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[juve123]

nothing from Suzy?

Not yet waiting for some leaked wiretapping conversation.

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Juve defence lawyers were previously denied access to note containing conversation between figc prosecutor chine and Covisoc. TAR court have now said that Juve lawyers can have it and use it as evidence. That note would mean that the timeframe for an investigation into capital gains has passed and is outside the time allowed. (Tuttojuve)

 

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[mondo1]

Any infos on DAZN or Sky subscriptions? Did they feel the drop or everything back to normal ?


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[Badass J Elkann]

Not yet waiting for some leaked wiretapping conversation.

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Juve defence lawyers were previously denied access to note containing conversation between figc prosecutor chine and Covisoc. TAR court have now said that Juve lawyers can have it and use it as evidence. That note would mean that the timeframe for an investigation into capital gains has passed and is outside the time allowed. (Tuttojuve)

That's when Chine realised... he fucked up

 

[Akshen]

whats that?

 

[s4tch]

whats that?

juve123 already posted about it on the previous page. also read here:



there's a document that chiné never let juventus see despite the club asking for it. it's supposedly a letter between covisoc and chiné, and depending on what's written there, that could backdate the whole process, and also that could mean that the whole penalty was invalid. if that's true then it's no wonder that sneaky little romanista prick did his best to hide it from juventus and the public. it's been all over the news yesterday, but there were rumors about it for months

 

[Akshen]

juve123 already posted about it on the previous page. also read here:



there's a document that chiné never let juventus see despite the club asking for it. it's supposedly a letter between covisoc and chiné, and depending on what's written there, that could backdate the whole process, and also that could mean that the whole penalty was invalid. if that's true then it's no wonder that sneaky little romanista prick did his best to hide it from juventus and the public. it's been all over the news yesterday, but there were rumors about it for months

Ok i understand it now, but isnt it too late anyway? The appeal was already made with arguments known before the reveal of this document - i guess they cant add new info to it now, so it wont contain any arguments based on this documents? dont think its coincidence that the TAR agrees to give to Juve at this very moment when they already sent the appeal, fuckers.

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its well explained here btw https://www.footitalia.com/tar-rules-in-favour-of-juventus-over-covisoc-paper/

The letter reportedly outlines a request from Covisoc to the FIGC for clarification on the capital gains case relating to Juventus and is dated April 14, 2021. For Juventus, this document represents the real beginning of the investigation into capital gains, and would therefore be able to invalidate the investigation of the federal prosecutor’s office, which took place after the time allowed.

The proceedings were in fact opened in October, well beyond the allowed time limits, namely 30 days for the entry of the notice in the appropriate register and 60 days for the duration of the investigation.

Covisoc will now have to deliver the document to Juve’s lawyers within seven days. So far, the Bianconeri had asked to see the document, but prosecutor Giuseppe Chinè had rejected the request, explaining that “it is not part of the documentation acquired as part of the disciplinary proceedings.”

Covisoc, in the documents of the appeal to the Tar defended itself, saying: “The document to which you request access was formed by the Federal Prosecutor’s Office. Your petition was promptly addressed to that body to the extent of its competence. Please refer to the Federal Prosecutor’s Office, which will be able to fully express itself on the formalized petition.”

The lawyers had emphasized “the interest in defensive access in the case at hand, particularly in the pendency of the appeal of the revocation ruling, issued by the Federal Court of Appeal, precisely because the act must be known before the conclusion of the sports trial.”

The appeal hearing is expected to continue until at least the end of the month before a definitive verdict is reached.

 

[s4tch]

Ok i understand it now, but isnt it too late anyway?

it would make the appeal pointless as the whole process would be invalid

procedural errors are the best hope for juventus as they won't require any reasoning or subjective evaluation. it would mean that the whole process was unlawful, and also the rulings would be invalid by definition

 

[The Quazis]

Any infos on DAZN or Sky subscriptions? Did they feel the drop or everything back to normal ?


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Apparently the number of deactivations reached 700 000. It's millions of euros lost every month for DAZN. Apparently, DAZN is no longer interested in renewing the deal for TV rights and companies like RAI, Sky or Mediaset won't bid neither before the situation with Juve clears out.

 

[Seven]

Ok i understand it now, but isnt it too late anyway? The appeal was already made with arguments known before the reveal of this document - i guess they cant add new info to it now, so it wont contain any arguments based on this documents?

Obviously I'm not an Italian lawyer and I'm not familiar with this particular procedure at all.

But usually you are allowed to outline your arguments in the first appeal brief. The arguments you set out delineate the borders of the appeal. However these borders are usually broad. E.g. you'd say that the proceedings were opened beyond the time limit. During the appeal hearings you can then present your case as to why you feel the proceedings were opened too late. Any evidence pertaining to this argument can be presented during the hearing. This would mean they can still use the document as long as they initially made the argument that the proceedings were opened too late.

This is, of course, only my experience in the Belgian legal system (which is likely to be similar to the Italian legal system however).

 

[DeviAngel]

Ok i understand it now, but isnt it too late anyway? The appeal was already made with arguments known before the reveal of this document - i guess they cant add new info to it now, so it wont contain any arguments based on this documents? dont think its coincidence that the TAR agrees to give to Juve at this very moment when they already sent the appeal, fuckers.

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its well explained here btw https://www.footitalia.com/tar-rules-in-favour-of-juventus-over-covisoc-paper/

Yeah but they needed like 5 hrs to punish us. I hear FIGC won't attend the hearing.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I expect chine to hand in his resignation that slimy prick

 

[juve123]

Obviously I'm not an Italian lawyer and I'm not familiar with this particular procedure at all.

But usually you are allowed to outline your arguments in the first appeal brief. The arguments you set out delineate the borders of the appeal. However these borders are usually broad. E.g. you'd say that the proceedings were opened beyond the time limit. During the appeal hearings you can then present your case as to why you feel the proceedings were opened too late. Any evidence pertaining to this argument can be presented during the hearing. This would mean they can still use the document as long as they initially made the argument that the proceedings were opened too late.

This is, of course, only my experience in the Belgian legal system (which is likely to be similar to the Italian legal system however).

Really does belgium courts also consider principles of transparency fairness and morality while handing out judicial sentences.

 

[swag]

Apparently the number of deactivations reached 700 000. It's millions of euros lost every month for DAZN. Apparently, DAZN is no longer interested in renewing the deal for TV rights and companies like RAI, Sky or Mediaset won't bid neither before the situation with Juve clears out.

Nice tar

 

[mondo1]

Apparently the number of deactivations reached 700 000. It's millions of euros lost every month for DAZN. Apparently, DAZN is no longer interested in renewing the deal for TV rights and companies like RAI, Sky or Mediaset won't bid neither before the situation with Juve clears out.

Nice thanks for the info !!!


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[Akshen]

btw Ziliani is already loosing his mind over this new TAR case, its a sign it really could be cancelled:

compares our case to Jack the ripper lol:



+ + + + + LATEST + + + + + THE TAR CONFIRMS #JUVENTUS ON THE COVISOC CARD: #GRAVINA CALL #CHINÈ AND CONGRATULATES ITSELF + + + + +


As you wanted to prove. #DeSiervo asks to cancel the -15 to #Juventus thus damaging the rights of the other 19 clubs of
@SerieA
, all on a war footing, assembly: and #Marotta , #Lotito and #Scaroni pass the line of "we loved it". Do you understand how it works? There is no hope

 

[s4tch]

why give any visibility to that clown tho

 

[Akshen]

why give any visibility to that clown tho

because he is so funny, he is Napoli fan, but 95 % of his "articles" are Juve related, he writes about everything Juve does, he definitely has an obsession on our club.
TBF i would love to see his meltdown, dunno about u guys.

 

[Valerio.]

because he is so funny, he is Napoli fan, but 95 % of his "articles" are Juve related, he writes about everything Juve does, he definitely has an obsession on our club.
TBF i would love to see his meltdown, dunno about u guys.

he is bitter cause back in the 2000 Montero banged his wife.
Since then he is a super anti-juventus.

 

[Akshen]

he is bitter cause back in the 2000 Montero banged his wife.
Since then he is a super anti-juventus.

I think this is just fake news, made by Juve fans to make fun of him though, or did Montero really had wild sex with his wife?

 

[Valerio.]

I think this is just fake news, made by Juve fans to make fun of him though, or did Montero really had wild sex with his wife?

Montero himself said it you can find some quotes from him on Twitter or so on from his real account.
It's a very well known fact. No myth.
He recounted how it happened

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