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[Xperd]

It's hardly a Paratici thing. Juventus and other Serie A teams have been doing this for years. Juventus are the most high profile name so ofcourse their name is going to be thrown around.

What Chelsea are doing with their loan system seems way more suspicious if you ask me.

 

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[kappa96]

Lol. A nothing case . How can a prosecutor determine the value of a player .
That can only be done by the 2 clubs that finish the transaction.
For example if juventus deem muratore a 90 million player ,how can a prosecutor say that he only values 3?
Based on what ? His knowledge of football? He should stick to his laws.

 

[BIG DADDY!!!]

Last paragraph says the Prosecutor will study the documents before deciding whether to open a case in future.

How much you want to bet his decision will be depended on how much Juve are involved. If Juve did no wrong but Napoli and other big clubs did then there won't be much else said about this.

 

[kappa96]

I willing to bet on the fact that nothing will happen.
And that's because there isn't any institution that puts price tags on players .
They are looking for tax evasion , but as i said , a player values what the 2 clubs that finalise the transaction consider, so legally there is nothing they can do about it . As long as there isn't any shady paperwork between the 2 clubs everything is legal.

 

[juve123]

Lol. A nothing case . How can a prosecutor determine the value of a player .
That can only be done by the 2 clubs that finish the transaction.
For example if juventus deem muratore a 90 million player ,how can a prosecutor say that he only values 3?
Based on what ? His knowledge of football? He should stick to his laws.

What else do you expect kangaroo judicial system in italy

 

[kappa96]

What else do you expect kangaroo judicial system in italy

Well they can suspect and make inquiries. That doesn't mean they are going to find anything.

 

[juve123]

Well they can suspect and make inquiries. That doesn't mean they are going to find anything.

Chievo have been docked three points and fined €200,000 after being found guilty of incorrect accountancy practices in the relation to the transfer of players to and from Cesena over the past year, with their president Luca Campedelli banned for three months.
The punishment, announced by the Italian FA's (FIGC) state tribunal on Thursday, will be applied to the current Serie A campaign, meaning the Flying Donkeys will drop to -2 in the standings having drawn one and lost two of their first three games of the season.
https://www.espn.in/football/chievo...ee-points-for-falsifying-player-sale-accounts

 

[Strickland]

Lol. A nothing case . How can a prosecutor determine the value of a player .
That can only be done by the 2 clubs that finish the transaction.
For example if juventus deem muratore a 90 million player ,how can a prosecutor say that he only values 3?
Based on what ? His knowledge of football? He should stick to his laws.

I don't think it's hard at all to prove that players in Serie D most likely don't cost 5 million euros, I don't know Italian law, but you probably need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, which should be a rather easy thing to do, there are hundreds of transfers every summer.

 

[juve123]

I don't think it's hard at all to prove that players in Serie D most likely don't cost 5 million euros, I don't know Italian law, but you probably need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

it kangaroo court system in italy needs urgent reform read this
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/29/mario-draghi-italys-courts-judicial-reform/

 

[spurdo]

Lol. A nothing case . How can a prosecutor determine the value of a player .
That can only be done by the 2 clubs that finish the transaction.
For example if juventus deem muratore a 90 million player ,how can a prosecutor say that he only values 3?
Based on what ? His knowledge of football? He should stick to his laws.

Bruh, they convicted scientists to 6 years in jail in Italy because they should've been able to predict the future on an earthquake that killed people. Italian judicial system is the most fucked up in all of Europe, if they want a guilty verdict they will get one.

 

[Boksic]

Seems very hard to prove.

Footballitalia make a big deal about only a 3m of cash changing hands, but that is how a swap works, you each swap assets as a substitute for cash.

The clubs incur the expense of higher player values by having to amortise them, so just kicks a cost down the road.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Italian judiciaries probably getting worried that Seria A might start to prosper. Then people will turn their attention somewhere else for problems...

I want to know what would have happened to Barca and RM if they were in Italy? Take for instance Arthur transfer they are 'investigating'... if that is 'inflated' what about Pjanic going the other way (literally from Turin towards Istanbul) for 50 Mils?

Creative accounting, true, but once you have opened the door...And let's not pretend football clubs doing a turnover of less than a billion (sometimes less than 30% of that, especially recently) are the real enemies of the state here.

 

[Elvin]

it kangaroo court system in italy needs urgent reform read this
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/29/mario-draghi-italys-courts-judicial-reform/

Hope this reform helps.

 

[cimenk]

The Federal Prosecutor has opened an investigation into 62 suspicious transfers in Serie A, studying the exchange deals and capital gains due to possibly inflated valuations.

La Repubblica and Il Tempo claim a new possible transfer scandal has arrived on the table of Federal Prosecutor Giuseppe Chiné.

The reports claim COVISOC, the Supervisory Commission for Serie A clubs sent a detailed report to the Prosecutor and to the FIGC President Gabriele Gravina, asking them to look into the matter.

The supervisor claims certain businesses might have had significant impact on the accounts of various clubs in the top flight.
Napoli are cited for the Victor Osimhen affair, as four players moved to LOSC Lille for a total value of €20m and two of them are now in Serie D, one in Serie C and the fourth has remained in France without playing.

Juventus have 42 transfers on the list, with 21 players exchanged for a total of €90m, but the money that actually changed hands was just over €3m.

The case is now at the FIGC Prosecutor’s Office, who are yet to open any proceedings. But Federal Prosecutor Chiné is studying the documents and it’s not excluded that a case could be opened in the future.



New scandal brewing?

Paratici still managing to screw us.

Only 3m?
I think we paid 10m as additional for Arthur swap with Pjanic?
And for Spinazzola - Pellegrini swap, They should be investigated Roma, not us. How they can inflate Pellegrini price.

I think this news is a joke. Why do you need to create another bad image for Serie A. And Football Italia is a shit source. Investigation is open for several clubs. Why the need to put Juventus name on it

 

[Strickland]

Seems very hard to prove.
Footballitalia make a big deal about only a 3m of cash changing hands, but that is how a swap works, you each swap assets as a substitute for cash.
The clubs incur the expense of higher player values by having to amortise them, so just kicks a cost down the road.

If it's a case like Sturaro, where the fee should've been 5m and it's 18m, that's difficult to prove, because the fee is inflated 3-4 times which is bad, but isn't scandalous. However in some cases like the Napoli-Lille the fee will be 50 or even 100 times more than it should've been and you have a clear victim - Lille.

 

[Gigiventus]

Everyone acting like the inquiries are out of line is just speaking as a Juve fanboy.

Of course Juve is guilty of this, as are many Serie A teams. That it will be punished, or if should be punished, is something else, but Juve 100% does this, and these practices need to be scrutinized.

 

[cimenk]

The Federal Prosecutor has opened an investigation into 62 suspicious transfers in Serie A, studying the exchange deals and capital gains due to possibly inflated valuations.

La Repubblica and Il Tempo claim a new possible transfer scandal has arrived on the table of Federal Prosecutor Giuseppe Chiné.

The reports claim COVISOC, the Supervisory Commission for Serie A clubs sent a detailed report to the Prosecutor and to the FIGC President Gabriele Gravina, asking them to look into the matter.

The supervisor claims certain businesses might have had significant impact on the accounts of various clubs in the top flight.
Napoli are cited for the Victor Osimhen affair, as four players moved to LOSC Lille for a total value of €20m and two of them are now in Serie D, one in Serie C and the fourth has remained in France without playing.

Juventus have 42 transfers on the list, with 21 players exchanged for a total of €90m, but the money that actually changed hands was just over €3m.

The case is now at the FIGC Prosecutor’s Office, who are yet to open any proceedings. But Federal Prosecutor Chiné is studying the documents and it’s not excluded that a case could be opened in the future.



New scandal brewing?

Paratici still managing to screw us.

Only 3m?
I think we paid 10m as additional for Arthur swap with Pjanic?
And for Spinazzola - Pellegrini swap, They should be investigated Roma, not us. How they can inflate Pellegrini price.

I think this news is a joke. Why do you need to create another bad image for Serie A. And Football Italia is a shit source. Investigation is open for several clubs. Why the need to put Juventus name on it

 

[juve123]

Everyone acting like the inquiries are out of line is just speaking as a Juve fanboy.

Of course Juve is guilty of this, as are many Serie A teams. That it will be punished, or if should be punished, is something else, but Juve 100% does this, and these practices need to be scrutinized.

How can you pronounce us guilty this is coming from a so called juve fan

 

[Gigiventus]

How can you pronounce us guilty this is coming from a so called juve fan

"so called juve fan" there it is . Being a Juve fan doesn't mean being blind.

It was obvious, and everyone wrote it in the transfer thread, that when we sold Portanova and Petrelli for 18m, it was inflated for plusvalenza.

Just as it is obvious that Pjanic in 2020 didn't cost 60m and Arthur didn't cost 80m. The clubs just wrote it so for accounting.

 

[juve123]

"so called juve fan" there it is . Being a Juve fan doesn't mean being blind.

It was obvious, and everyone wrote it in the transfer thread, that when we sold Portanova and Petrelli for 18m, it was inflated for plusvalenza.

Just as it is obvious that Pjanic in 2020 didn't cost 60m and Arthur didn't cost 80m. The clubs just wrote it so for accounting.

i know firstly this forum is open not only for juve fans but also anti juve fans but i cant understand your guilty verdict is there a specific law which prevents inflation of a player price and who decides what should be the valuation of the player is it the clubs or kangaroo court system