss my posts as rubbish they have that right. Everyone is entitled to believe or not. Some will be right and others won’t be though and they’ll just have to accept that. I know what I am talking about. To me that is what matters most.
Plenty of people have personally thanked me for introducing this information in a comprehensible manner to fans who otherwise would never have been able to read it.
If I say the same things to the same people it might be because those same people keep spinning around the same circles and asking the same questions.
Spot on 
@ZhiXin:Even I didn't watch Juve-Parma game I think that Chiellini getting red card was just a matter of time. I saw a penalty and it was 50-50, and refferee made a probably right decision cuz there was contact. I think that many members here are blaming ref's too much and forgeting how poor we are playing, I know that there were many wrong calls by refferee's but we can't blame only them for our results.
@ZhiXin:Even I didn't watch Juve-Parma game I think that Chiellini getting red card was just a matter of time. I saw a penalty and it was 50-50, and refferee made a probably right decision cuz there was contact. I think that many members here are blaming ref's too much and forgeting how poor we are playing, I know that there were many wrong calls by refferee's but we can't blame only them for our results.