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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,603
It reeks of Soviet style Kompromat. Basically all individuals participate in shady practices and everyone knows. When the powers that be want to take out a participant their shady activities leak to the media and a witch-hunt ensues to tear this individual down.

They can’t defend themselves because after all the leaked material is damning, they have committed shady practices and public opinion has been mobilized against them. So they negotiate for a lesser punishment.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
:agree:

If they accept this shit or go for some sort of plea deal to allow FIGC to save face, I’m done with the club too. To allow another made-up scandal to damage the club less than 20 years post-calciopoli is just too much to put up with as a fan.
I'm sure lawyers or people with some legal knowledge won't agree with this, but for me it's pretty simple: a plea deal where you suffer serious consequences is an admission of guilt. Plain & simple.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,317
I'm sure lawyers or people with some legal knowledge won't agree with this, but for me it's pretty simple: a plea deal where you suffer serious consequences is an admission of guilt. Plain & simple.
It depends on the circumstances and just how serious the consequences are.

Fox's settlement for example screams guilt.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,320
If the plea bargain is a big fine, I think we should take it because we can afford it. But if it involves a point penalty, even if it's small, then yeah, our already tarnished reputation will find new lows.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,548
I'm sure lawyers or people with some legal knowledge won't agree with this, but for me it's pretty simple: a plea deal where you suffer serious consequences is an admission of guilt. Plain & simple.
italy is different, plea deals happen all the time simply to save time and hassle

again, i'd take a plea deal in the salary case. the plusvalenza case has to be dropped, it's ridiculous, and i wouldn't care if i had to stop the league or get other italian teams banned from uefa competitions
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,608
italy is different, plea deals happen all the time simply to save time and hassle

again, i'd take a plea deal in the salary case. the plusvalenza case has to be dropped, it's ridiculous, and i wouldn't care if i had to stop the league or get other italian teams banned from uefa competitions
same here, if plea deal means Elkann has to pay for his nephew (Agnelli) incompetence then im all for it. We should be really already starting planning new season with much more clear view.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
italy is different, plea deals happen all the time simply to save time and hassle

again, i'd take a plea deal in the salary case. the plusvalenza case has to be dropped, it's ridiculous, and i wouldn't care if i had to stop the league or get other italian teams banned from uefa competitions
Plea deals happen everywhere, as far as I know.

Also, I'm talking about just current the plusvalenza case.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
they do but in italy it's not related to the admission of guilt at all, even several, otherwise shit stirring journalists emphasize that
I'm well aware. That's not just Italy, by the way.

Hence what I said before: I personally consider a plea deal (with actual, serious consequences) as an admission of guilt.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,317
I'm well aware. That's not just Italy, by the way.

Hence what I said before: I personally consider a plea deal (with actual, serious consequences) as an admission of guilt.
People pay traffic fines even if they think they did nothing wrong all the time. The whole idea of those fines, which are essentially plea deals, is that whether or not you're actually guilty isn't even part of the debate. It's just so much easier than going to trial. It costs less and you don't have to spend time on it. Doesn't mean that paying 75 euros for something you didn't do still sucks.

If we're talking about a financial penalty only, I don't think it can be seen as an admission of guilt here either. Depending on the type of deal Juventus could even agree to a plea deal with the specific mention of them being able to contest their guilt publicly.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,901
I'm sure lawyers or people with some legal knowledge won't agree with this, but for me it's pretty simple: a plea deal where you suffer serious consequences is an admission of guilt. Plain & simple.
It is and what's worse it sets a precedence of how we deal with future scandals, I have no doubts this will not be the last time the FIGC try to fuck us.

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People pay traffic fines even if they think they did nothing wrong all the time. The whole idea of those fines, which are essentially plea deals, is that whether or not you're actually guilty isn't even part of the debate. It's just so much easier than going to trial. It costs less and you don't have to spend time on it. Doesn't mean that paying 75 euros for something you didn't do still sucks.

If we're talking about a financial penalty only, I don't think it can be seen as an admission of guilt here either. Depending on the type of deal Juventus could even agree to a plea deal with the specific mention of them being able to contest their guilt publicly.
Not being funny a traffic fine is a major difference to a scandal founded on no evidence and in many cases a traffic fine is usually a 1 off thing, the FIGC will be back after this scandal and again and again
 

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