Sorry guys I have to do this line by line.
"MY POINT IS that you and a minority of people cannot change the fact that we cheated. MY POINT is you bringing up miniscules of the case DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE CHEATED."
- WRONG! Minority? Crunch numbers, learn the language, read other forums. We cheated needs to be proven and it never was, not in court, not through statistics, not through common sense since as many cases of the opposite can be found and i've proven that too.
"MY POINT is that you are finding OPPOSTION WITHIN JUVENTUS AGREEING WITH YOY"
- What?
"MY POINT is that I have not heard a neutral person agree with what you are talking about conspiracy."
- So judges like Mario Serio, Cesare Ruperto, Piero Sandulli, and Magistrates like Marcello Maddalena don't count? Learn the language then make claims.
"MY POINT is that Juventus is 1 of the biggest clubs in the world and it is IMPOSSIBLE to relegate them without reason. I dont give a damn if this is Italy, Nigeria, Pakistan or Timbuktu, Juventus might be an Italian club but they have supporters all over the world, you cannot just decide to bring them down by RELEGATING them without reason and expect to get away with it."
- but they did, and there were plenty of reasons as I've stated. Match fixing wasn't the reason though...it was the smoke screan.
"THERE IS EU , there is SUPREME COURT, there is FIFA, there is UEFA , and you are trying to convince us that we cannot take our case to any of these?"
- We are in the EU...did you miss that? Plus Moggi is in the TAR Courts in Lazio
"DO YOU THINK everybody on this forum is an idiot? Do you actually think that we are that stupid to believe that we are innocent?"
- some have proven to be a little slow yes. Not all though. You continue to speak for all when I only see a handfull that agree with you. Stop claiming majority.
"Instead of saying that we were not the only ones that cheated but we were punished more than most, you actually are trying to convince us that while Lazio cheated and were not relegated, we that were innocent were relegated. I read that Lazio's manager was caught on the phone saying telling his chairman to soften up Lecce and his excuse was that he meant they should get Ledesma thats what he meant by softening Lecce"
- I knew you'd misunderstand that. I never said they cheated. I said if found guilty they faced 3 month suspensions for the exact same accusation Juventus faced. Our punishment wa significantle heavier wasn't it? Of course, the whole point was to relegate Juve, take her stars and titles, and above all reconstruct its management.
"Moggi's nonsense about transfer leaks when asked about SIM CARDS."
- How many times does Juve get linked with a player that then other teams bid on? It was a smart tactic. In any case the tables showed signs of being computer generated so I wouldn't cling too closely to the SIM Card bullshit.
"WHAT YOU ARE saying to everyone here is that these people went through all that trouble to relegate us but somehow forgot to plant incriminating evidence."
- They didn't need it. The sentence was pre-established anyway. They just needed to convince the public that it was justifiable. Why else would the Gazzetta know three days prior to concluding the trial.
"This is a Juventus that for years, have been accused of buying referees albeit without proof, this is the same Juventus that has been accused of doping their players"
- Found not guilty of both if you recall. Ya keep siting the Gazzetta though...it's working wonders for your position here.
"In other words this is Juventus that has been tainted but somehow this powerful men could not find anything against them."
- exactly
"STOP BEING GODAMNED NAIVE, they got plenty against us, they just refused to share with you and me and that is why our board decided to take the punishment ."
- I'm Naive? Why would they hide the evidence that could effectively close the appeals going on right now? In all of this you think I'm naive? You believe in the good faith of a partial jury in an Italian Sports Tribunal yet I'm naive.
"All you have done is scratched the surface and stop coming here to tell us that you know every single detail of this case because you do not."
- I never said I know everything. I know a shit load more than you though obviously.
"Why you had to wait until after we had served our time in SerieB and back in serieA is anybody's guess, could it because Moggi's trial is now ongoing?"
- should I have researched it in a day? or not at all like you?