Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (29 Viewers)

[denco]

I have been painted here as some sort of fanatical conspiracy theorist which I want to call into question.

First of all it should be noted that a conspiracy ceases to be a conspiracy the moment it is proven. When I say that Juve were found not guilty of Article 6 violations it is not a conspiracy because the sentence actually reads exactly that. When I say Moratti was behind the surveillance of all the phones in the trial it is not a conspiracy because he admitted that as Director of Telecom he infact sanctioned the surveillance on SKY TV.

In any case I have a question for the guys here who seem to despise “conspiracies”.

In 2004-2005

Who was the President of AIA (Italian Referee Association)?
- Tulio Lanese: Very close friend of Berlusconi and Galliani and admitted Milan fanatic to the point that he responds to “Mi-Lanese” on the phone taps
Who was the President of the FIGC?
- Franco Carraro: Ex-Milan President and a main chair on the Capitalia board of Directors which is the single biggest investor in both Roma and Lazio. He is also a friend to Berlusconi and petitioned to have Milan sold to Berlusconi in 1984. Silvio publically thanked him for his efforts in his first public press conference.
Who was the President of the League?
- Adriano Galliani: VP of Milan
Who was the Prime Minister of Italy?
- Silvio Berlusconi: Owner of Milan and owner of Mediaset where Galliani serves as President. Mediaset sells all TV rights to all teams in Italy and it should be noted that ad revenue from these games is every team’s primary source of revenue (more than jersey sponsorship and ticket sales)
Who is the League’s biggest sponsor?
- Tronchetti: Owner of Telecom/TIM (where Moratti and Guido Rossi sit on the Board of Directors). I’m sure you’ve all noticed Serie A TIM, Coppa Italia TIM etc.
Who is Inter’sbiggest sponsor?
- Tronchetti: Owner of Pirelli tires
Who was the Commissioner of the FIGC’s Investigations Unit (Federcalcio): Guido Rossi

We can clearly see how the Milan and Rome based teams were well protected here, so my question is this;

HOW DID A FORMER NAPOLI TRAIN STATION CAPTAIN BECOME THE GODFATHER OF ITALIAN SOCCER WITH THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE?

HOW DID YOU GUYS BUY INTO THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY IN ITALIAN SOCCER?

WHERE THE FUCK IS MOGGI? WHERE IS JUVENTUS?

You guys have to see the contradiction here. Moggi wasn’t even supported by the FIAT group which is why they gave the team no money for 7 years. To think that Moggi could control this system is preposterous! The revenue agency in Italy (Guardia Della Finanza) which is a feared investigation unit that has cracked the Mafia many times with offshore laundering etc. not only went through all of Moggi and juventus’ accounts in Italy but investigated family member accounts, player accounts, and monitored incoming international wires in all referee accounts. They concluded that no suspicious activity revolving Juventus or any other Juventus affiliates had taken place.

I know some have already brought up GEA World and its alleged control through Moggi Jr. but in a prior post I showed its capital structure and proved that nearly 10 teams had more of a stake in GEA than Juventus.

For a bunch of guys who don’t like conspiracies…you guys bought the biggest one. The notion that Moggi from his position could possibly become remotely influential in the world I described above.

I’m not saying that the other clubs were cheating, I’m just posing the question of how Moggi possibly could even if he wanted to considering what he would be up against? Yet you all bought it hook line and sinker…congrats.

Just a side note. The manner in which teams earn money does make them submissive to the Milan Clubs because IF Berlusconi sells you TV Rights then you will get a big ad revenue check from (who were the biggest sponsors of Italian soccer again?)…Tronchetti and TIM. Not to mention other notable Serie A sponsors like Gazzetta owned by Carlo Buare (Inter’s VP) and il Corriere which is owned by Inter Team Manager (Bartolozzi).

The fact that Guido Rossi and Moratti are board members in sensitive positions means they cannot overtly do illegale business and it cannot be seen that their teams are been overly favoured as everyone would think it is because of their influence.

Thats patently obvious as if you are going to be the most influential person then publicly you cannot be linked to the Football association.

Arsenal were constantly brought to book by the FA while Manchester United's players were not so much but David Dein was part of the FA (Dein was VP of Arsenal at the time).

What has Moggi's backgroung go to do with anything , so what if he was a station manager at Napoli, you don't have to be born with a silver spoon to get to the top and Vito Corleone came from a poorer background and look where it took him


Sometimes I don't know what you are talking about, first you say Milan were the most favored team ever and then you say you agree with Galliani that they are the the most punished.

Also you said Zlatan is the most vocal protester against our relegation and yet when he was interviewed by channel 5, he said the only reason he left was because he did not want to play in serieB and that he was actually thinking of leaving before the whole isssue anyway but you are telling us that he is the most vocal protester

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov6e.html

As for the forums as long as they are not 1million in a forum protesting then your argument about having support all over is not worth a damn.

You say there are banners putting up 29 scudetti but thats just 1 banner, surely if these guys really believed that we were treated badly then it would be a huge banner and everyone in every home game since the decision came out till its overturned should be carrying flags protesting.

@Attilla , the reason people are supporting Juventus is because well from my point of view, I did not know that the corruption was that bad as i thought like a lot of people that we were just been favoured because like all big teams, we get the major calls go our way.

 

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[Cuban-Pete]

Hi, I have been reading your arguments about this Calciopoli.

And, you know what Denco I must say I agree with Gsol... his argument has more depth and logical sense to me.

Your argument, howver, is simply worthless... you argue without any evidences. The saddam theory and Vito Corleone??? ah c'mon .. they are not even the same thing and again, Vito Corleone??? you gotta be kiddin me and livin in the la la land.

To me, you lost this argument by far..

 

[gsol]

“The fact that Guido Rossi and Moratti are board members in sensitive positions means they cannot overtly do illegale business and it cannot be seen that their teams are been overly favoured as everyone would think it is because of their influence.”
- Denco you really don’t know how Italy works do you? Theoretically you are right but they did exactly that. They are or were investigated for it bbut we’ve heard nothing since…money talks.


“What has Moggi's backgroung go to do with anything , so what if he was a station manager at Napoli, you don't have to be born with a silver spoon to get to the top and Vito Corleone came from a poorer background and look where it took him ”

- You missed the point…look at the backgrounds of those he would have been cheating. He


“Sometimes I don't know what you are talking about, first you say Milan were the most favored team ever and then you say you agree with Galliani that they are the the most punished.”

- Stop splitting hairs. You know exactly what I said. Milan were favored throughout Calciopoli and benefitted plenty prior according to ADICONSUM. Now this year in a report as of October 16th Milan were on the other end of the table (this season). I don’t see how that is confusing.

“Also you said Zlatan is the most vocal protester against our relegation and yet when he was interviewed by channel 5, he said the only reason he left was because he did not want to play in serieB and that he was actually thinking of leaving before the whole isssue anyway but you are telling us that he is the most vocal protester”

- Denco, let it go ok. You’ve run out. I didn’t say he was the most vocal but he certainly said that at Juve he won those titles on the field didn’t he? http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=467656, him leaving to avoidB doesn’t mean he agreed with the sentence. Frankly I’m not even sure what you are trying to say there.


“As for the forums as long as they are not 1million in a forum protesting then your argument about having support all over is not worth a damn.”

- Learn the language, read the forums, read the banners at the games, listen to the songs and chants.

“You say there are banners putting up 29 scudetti but thats just 1 banner, surely if these guys really believed that we were treated badly then it would be a huge banner and everyone in every home game since the decision came out till its overturned should be carrying flags protesting.”
- Exactly, you haven’t noticed?

 

[gsol]

Can I ask why you focused on the train station thing? With all those names and powerful positions that you could have commented on, you selected that line. It’s a testament to how you have been debating all along. You totally brush the important stuff aside, especially if you’ve got nothing to counter it with and then ask a stupid question regarding one insignificant line. Ok delete that part of the sentence…does it change who had the power.

 

[Attilio the Hun]

@Denco, you are right there the depth and breadth of corruption has surprised me too but it has been hiding in plain sight all along..

A good friend of mine is researching a documentary about football and he is uncovering a lot of shit basically, said that while Italy is particularly bad every league is almost as corrupt and is set up to favour the top teams.

If other businesses tried to operate as football does they would be closed down for conflicts of interests all over the place. TV and sponsorship money will just keep adding fuel to the fire unfortunately. Like the sit'n with oil vs alternative fuels, the system is too old and too many people are getting very rich from it to have much incentive to change anything.

We the fans could try something but until we are all prepared to abandon our teams and 'ignore' the sport for a while (effectively a fan strike) who would listen?

 

[denco]

Hi, I have been reading your arguments about this Calciopoli.

And, you know what Denco I must say I agree with Gsol... his argument has more depth and logical sense to me.

Your argument, howver, is simply worthless... you argue without any evidences. The saddam theory and Vito Corleone??? ah c'mon .. they are not even the same thing and again, Vito Corleone??? you gotta be kiddin me and livin in the la la land.

To me, you lost this argument by far..

I know how i drew the analogy , you don't understand? then I cannot help you there.

You really think Vito Corleone was not based on someone? You think it is a totally fictional character?

You think true story is not stranger than fiction? Do you really think that films and books are not based on things that happen?

@ Attilla. you are correct and the thing is we don't want to know what is goingon because of we knew the entire truth, we would not watch football or any sport anymore as anything that involves lots of money is bound to be corrupt 1 way or another

@ Gsol you keep using Italy as your excuse that anything goes and people look the other way.

Lets us just assume you are right and all those came together to put Juventus out of contention by relegating them.

If we all agree than Italy is completely lawless and has no regard for anything and that all your documents and posts and facts that you have brought are all correct.

Anything I put forward is shut down by you because that is how Italy works, the powes that be do whatever they want and there is nothing anybody can do about it.

Let us assume that everything you have said is correct and everyone else is wrong to question what you have said because you are the only 1 that has provided proof and all my rantings are just my opinions.

Yours are not opinions but facts as you have reminded me 144 times already.

So I am to take it that these guys are not just so conspiratory to have plotted to bring down Juventus , they are arrogant enough to let the public see every issue they went over and even if there was not a damned thing to indict Juventus, let us relegate them anyway as this Italy and we can do anything we damned well please.

How dare that ex napoli station manager come in between us and success? This is Italy, that kind of thing should not happen, let us set him up and falsify sim cards, get him and Giraudo to sell up as we need people that would play ball with us as board members of Juventus.

It does not matter that Moggi and Juventus are innocent of foul play as the refereeing decisions tey have been getting in the past are part and parcel of the game.

We,as in Guido Rossi, Moratti and all of our pals have the power to fabricate and concoct a system we would call Moggi system where we would lie that he manipulates referees to give yellow cards to future opponents in order to weaken then when they fce juventus.

It does not matter if these are all lies as this is Italy and we would get away with afterall who is gonna protest.

After we relegate them, we can then buy their players on the cheap as we are also in collusion with Fiat and Ferrari and they also agree that Moggi has to be punished.

We run the FA, the company we own sponsors the league, we own TV rights, newspapers and we can do anything we want and nobody can do anything about it.

We would also publish the verdict verbatim days before they are officially reached or sent out as we are really that arrogant and noone can do anything about it anyway.

Why? Because this is Italy and we can do whatever we want

 

[Enron]

I don't really know about the USA, but I think most Western countries are far more corrupt than we believe. Belgium for example is full of corruption.

Its on my top ten list of places to visit.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

No but I got you.

 

[gsol]

"I know how i drew the analogy , you don't understand? then I cannot help you there."

- Oh I understood. You tried to say that even though there was no evidence to convict the dictator that it was right (like in Moggi's case). Where you were wrong is in thinking there was no evidence against the dictator. There was. There wasn't against Moggi.


"@ Attilla. you are correct and the thing is we don't want to know what is goingon because of we knew the entire truth, we would not watch football or any sport anymore as anything that involves lots of money is bound to be corrupt 1 way or another"

- Prime example is the level of corruption in the calciopoli trial.


"Lets us just assume you are right and all those came together to put Juventus out of contention by relegating them. Anything I put forward is shut down by you because that is how Italy works, the powes that be do whatever they want and there is nothing anybody can do about it."

-Now you got it.

"So I am to take it that these guys are not just so conspiratory to have plotted to bring down Juventus , they are arrogant enough to let the public see every issue they went over and even if there was not a damned thing to indict Juventus, let us relegate them anyway as this Italy and we can do anything we damned well please."

- Exactly, they knew we would eventually find it I'm sure but assumed we would be powerless to contest it and change an already established public opinion.

"How dare that ex napoli station manager come in between us and success? This is Italy, that kind of thing should not happen, let us set him up and falsify sim cards, get him and Giraudo to sell up as we need people that would play ball with us as board members of Juventus."

- you are putting the pieces of the puzzle together finally...

It does not matter that Moggi and Juventus are innocent of foul play as the refereeing decisions they have been getting in the past are part and parcel of the game.

- the same parcel that beneffitted many others many times and cost Juve many other times...

"We,as in Guido Rossi, Moratti and all of our pals have the power to fabricate and concoct a system we would call Moggi system where we would lie that he manipulates referees to give yellow cards to future opponents in order to weaken then when they fce juventus."

- precisely and I will add that both the "moggi system" and "yellow card system" were discreditted in court (to no avail) according to the judges that presided over the hearings.

"It does not matter if these are all lies as this is Italy and we would get away with afterall who is gonna protest."

- not so much who will protest but what will it matter if they do?

"After we relegate them, we can then buy their players on the cheap as we are also in collusion with Fiat and Ferrari and they also agree that Moggi has to be punished."

- not punished but eliminated, otherwise yes as shown by the many confessions of prior meetings and eventual sponsorship dealings between Telecom and FIAT companies.

"We run the FA, the company we own sponsors the league, we own TV rights, newspapers and we can do anything we want and nobody can do anything about it."

- Thank you...they don't run the FIGC though so much as they heavily influence it financially.

"We would also publish the verdict verbatim days before they are officially reached or sent out as we are really that arrogant and noone can do anything about it anyway."

- Well ya that's what they did.

"Why? Because this is Italy and we can do whatever we want"

- and we're giving 65% of the Italian soccer fan public what they want...Juventus in Serie B.

Denco...you finally got it

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

denco is being sarcastic

 

[Cuban-Pete]

I know how i drew the analogy , you don't understand? then I cannot help you there.

You really think Vito Corleone was not based on someone? You think it is a totally fictional character?

You think true story is not stranger than fiction? Do you really think that films and books are not based on things that happen?

@ Attilla. you are correct and the thing is we don't want to know what is goingon because of we knew the entire truth, we would not watch football or any sport anymore as anything that involves lots of money is bound to be corrupt 1 way or another

@ Gsol you keep using Italy as your excuse that anything goes and people look the other way.

Lets us just assume you are right and all those came together to put Juventus out of contention by relegating them.

If we all agree than Italy is completely lawless and has no regard for anything and that all your documents and posts and facts that you have brought are all correct.

Anything I put forward is shut down by you because that is how Italy works, the powes that be do whatever they want and there is nothing anybody can do about it.

Let us assume that everything you have said is correct and everyone else is wrong to question what you have said because you are the only 1 that has provided proof and all my rantings are just my opinions.

Yours are not opinions but facts as you have reminded me 144 times already.

So I am to take it that these guys are not just so conspiratory to have plotted to bring down Juventus , they are arrogant enough to let the public see every issue they went over and even if there was not a damned thing to indict Juventus, let us relegate them anyway as this Italy and we can do anything we damned well please.

How dare that ex napoli station manager come in between us and success? This is Italy, that kind of thing should not happen, let us set him up and falsify sim cards, get him and Giraudo to sell up as we need people that would play ball with us as board members of Juventus.

It does not matter that Moggi and Juventus are innocent of foul play as the refereeing decisions tey have been getting in the past are part and parcel of the game.

We,as in Guido Rossi, Moratti and all of our pals have the power to fabricate and concoct a system we would call Moggi system where we would lie that he manipulates referees to give yellow cards to future opponents in order to weaken then when they fce juventus.

It does not matter if these are all lies as this is Italy and we would get away with afterall who is gonna protest.

After we relegate them, we can then buy their players on the cheap as we are also in collusion with Fiat and Ferrari and they also agree that Moggi has to be punished.

We run the FA, the company we own sponsors the league, we own TV rights, newspapers and we can do anything we want and nobody can do anything about it.

We would also publish the verdict verbatim days before they are officially reached or sent out as we are really that arrogant and noone can do anything about it anyway.

Why? Because this is Italy and we can do whatever we want

again, show me the evidence.. it is as simple as that.. !

 

[Cuban-Pete]

On a 2nd thought, you can ignore my previous comment Denco.. I don't see any points arguing that with you.. you lost it anyway

Having said that, it would be great if you could tell me the real guy whom Vito Corleone character was based from.... just to satisfy my interest. And, again with evidence please.....

Cheers

 

[gsol]

denco is being sarcastic

Ya I gathered that but in his sarcasm he has finally put it all together.

 

[gsol]

On a 2nd thought, you can ignore my previous comment Denco.. I don't see any points arguing that with you.. you lost it anyway

Having said that, it would be great if you could tell me the real guy whom Vito Corleone character was based from.... just to satisfy my interest. And, again with evidence please.....

Cheers

It was loosely based on Joe Bonano of New York. I mean loosely though. The events in the movie are in no way historic. I'm not sure why that came up here but if it interests people the book "Bound By Honour" talks of the real Joe Bonano and the connection with the movie. Again though, the character is only created around Joe Bonano. The Godfather trilogy is in no way a true story.

 

[Cuban-Pete]

Thanks Gsol.. I'd be sure to look out for that book.

 

[joe5]

The Godfather trilogy is in no way a true story.

It's not the only.

 

[Vinman]

gsol, you gotta start putting Denco and other peoples comments in quotes...its getting confusing to read and trying to figure out who's saying what

 

[Cronios]

gsol, you gotta start putting Denco and other peoples comments in quotes...its getting confusing to read and trying to figure out who's saying what

true, its simple and effective aesthetically and time/effort wise, just press the quote button once, instead of selecting the text, copy, start a post and paste...

 

[Fred]

Are Cuban pete and gsol the same person??

 

[Pingo]

It was loosely based on Joe Bonano of New York. I mean loosely though. The events in the movie are in no way historic. I'm not sure why that came up here but if it interests people the book "Bound By Honour" talks of the real Joe Bonano and the connection with the movie. Again though, the character is only created around Joe Bonano. The Godfather trilogy is in no way a true story.

Dude, don't respond to this childish posts...I mean Vito Corleone, u should bring MIKI on LOL The TRUTH will come out, sooner than latter...I mean, come on guys, r u blind, dont' u know how todays world works??At list be more open minded...
Good example is ERON...Yeee shore (sarcasm), the chairman is a vary good friend whit Dick Cheney who is ,u know the Vice President of the USA, to bail his ass out...Ok not exactly the same thing but u know where i'm getin at...Corruption is every where (specaily in the world, that we are living now), and who better to do it, than those ppl (the untouchables) who got alot of money and resource to cover the whole ting up, just to benefit from all...and thay still wont more an more...Money is power...Open u'r eyes and see this thing 4 what is it ...a conspiracy...


@gsol What is next? 4 Juve and for US, who r "fighting" - in our minds- for I bianconeri cleare name...What's now on the case?
I read in one article (year back), that the Juve supporters where fighting or better sead in two camps...one (majorety) was for Johhn and the other for Lapo - or did a get it reverse? At that time i didn't give much thouth in to it, but now, that i read your posts, i understand...
What's the deal between the brothers? Is one good for the club... the oter isn't? Or are bouth assholes? Don't forget, to answer me on the other two questions...