Benazir Bhutto Assasinated (1 Viewer)

[AngelaL]

RIP
she should've stayed out of pakistan, they gon blame this on al quaeda but i think the government did this

Save the tears people. RIP to her death but she was no saint nor was her father. To say her name and democracy in the same sentence is a joke. She and Nawaz Sharif did nothing but rob Pakistan for years.

Of course she wasn't a saint. NO Politician is!

However, she was voted into office twice, that counts for something, surely? If she was really bad the people wouldn't have voted her in a second time.

then how come more women in islamic nations are not major active players in the political game and as public as she was? c'mon tahir, don't tell me that the way islamic countries are run that women are still forbidden or kept from delving into politics amongst other things..

Unfortunately, some places are! It would be very sad to see that happen in Pakistan, though.

i think accomplishing what she did as a woman in the environment she was in was more than a personal achievement. it was a benchmark for women around the world rather.

It's not just her death that makes me fear for Pakistan. There was another politician killed just weeks before. This is why I think it was a "Govenment" plot to stop their rivals from being voted into power. This is usually the behaviour of a despot, who is intent on dictatorship.

Democratic voting systems are not a "Western evil" These systems empower the people of the country and usually prevent someone from holding the reins of power for too long. They give the people the power to vote them out and elect new leaders. Sadly the violence in Pakistan is eroding the people of Pakistan's right to choose their leader(s).

 

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[Zé Tahir]

no offense but thats really not saying much

No offense but you're not saying much other than that you beat off to her either.

then how come more women in islamic nations are not major active players in the political game and as public as she was? c'mon tahir, don't tell me that the way islamic countries are run that women are still forbidden or kept from delving into politics amongst other things.

I'm not a representative of these so called "Islamic" nations. I speak only for Pakistan, and I know there are several women involved in politics. Bhutto had her fathers legacy to help her, that's all. Why don't you speak for your Hindu nation, who has been a leader other than Sonia Ghandi? Yea..exactly.

i think accomplishing what she did as a woman in the environment she was in was more than a personal achievement. it was a benchmark for women around the world rather.

edit: Sure, I never denied that.

 

[Vinman]

RIP
she should've stayed out of pakistan, they gon blame this on al quaeda but i think the government did this

no...of course it couldnt be Al Qaeda, they would never kill anyone that stands against terrorism......especially a woman :rolleyes2

She was a liberal non militaristic leader, she had my vote.

says he who posts pictures of himself with AK-47's and other firearms

 

[Zé Tahir]

Of course she wasn't a saint. NO Politician is!

However, she was voted into office twice, that counts for something, surely? If she was really bad the people wouldn't have voted her in a second time.



Unfortunately, some places are! It would be very sad to see that happen in Pakistan, though.





It's not just her death that makes me fear for Pakistan. There was another politician killed just weeks before. This is why I think it was a "Govenment" plot to stop their rivals from being voted into power. This is usually the behaviour of a despot, who is intent on dictatorship.

Democratic voting systems are not a "Western evil" These systems empower the people of the country and usually prevent someone from holding the reins of power for too long. They give the people the power to vote them out and elect new leaders. Sadly the violence in Pakistan is eroding the people of Pakistan's right to choose their leader(s).

What do you know about her??


People, I'm not trying to say not to mourn her death, not at all. She didn't deserve any of this, may she rest in peace.


However, do not make her out to be a sacrificial lamb to democracy. This is the same lady who had her very own brother killed in order to be the leader of her own party and to eventually become the leader of Pakistan.

So what if she was elected twice? So was Bush...is that an indication of great leadership?

 

[.zero]

No offense but you're not saying much other than that you beat off to her either.

oh ya my bad tahir, musharaff harbors terrorists amongst all the other great things he has apparently done for pakistan....

gimme a break

I'm not a representative of these so called "Islamic" nations. I speak only for Pakistan, and I know there are several women involved in politics. Bhutto had her fathers legacy to help her, that's all. Why don't you speak for your Hindu nation, who has been a leader other than Sonia Ghandi? Yea..exactly.

why do you change the environment from an islamic nation to a non?? you know that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

notice how every response you have given to me has been with tart while i've been easy about it man. there is no way to have a convo with you when all you do is snap back like a punk. we all get it that you dont like her, thats fine, but dont bleed on the rest of us who actually do admire and respect her.

i hope everything works out for you and musharaff, since according to you he is the best thing thats ever happened to pakistan

 

[HelterSkelter]

I dont dont know if its right but i was reading something about bhutto,

it said:

in cold war when afghanistan was under control of USSR some afghan groups tried to reach independence from USSR.sinc US was against USSR they helped these groups with money,weapons and also they improve they war tactics and taught them other thing about war.
on of the main groups was alghaede.which finally won the war against USSR.

the conection between afghanistan and US was pakistan.
and thats when bhutto had the power in pakistan.
and US was helpin Alghaede via pakistan and bhutto.

is that right ?!

the article continued about how after independece taliban and alghaede got the power in afghanistan and tried to continue their jihad !!(i shouldnt call that jihad anyway !! maybe i call it a plan of some sick people !) then turn against the US and their people as the west devils !( USSR was the east one !)

its says as bhutto was one of the US player in asia,maybe it was alghaede who killed her.

i dont realy know ! its just an theory ! dont blame me if its bullshit

Thats pretty correct.Even now,during her rallies,interviews etc,she had stated that she would fight extremism.

A question. Was she Sunni or Shi3a?

She was a Shia.I dont think that had anything to do with this however.The majority of Pakistanis are Sunnis,but then again,her father remains the most popular leader we ever had.So i dont think her family being Shias had anything to do with this.

can't say i know much about pakistans politics and history, at leats not enough to give an evaluation of what this means. however this will be portrayed in western media(specifically america) in a terrible light, whether it was al-queda or infact Musharraf it will be made out to look like terrorists and despots run amock in "the muslim world" thus justifying america,britain,etc attempting to gain more infuence in the region

Pakistan officially announced that it was al-guede.

Surprise Surprise.

I'm not a representative of these so called "Islamic" nations. I speak only for Pakistan, and I know there are several women involved in politics. Bhutto had her fathers legacy to help her, that's all. .
.

Actually no.There are women involved in politics,but none of them are major players in this field as far as Pakistan is concerned.Benazir was the sole representative of women in frontline Pakistani politics by a mile.Her kids or her sister might get into politics now,but im pretty sure they'd never be able to enjoy the same backing of the people the way Benazir or her father did.

However, do not make her out to be a sacrificial lamb to democracy. This is the same lady who had her very own brother killed in order to be the leader of her own party and to eventually become the leader of Pakistan.

So what if she was elected twice? So was Bush...is that an indication of great leadership?

Where did you read the bold bit?Benazir was already the leader of her party,and the prime minister of Pakistan when her 2nd brother was killed in 1996,so there was no need for her to 'become the leader of her party'.Her brother was never a major political player either.It was Benazir who carried her father's torch,not her brother.And she wasnt even involved in politics when her first brother was assasinated in 1985.I live in Pakistan,i hear stuff,i read stuff,and ive never come across this,even as a rumour.People blame Benazir's husband for her 2nd brother's assasination,but no one has ever pointed a finger at Benazir herself.Benazir and her brother were political opponents,but its pretty far fetched to say that she would have orhestrated her own sibling's death.

Her being elected twice does not indicate that she was a great leader,but it does indicate that she enjoyed massive support in the country.

 

[Zé Tahir]

edit: I feel bad discussing this in this thread, if anyone wants to discuss anything with me, just pm me or open a new thread.

 

[Alen]

edit: I feel bad discussing this in this thread, if anyone wants to discuss anything with me, just pm me or open a new thread.

Choudhary Rahmat Ali was your great great grandfather ? :google:

 

[Zé Tahir]

Choudhary Rahmat Ali was your great great grandfather ? :google:

No lol, you won't see his name mentioned anywhere along with Pakistan because of reasons mentioned earlier.

edit: I mean great grandfather earlier, the extra great was by mistake

 

[Alen]

No lol, you won't see his name mentioned anywhere along with Pakistan because of reasons mentioned earlier.

Pffff, what a shame.
It would have been so cool to have the great grandson of a famous person in this forum.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

says he who posts pictures of himself with AK-47's and other firearms

HEY!

I like weapons...

 

[Ibrahimovic9]

no...of course it couldnt be Al Qaeda, they would never kill anyone that stands against terrorism......especially a woman :rolleyes2

Ur brainwashed, everythin that happens in the world is blamed on al qaeda, they dont do 80% of those acts they're accused of, they are not that powerful, turn to CNN, they are talkin about how pakistan is tryin to cover this up

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Ur brainwashed, everythin that happens in the world is blamed on al qaeda, they dont do 80% of those acts they're accused of, they are not that powerful, turn to CNN, they are talkin about how pakistan is tryin to cover this up

Turn on Playboy, they are covering up a girls face with semen.

 

[Enron]

Ur brainwashed, everythin that happens in the world is blamed on al qaeda, they dont do 80% of those acts they're accused of, they are not that powerful, turn to CNN, they are talkin about how pakistan is tryin to cover this up

Al Qaeda is to blame for everything in the world that is bad. What they stand for and what they are an example of is a terrible thing. The fact that they are the most well known terrorist group in the world means that they are the poster kids for terrorism. The worst part is their promotion of violence leads to other groups blowing people away. I say fuck Al Qaeda, fuck religious extremism of any kind, and fuck cowardly suicide bombers. Taking innocent life to "promote a cause" or make a statement is in not acceptable.

 

[The Arif]

Rest in Peace..

 

[Vinman]

Ur brainwashed, everythin that happens in the world is blamed on al qaeda, they dont do 80% of those acts they're accused of, they are not that powerful, turn to CNN, they are talkin about how pakistan is tryin to cover this up

oh and CNN hasnt brainwashed you ??

80% huh ?? I'm sure you have evidence to back up those claims, or should we discount the numerous admissions of guilt and videos they flaunt for the world to see....but you obviously know differently, so lets just listen to you :melayyanandmessi:

 

[K0STA]

Unbeliavable things are happening in some countries!
pretty shameful, I think it'll take centuries for Pakistan to recover from this;

 

[HelterSkelter]

Choudhary Rahmat Ali was your great great grandfather ? :google:

I wasnt expecting many to know who Rahmat Ali was.So you knowing about him surprised me,pleasently..Have you read the Sub continent's history or did you just google it up?

Al Qaeda is to blame for everything in the world that is bad. What they stand for and what they are an example of is a terrible thing. The fact that they are the most well known terrorist group in the world means that they are the poster kids for terrorism. The worst part is their promotion of violence leads to other groups blowing people away. I say fuck Al Qaeda, fuck religious extremism of any kind, and fuck cowardly suicide bombers. Taking innocent life to "promote a cause" or make a statement is in not acceptable.

That is true.Yesterday it was reported that she was killed because of gun shots alone,and later the same doctor who made that statement changed his stance and said that it was the bomb blast that killed her.There are conflicting reports over wether gun shots were fired at her or not,which has lead me to change my initial opinion too.I think its an inside job.I dont think Musharraf was involved.I think it was political rival who wanted her out of the way before the elections.But now the Government is trying to avoid further chaos by blaming it on Al Qaeda,which is always the easiest thing to do.

Unbeliavable things are happening in some countries!
pretty shameful, I think it'll take centuries for Pakistan to recover from this;

People like you shouldnt be allowed to think.

 

[Vinman]

there is no doubt in my mind now that Musharraf is allied with Al Qaeda

nice of him to pretend that he is allied with the USA, only to take our money, while he lets the Taliban and Al Qaeda operate freely in Pakistan

 

[HelterSkelter]

there is no doubt in my mind now that Musharraf is allied with Al Qaeda
nice of him to pretend that he is allied with the USA, only to take our money, while he lets the Taliban and Al Qaeda operate freely in Pakistan

Musharaff should be a pretty good actor too.To stage all those attempts on his life while being an Al Qaeda buddy