Betting ''scandal'' 2023 (5 Viewers)

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
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#41
it's one kid here and a few other players at other clubs

you're right, we lost leadership. but that's a separate issue. we've had players don't idiotic shit when we had actual leaders, multiple ones at that in our locker. remember vidal drunk driving, caceres fucking an underage girl? would you blame it on buffon and/or chiellini?

fagioli and his gambling has nothing to do with the state of the club imo. jj is in shambles, but similar stuff could and did happen already within a much stronger and serious organization
This is true but overall we have no leaders now.
 

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,298
#42
This is true but overall we have no leaders now.

One of our past and most Iconic of leaders in Buffon was involved in betting himself. Tho to lesser degree.

It's an addiction and a stupid one.


But it's curious to see and know what they bet on, it will be illegal regardless, but if they didn't even bet in football in some cases then punishment should be minor. And if they did, to be far away removed from their league and teams.


So far the speculation we gotten, only two have allegedly bet on their own teams and games. Zaniolo while on the bench for Roma in Cup game. And Zalewski allegedly betting on himself to get yellow card and getting it very end of game.


Thats spot fixing and very serious as fuck. Paqueta has been said to done similar thing for West Ham last season (him and a brazilian winger in real betis betting on themselves to get yellow cards multiple occasions etc), news broke around summer time.

But England unlike Italy don't revel in these scandals so since then it has been hush hush and quiet media wise. You will only get a peep out of it again after investigation and official ruling passes.


But in Italy everyone and their nonna will eat up the wild speculations of this hourly for weeks or months until this thing becomes larger than life.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
61,319
#43
One of our past and most Iconic of leaders in Buffon was involved in betting himself. Tho to lesser degree.

It's an addiction and a stupid one.


But it's curious to see and know what they bet on, it will be illegal regardless, but if they didn't even bet in football in some cases then punishment should be minor. And if they did, to be far away removed from their league and teams.


So far the speculation we gotten, only two have allegedly bet on their own teams and games. Zaniolo while on the bench for Roma in Cup game. And Zalewski allegedly betting on himself to get yellow card and getting it very end of game.


Thats spot fixing and very serious as fuck. Paqueta has been said to done similar thing for West Ham last season (him and a brazilian winger in real betis betting on themselves to get yellow cards multiple occasions etc), news broke around summer time.

But England unlike Italy don't revel in these scandals so since then it has been hush hush and quiet media wise. You will only get a peep out of it again after investigation and official ruling passes.


But in Italy everyone and their nonna will eat up the wild speculations of this hourly for weeks or months until this thing becomes larger than life.
England have learnt like any good business to protect their assets. In Italy they worry less about business and more about petty rivalries.


What did Toney get for betting? A year?
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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#44
One of our past and most Iconic of leaders in Buffon was involved in betting himself. Tho to lesser degree.

It's an addiction and a stupid one.
so many forget that and blame the fagioli situation on the club, the environment or even single out people like allegri or agnelli that it's ridiculous

anyone who actually met a few gamblers knows that it's a condition that its roots are not necessarily environmental. gamblers and other addicts are literally everywhere

fagioli and all gamblers are adults, they knew what they were getting into. they probably knew the risks too. they are idiots to start gambling and need help if they became addicts, end of story on an individual level

as for the italian football environment itself, it's so low level and full of diverse issues, let's not even start. one thing is sure, with gravina at the wheel, it can only get worse.
 
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MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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#45
No club has ever been able to control the lives of playees. Great players have had crazy lives and bad players have had crazy lives. Some get in real trouble and some don't. Some are too good for the laws to apply and some aren't.
 
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    No club has ever been able to control the lives of playees. Great players have had crazy lives and bad players have had crazy lives. Some get in real trouble and some don't. Some are too good for the laws to apply and some aren't.
    why can't they have coke problems like Maradona instead?
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
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    #47
    England have learnt like any good business to protect their assets. In Italy they worry less about business and more about petty rivalries.


    What did Toney get for betting? A year?

    Yeah they are PR bussiness savvy shrug it under the rug for now approach when it comes to sport scandals. It must be an anglo thing, because american sports similar, like 20 years ago, felt like a third of NHL players could be doped, international players went to NT duties and failed doping tests and left right. But NHL put a gag order on the whole thing and you barely heard a peep about it after lol. Similar with US athletics&track and field (insane levels of keeping doping on the DL). Media silence for ages until it was not possible to avoid it.


    Toney got 8 months for sports betting, he had like 230ish counts of sports/footie betting. Theres's gambling addiction then theirs Toney, he is in a league of his own.



    Its curious what Fagioli and the others bet on, if the media speculate 3 years ban for the offense. I have no idea about italian law tho for this, and how it compares to England.
     

    Hunchback

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    May 10, 2023
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    #48
    Regardless of the outcome of this case, the truth is that online betting has spread like a cancer and ruined whatever was left of sporting integrity in professional football.

    It's a purely entertainment business now, much like WWE. In that sense, one could argue that these addicts and frauds shouldn't even be punished. They're part of a larger farce.
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
    59,298
    #49
    Regardless of the outcome of this case, the truth is that online betting has spread like a cancer and ruined whatever was left of sporting integrity in professional football.

    It's a purely entertainment business now, much like WWE. In that sense, one could argue that these addicts and frauds shouldn't even be punished. They're part of a larger farce.

    If they are betting on football, they 100% should be punished (what the punishment should be is another matter, depends on nature of betting). Its way too close to home to bet on footie for players, the possibility of corrupt abuse, spot fixing or even match fixing is HUGE. So should have it remain a zero policy on betting on footie for sure. Been way too many actual corruption scandals in past to shrug it off as innocent.


    But if its betting on other sports or even non sports, they should like any other civilian for that.
     
    Jun 16, 2020
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    #52
    so many forget that and blame the fagioli situation on the club, the environment or even single out people like allegri or agnelli that it's ridiculous

    anyone who actually met a few gamblers knows that it's a condition that its roots are not necessarily environmental. gamblers and other addicts are literally everywhere

    fagioli and all gamblers are adults, they knew what they were getting into. they probably knew the risks too. they are idiots to start gambling and need help if they became addicts, end of story on an individual level

    as for the italian football environment itself, it's so low level and full of diverse issues, let's not even start. one thing is sure, with gravina at the wheel, it can only get worse.
    The gambling culture is also quite big in Italy.
     
    Apr 17, 2013
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    #53
    The biggest amount I have bet is 1,500 euros.


    It's true that it's a dose of adrenaline, pleasure to earn money so easily by doing nothing and incredible frustration when you lose. You want to play again when you lose and in the end you lose even more.

    When you get used to it, it's difficult to do without it and you can easily become addicted, luckily I had a friend who calmed me down. Now I bet 20 or 30 euros no more.
     

    BIG DADDY!!!

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    Mar 12, 2004
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    #54
    Bonucci and a member of the coaching staff were aware of Fagioli's gambling problem, which now places them at risk of involvement in the case.

    The Federal Prosecutor's Office is also gearing up for potential suspensions. It's not just those in the betting, but those aware may face repercussions. The chat records hint at the involvement of others, including two Juventus players.

    [@repubblica] #Juventus

    Two of Nicolò Fagioli's teammates at Juventus were betting alongside him. The two involved players are young and foreign.

    Fagioli, Tonali, and Zaniolo are the current focus of the ongoing investigations. Fagioli, the Juventus midfielder, aims for a plea agreement to potentially reduce his sentence from three years to just eighteen months. Negotiations are underway.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Fagioli's legal team is actively working on a plea agreement with the FIGC Prosecutor's Office. A potential 50% reduction in his sentence is on the horizon, with hopes of limiting it to a maximum of one year due to his extensive cooperation.

    Nicolò Fagioli is the key figure in the investigation and is ready to provide a detailed account of events, potentially involving colleagues.

    [@CorSport] #Juventus
     
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    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    #55
    Bonucci and a member of the coaching staff were aware of Fagioli's gambling problem, which now places them at risk of involvement in the case.

    The Federal Prosecutor's Office is also gearing up for potential suspensions. It's not just those in the betting, but those aware may face repercussions. The chat records hint at the involvement of others, including two Juventus players.

    [@repubblica] #Juventus

    Two of Nicolò Fagioli's teammates at Juventus were betting alongside him. The two involved players are young and foreign.

    Fagioli, Tonali, and Zaniolo are the current focus of the ongoing investigations. Fagioli, the Juventus midfielder, aims for a plea agreement to potentially reduce his sentence from three years to just eighteen months. Negotiations are underway.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Fagioli's legal team is actively working on a plea agreement with the FIGC Prosecutor's Office. A potential 50% reduction in his sentence is on the horizon, with hopes of limiting it to a maximum of one year due to his extensive cooperation.

    Nicolò Fagioli is the key figure in the investigation and is ready to provide a detailed account of events, potentially involving colleagues.

    [@CorSport] #Juventus
    Don't tell me fagioli gonna spill the fagioli
     

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